Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Edge]

Re: the concept of Chytil growing into a second line role, that's fine. But that doesn't have to mean we avoid pursuing other centers.

Let's say it happens. Let's say two years from now Chytil is indeed a second line center. Then we make a decision as to whether we want to trade an older option. It's not the end of the world.

But personally I don't think the Rangers are just going to sit around and wait for those things to happen, or even count on them happening. If they have a chance to improve the roster, and prospect development goes their way, they'll make that decision down the line.

Just like they've had to in goal, like they'e done and will do again at RD, just like they will at LD, and maybe like they'll have to do at LW and Center someday.

But shit changes. Three years later we're still sorting through what we have and don't have with Chytil, Andersson and Howden. There will be things to sort through three years from now as well.

 

[rangers1314]

Whats peoples thoughts on Zadorov as a possible target?

 

[RGY]

I would prefer Lindholm as well. But that might not be something Calgary is willing to do.

As would I. And what people dont seem to get is if Lindholm isnt available Gorton isnt just going to close up shop. He is going to try and continue to find ways to improve the team. Monahan is 25 years old. He has had a good amount of success thus far in his career relative to his age. His cap hit is $6.35 AAV for the next 3 seasons. That is a tolerable cap hit for a guy who can absolutely put up 70-80 points playing with Panarin. He is 6’2”. He isnt a smallish center. I just think Gorton/JD see this as a big upgrade during the next 3 years of Lafreniere’s ELC deal. The team does get better. He may not be the exact type of center we are looking for, one that can provide quality defensive play too, but we may be looking forever if we try to find the perfect 2C, the perfect top 4 LD, the perfect bottom 6 depth.

 

[bl02]

Not major news, but on 31T Elliotte mentions that he believes NYR called on Danault

They are gonna want Buch plus back. I know Danault is a nice player and very responsible defensively but would very careful and weight out other options.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Whats peoples thoughts on Zadorov as a possible target?

He stinks

 

[Leetch3]

Re: the concept of Chytil growing into a second line role, that's fine. But that doesn't have to mean we avoid pursuing other centers.

Let's say it happens. Let's say two years from now Chytil is indeed a second line center. Then we make a decision as to whether we want to trade an older option. It's not the end of the world.

But personally I don't think the Rangers are just going to sit around and wait for those things to happen, or even count on them happening. If they have a chance to improve the roster, and prospect development goes their way, they'll make that decision down the line.

Just like they've had to in goal, like they'e done and will do again at RD, just like they will at LD, and maybe like they'll have to do at LW and Center someday.

But shit changes. Three years later we're still sorting through what we have and don't have with Chytil, Andersson and Howden. There will be things to sort through three years from now as well.

having too many good players at a position is rarely a bad thing...

 

[bobbop]

Heard from a friend...teams looking for an RHD who can move the puck are looking hard at DeAngelo and Dumba. Both of their teams are playing hard to get but they are in competition for with the same potential buyers.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

So what Gorton and Calgary have been talking Lindholm for weeks and whoever is running Calgary finally realized it would be dumb to trade Lindholm and told Gorton “how about Sean Monahan, who we don’t want anymore”

Something tells me they weren't ever.

 

[bobbop]

Too much to be on Rangers third pairing.

Dillon wouldn’t be on the Rangers third pairing.

 

[Ghost of jas]

having too many good players at a position is rarely a bad thing...

As long as you take advantage of it.

 

[bl02]

Whats peoples thoughts on Zadorov as a possible target?

depends on price. I would rather check out other options.

 

[nyrage]

This Calgary potential deal doesn't excite me. I would rather use our trade assets used for a more 2-way center, but who knows what's available. Our forwards are horrific defensively as is. I don't think Monahan helps that. It certainly won't make us harder to play against as seems to be Management's rallying cry since the play-in exit.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'm not going to get upset or react because this stuff is mostly speculation and putting pieces together. But I'm not a fan of moving Buchnevich in the Calgary deal if we aren't getting our main target. If Calgary is uncomfortable moving Lindholm, fine. But we should be uncomfortable with moving Buch. He will go there and mimic Lindholm's first season in Calgary. He is developing his game from perimeter to NHL style down low and inside performance. He will be effective in the playoffs, and he will be a possession positive guy. There is a reason Calgary is trading good players, and it's the same reason they are sniffing around our sandpaper types.

I've accepted ADA being the piece we use to address needs like 6 months ago. I just have a hard time moving our only established top 6 right wing, that has a game built for the post season. If Calgary is balking on our target, maybe we need to withhold the piece they have zeroed in on for a while.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Heard from a friend...teams looking for an RHD who can move the puck are looking hard at DeAngelo and Dumba. Both of their teams teams are playing hard to get but they are in competition for with the same potential buyers.

Calgary Vegas Anaheim?

 

[Savant]

Dillon wouldn’t be on the Rangers third pairing.

Are we sure he is a fit with Trouba?

especially if he will cost a pretty penny.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm not going to get upset or react because this stuff is mostly speculation and putting pieces together. But I'm not a fan of moving Buchnevich in the Calgary deal if we aren't getting our main target. If Calgary is uncomfortable moving Lindholm, fine. But we should be uncomfortable with moving Buch. He will go there and mimic Lindholm's first season in Calgary. He is developing his game from perimeter to NHL style down low and inside performance. He will be effective in the playoffs, and he will be a possession positive guy. There is a reason Calgary is trading good players, and it's the same reason they are sniffing around our sandpaper types.

I've accepted ADA being the piece we use to address needs like 6 months ago. I just have a hard time moving our only established top 6 right wing, that has a game built for the post season. If Calgary is balking on our target, maybe we need to withhold the piece they have zeroed in on for a while.

What if the Rangers still like Monahan a lot even if they prefer Lindholm? Perhaps they see both of them as quality targets.

 

[Edge]

As would I. And what people dont seem to get is if Lindholm isnt available Gorton isnt just going to close up shop. He is going to try and continue to find ways to improve the team. Monahan is 25 years old. He has had a good amount of success thus far in his career relative to his age. His cap hit is $6.35 AAV for the next 3 seasons. That is a tolerable cap hit for a guy who can absolutely put up 70-80 points playing with Panarin. He is 6’2”. He isnt a smallish center. I just think Gorton/JD see this as a big upgrade during the next 3 years of Lafreniere’s ELC deal. The team does get better. He may not be the exact type of center we are looking for, one that can provide quality defensive play too, but we may be looking forever if we try to find the perfect 2C, the perfect top 4 LD, the perfect bottom 6 depth.

Whatever NHL player we bring in is going to have flaws.

And even blue chip prospects like Kakko and Lafreniere, are going to have flaws (the less, the better).

But everything we do is going to come with a risk factor. And simply waiting on every prospect to make it isn't going to be an option for the Rangers. It simply isn't.

We could go round and round in our heads about this and provide mental comfort however we want.

Let's pretend for a minute that ADA is on the Flames roster, and Monahan is on ours. If the shoe was on the other foot, we probably wouldn't want to trade for ADA.

We'd see posts about not needing a RD, not seeing a huge improvement over what we have in Fox, wanting to wait and see what we had in Lundkvist, not being solid on Chytil as a center to replace Monahan's established production, etc., etc.

I mean at some point, I honestly think that the fear of being "wrong" about something can't be the primary motivator for inaction.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Are we sure he is a fit with Trouba?

especially if he will cost a pretty penny.

Lindgren-Trouba
Dillon-Fox

there

 

[RGY]

Buch, Andersson, Hajek

for

Monahan


Deangelo +

for

Krebs/Glass and Tuch


Strome

for

Futures

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Buch, Andersson, Hajek

for

Monahan


Deangelo +

for

Krebs/Glass and Tuch


Strome

for

Futures

So what do we do when Dillon resigns with the Caps?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I like monahan more...he’s bigger, gets more offense at even strength, and plays more at the net.
I’m a fan.

Yeah Monahan is a good complement to Zibanejad. People poo poo the fact that he scores a lot around the net, well that’s been a major weakness for us , getting those dirty goals in close.

However, I have a hard time seeing Calgary trade him without getting another center in return. Without Monahan they have easily the worst center depth in the league.
I see them trading Gaudreau instead.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah Monahan is a good complement to Zibanejad. People poo poo the fact that he scores a lot around the net, well that’s been a major weakness for us , getting those dirty goals in close.

However, I have a hard time seeing Calgary trade him without getting another center in return. Without Monahan they have easily the worst center depth in the league.
I see them trading Gaudreau instead.

They likely move Lindholm back to center.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Not major news, but on 31T Elliotte mentions that he believes NYR called on Danault

This is the guy.

 

[RGY]

Whatever NHL player we bring in is going to have flaws.

And even blue chip prospects like Kakko and Lafreniere, are going to have flaws (the less, the better).

But everything we do is going to come with a risk factor. And simply waiting on every prospect to make it isn't going to be an option for the Rangers. It simply isn't.

We could go round and round in our heads about this and provide mental comfort however we want.

Let's pretend for a minute that ADA is on the Flames roster, and Monahan is on ours. If the shoe was on the other foot, we probably wouldn't want to trade for ADA.

We'd see posts about not needing a RD, not seeing a huge improvement over what we have in Fox, wanting to wait and see what we had in Lundkvist, not being solid on Chytil as a center to replace Monahan's established production, etc., etc.

I mean at some point, I honestly think that the fear of being "wrong" about something can't be the primary motivator for inaction.

I know as fans we want to “win” every trade, but that just isn’t realistic. I mean sure, Gorton has done very well in this department and has probably an enhanced that expectation, but we should temper that as being the norm.

And not every trade is about winning it or getting perfect fair value. As you said the player we acquire might have some flaws. But it comes down to a question of need. Does that player make us better today than yesterday. Does that player fill a need. We do not have a true 2C. I am sorry but Chytil is not it. Contrary to what some believe, or want to believe, we do not know what we have in Chytil. Or Howden, who some thought he was great in the Carolina series, while I thought it was more of the same. These guys are inept on the faceoff dot. They lack reliable center qualities. They both may be better served on the wings. We cannot go through another season of forcing a player into the Center role, especially not on a line with Panarin. Because thats what we did with Strome, and his defensive shortcomings were even more exposed there than had he been on the Wing with less responsibilities.

Yes it really comes down to what the ultimate trade would be, but Gorton is not going to sit idle. He and JD want to take steps forward. And they are being pushed to make those steps because they have key components with RFA status right now as opposed to next year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

How do we rob Montreal this time?

Buchnevich and a 3rd for Danault and the 16th pick?