Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[UAGoalieGuy]

Yes, if Ottawa offered something like the #3, #5 and Tkachuk or #3, #5, unprotected 2021 & 2022 #1 i don't see how the Rangers could turn that down.

That said the Ottawa GM should be fired if he even tried to make a trade like that.

 

[Leetch3]

Yup. And if OTT were to show up on draft day and say “fine, 3 + 5 + Tkachuk” or whatever, they’d just tweet the staring eyes emoji and have new graphics up within the hour.

yeah I think that the ONLY scenario the pick gets moved is if the deal is such a no brainer overpayment that they can easily sell that trade as well...the average fan has no idea who alexis lafreniere is and if you came away with 3 top young players instead you could easily sell that.

imo we aren't trading the pick cause no team will offer a package crazy enough to make us trade it....but the pr spin isn't a factor

 

[Edge]

I guess it would depend on the pick, no? You could argue that nobody would blink an eye if the draft was live in Montreal (pandemic aside) and they dealt a mid-rounder or another pick in a trade to try and make a splash. Understandable and does happen.
But do you think if Montreal landed 1OA and a chance to draft a local like Lafreniere in their own backyard that they would honestly entertain a trade? Guess if Bergevin had some time to kill and wanted a laugh or two but they wouldn't dare move that pick.
Not saying it shouldn't be discussed but c'mon, does anybody seriously think the Rangers are trading 1OA?

Yes, there are certainly extreme examples or outliers, but for the most part they operate fairly indepedently.

Having said that, assuming the Rangers keep the pick, there's really very little doubt they are going with Lafreniere.

 

[Leetch3]

Its why every team's fan base with the 1st overall pretends it might be available... fixed it for you, lol.

fans are behind all the crazy rumors...but very rarely do teams say there is no chance they will move the pick. even though they have zero intention to trade it, they leave the window open for other teams to make them an insane offer that they can't refuse.

 

[Leetch3]

Yes, if Ottawa offered something like the #3, #5 and Tkachuk or #3, #5, unprotected 2021 & 2022 #1 i don't see how the Rangers could turn that down.

That said the Ottawa GM should be fired if he even tried to make a trade like that.

GM would just have to pitch it to the owner that now he only has to pay 1 guy instead of 3-4 and he'd get a contract extension

 

[charliemurphy]

Yes, if Ottawa offered something like the #3, #5 and Tkachuk or #3, #5, unprotected 2021 & 2022 #1 i don't see how the Rangers could turn that down.

That said the Ottawa GM should be fired if he even tried to make a trade like that.

But that's just it. Does anybody genuinely see an offer like that happening?
Rather this conversation steer towards what they could do with their other picks/players to move up/trade. Despite being 1 of 6 teams with 10 picks in this draft, we don't have any 2nd round picks. For some strange reason I have more faith in Gorton making something happen on that front then entertaining any trade for 1OA.

 

[Edge]

Its why every team's fan base with the 1st overall pretends it might be available... fixed it for you, lol.

Here's the thing, the Rangers haven't hung up the phone on any nibbles.

Granted they'd have to be blown away and the odds of that happening are very small, but if LA or Ottawa or someone else calls them tonight, it's not an automatic "no deal."

And that's straight from people pretty close to the situation.

But again, no one should be betting the rent money on the pick being moved.

 

[Krams]

Here's the thing, the Rangers haven't hung up the phone on any nibbles.

Granted they'd have to be blown away and the odds of that happening are very small, but if LA or Ottawa or someone else calls them tonight, it's not an automatic "no deal."

And that's straight from people pretty close to the situation.

But again, no one should be betting the rent money on the pick being moved.

Is Buffalo still in contact with them regarding the 1st?

 

[Leetch3]

Here's the thing, the Rangers haven't hung up the phone on any nibbles.

Granted they'd have to be blown away and the odds of that happening are very small, but if LA or Ottawa or someone else calls them tonight, it's not an automatic "no deal."

And that's straight from people pretty close to the situation.

But again, no one should be betting the rent money on the pick being moved.

and that shouldn't be surprising...JG isn't doing his job if he doesn't listen to phone calls and weight the value of the offers. taking calls doesn't mean you are shopping the pick. but its a situation where the rangers have nothing to lose by listening. they can only win if the other team makes some insane offer.

 

[Vitto79]

So....is Hank a Ranger by sundown?

Probably drag it on till the 2nd buyout window .... should see what happens in the G market

I prefer a 50 off trade

 

[NYSPORTS]

Here's the thing, the Rangers haven't hung up the phone on any nibbles.

Granted they'd have to be blown away and the odds of that happening are very small, but if LA or Ottawa or someone else calls them tonight, it's not an automatic "no deal."

And that's straight from people pretty close to the situation.

But again, no one should be betting the rent money on the pick being moved.

i think the odds on the Rangers moving the pick are as likely as the Rangers trading Panarin this offseason.

 

[charliemurphy]

Here's the thing, the Rangers haven't hung up the phone on any nibbles.

Granted they'd have to be blown away and the odds of that happening are very small, but if LA or Ottawa or someone else calls them tonight, it's not an automatic "no deal."

And that's straight from people pretty close to the situation.

But again, no one should be betting the rent money on the pick being moved.

I totally get it. Due diligence and common professionalism among GMs would compel Gorton to listen but I think that's where it ends when it comes to landing Lafreniere. Gorton has a pretty good poker face. I'm pretty sure he was holding himself back from doing back flips when that ball popped up, lol. Its just not happening.

 

[True Blue]

IDK but you cannot commit 4 years with this cap at $5 million IMO. I can’t see the Rangers locking up the 2nd line center with this cap and with a Howden, who knows if Laf gets a shot at center, Krazkov, Hendrickson, Barron, etc all in the pipeline. I wouldn’t lock up center before knowing what i have and i don’t see Strome part of the core i want long term.

2 years, maybe. If he’s the answer, resign him. No way i give him 4 right now.

That is your view and the view of others as well. My view is that 2-4 years at $5m is smart business.

Then you completely loose me. You would not sign Strome to 4 years because you have no idea about Howden? Am sure that in the next 4 years, he will not touch Strome offensively. At least based on what has been shown. Actually, if he does not step up, he will not be here.

They are not moving the first overall pick to a new position. So no idea of where that is coming from.

Kravstov is no center either. And has not played one second of NHL time. Hendrisson? Barron? Come one now. These are not reasons as to deciding between 2-4 years.

 

[kovazub94]

Thank you. Indeed. He’s a third liner. And a good one. But will probably - and more power to him - get paid as a second liner which the Rangers just can’t afford.

He's a second liner with Panarin but this is not the point. We were discussing a risk of having him signed for the 2nd year.

Can't read into his mind but let's assume he's willing to stay in a good situation for one extra year to continue to build up his open market value. What's the risk for the Rangers having him for this second year at $5m? Let's even assume that in the upcoming year or a year after Chytil overtakes him as 2C and Strome turns into pumpkin. But what kind of pumpkin? Based on what we saw in 2019 he should be a pretty good 3rd liner with right partners. Then won't he be a pretty good pumpkin if instead of playing with Names and Fast in two years he'd get to play with Howden and Kravtsov? Even from the cap perspective the average cost of that 3rd line would be more than acceptable.

 

[True Blue]

Its questionable because youre projecting a partial season out to a full season for a player who actually played a full season. Youre cherry-picking.

If NYR re-signs Strome, they're signing a player with a known playing history of seven seasons.
Strome, Strome's agent, and I guess you will argue that all those other seasons dont matter, that the only games that Strome ever played that matter are the last 70 (also not counting the play-in, where he disappeared). But that's a laughable position. Its not good business to gamble that a player as inconsistent as Strome is will suddenly and inexplicably stop being inconsistent.

Fine. Ok. You are right. Let's not focus on theoretical or guessing. Let's just focus on the tangibles. 133 games as a Rangers. 92 points. That's .69 points per game or essentially 57 points in a year. Does not get much more tangible than that. So now, you are going to try to come up with an argument about signing a player who gives you top line production to a contract that will be for a second line player? Remember, we are dealing with tangibles now.

 

[True Blue]

As long as Strome is here, he's going to be blocking Chytil (because unlike Chytil, Strome only works in the top 6).

He is not blocking a 20 year old. He is playing very well with the top player while said 20 year old gets experience and playing time that we hope will allow for him to take that next step. So far, he has shown nothing that would indicate he is ready.

And the others have not played a second in the NHL. So again, not sure who is being blocked. Strome can also slide to wing if necessary.

 

[Avery16]

Fine. Ok. You are right. Let's not focus on theocraticals or guessing. Let's just focus on the tangibles. 133 games as a Rangers. 92 points. That's .69 points per game or essentially 57 points in a year. Does not get much more tangible than that. So now, you are going to try to come up with an argument about signing a player who gives you top line production to a contract that will be for a second line player? Remember, we are dealing with tangibles now.

Holy shit what does “top line production” mean to you because it isn’t 57 points, that’s barely second line production.

 

[True Blue]

This is my issue with Strome. I like him a lot at $3m. But at $5m-or-more he has to be in the top six. And Strome to me is not a top sixer on a championship team.

That is a fair way to look at it. That said, who are you bringing in for less than that to be the 2C here? The team will be looking to contend. Chytil has not shown that he is ready, and who can blame him given that he is only 20? So what cheaper second line center is coming here as a UFA and for how many years?

 

[True Blue]

Holy shit what does top line production mean to you because it isn’t 57 points, that’s barely second line production.

This again? Check the stats for top players. I considering how many lines in the NHL are and how many players score 50 or more points, that is top line production. That is an immutable fact. You can scream, pout and stick your head in the sand all you want. But that is still top line production. We can debate where on the bell curve that is, sure. But there is no denying that is top line production.

And this is not to be rude, but if you feel that 57 points is "barely" second line production, then you are just illuminating the board with your sheer ignorance.

 

[Raspewtin]

He is not blocking a 20 year old. He is playing very well with the top player while said 20 year old gets experience and playing time that we hope will allow for him to take that next step. So far, he has shown nothing that would indicate he is ready.

And the others have not played a second in the NHL. So again, not sure who is being blocked. Strome can also slide to wing if necessary.

Strome may not be blocking Chytil but if Chytil has to babysit non NHL'ers while Strome is glued to top 6 players, it may as well be.

And I disagree with the idea that Chytil has to prove more because he quite literally dragged Kakko, Howden, PdG, and Lemieux around the ice kicking and screaming all year while he had excellent results with top 6 players that he rarely got ice time with.

Like I said I do not think Strome is "blocking" Chytil but in some ways that don't have anything to do with Strome, he is.

 

[Raspewtin]

Holy shit what does “top line production” mean to you because it isn’t 57 points, that’s barely second line production.

57 points put Strome at 43rd in the league among 321 players with at least 50 games played lol come on now.

I hate the idea that a number is 1st or 2nd line production because it ignores other contributions but that number is at least excellent second line production and I am not what you'd call a R. Strome fan.

 

[Edge]

i think the odds on the Rangers moving the pick are as likely as the Rangers trading Panarin this offseason.

I think about 10 percent is the range I would give it.

It's not the panic-inducing number some seem to think it is, nor the closed-door certainty others think it is.

 

[Edge]

Is Buffalo still in contact with them regarding the 1st?

Nothing lately.

But I think the expectation is that any calls, regarding anyone, typically pick up after the finals.

 

[Anthony5967]

The Danault obsession is real

 

[NYSPORTS]

That is your view and the view of others as well. My view is that 2-4 years at $5m is smart business.

Then you completely loose me. You would not sign Strome to 4 years because you have no idea about Howden? Am sure that in the next 4 years, he will not touch Strome offensively. At least based on what has been shown. Actually, if he does not step up, he will not be here.

They are not moving the first overall pick to a new position. So no idea of where that is coming from.

Kravstov is no center either. And has not played one second of NHL time. Hendrisson? Barron? Come one now. These are not reasons as to deciding between 2-4 years.

no, i said the Cap and listed multiple players including Howden. We have no idea what this market is or where it is going. $5 million might be way too much. I’m no fan nor do i see any reason for four years.