Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[bl02]

Danault could 100% be a 2C on a winning team. Look at the 2nd line centers for the Blackhawks during their run.

I wouldn't get to wrapped up in numbers, 1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line, it doesn't really matter. Guys will get their minutes as they see fit. Danault checks a ton of boxes for areas that we suck in. Thats really what we should be focusing on.

Going from Strome to Danault would be a massive upgrade. Losing the 22 OA would be less than ideal (and honestly, Buch+22 is probably an overpayment unless Danault is coming with an extension) but look at it this way, even if what K27 proposed went through, you'd get back some value for Strome as well.

It doesn't have to be Danault and it doesn't need to be fixed now (As long as they take care of LD), but Strome is not a long term answer here. Hes contributed more than I could have hoped for but I know fools gold when I see it.

overall Danault definitely upgrade over strome even if he won’t put up stromes numbers (winning hockey is not all about numbers I know). Will be interesting to see what we would get for Strome. If we can get nearly back the value we are giving up for Danault then it’s a no brainer.
Also worth noting that Montreal seems more interested in trading domi with Julien at the helm. Who knows maybe they trade both but I doubt it

 

[Kovalev27]

I’ll also reiterate again I don’t want to spend any money on a 2C and the reasons I wouldn’t trade for Danault I’ve already said them so no reason to tell me the reasons why we shouldn’t do it. I’m just saying I very much see the fit and the reasons why they would want him. He’s a guy you win with. You put him right behind Mika and he’s a tremendous fit.

to talk about him like he’s not one of the best 2 way guys in the league is just not accurate. Every metric suggests it.

 

[egelband]

I really don't think it's a cap issue. It's just a situation the Rangers seem to want to avoid. Hank doesn't seem like the type to be content being the #2 and maybe the higher-ups don't want Hank looming behind Igor as he takes over the job.

That would be an even worse reason to lose ADA, if you ask me.

 

[bl02]

No, no he is not.

Sure, he is defensively sound and won’t hurt you. But this isn’t a premium center that you give up an equally valued player, arguably more value, AND a 1st round pick for. Couple that with the fact that he is a due a new contract next offseason at 28 years old, just stay away. This is not the guy to trade for and then have to give a new contract to while complicating the cap situation. If we are going to make the cap management tight, it better be for someone worthy of that juggling.

Good points. Someone like Danault would be a good fit but not sure he’s 2c material in long run. He just doesn’t have the offense but obviously he does help in other areas we need help in right now but what’s the price tag gonna be for him??? You guys willing to hand him 5 million plus?

 

[Trxjw]

That would be an even worse reason to lose ADA, if you ask me.

I really don't think the situations are connected. If the Rangers really want to keep DeAngelo they can. I don't think that tweet really accurately portrayed the reasons the Rangers would look to trade DeAngelo. The team needs help at several positions and the Rangers are pretty loaded up at RD for the foreseeable future. That's why DeAngelo is potentially available. Cap issues are a potential concern but not likely to be a driving factor, IMO.

 

[egelband]

I’d be happy with Strome on a two year deal. Worst case, he gets exposed to Seattle. Best case he produces at a relative bargain rate. The long term decision whether to sign or keep him gets kicked down the road a year. I sincerely doubt he would sign a two year contract though.

Strome at 4 years only makes sense if you see him as a centerpiece of a Stanley Cup contending team. I’m not ready to sign up for that.

This is my issue with Strome. I like him a lot at $3m. But at $5m-or-more he has to be in the top six. And Strome to me is not a top sixer on a championship team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Good points. Someone like Danault would be a good fit but not sure he’s 2c material in long run. He just doesn’t have the offense but obviously he does help in other areas we need help in right now but what’s the price tag gonna be for him??? You guys willing to hand him 5 million plus?

Danault's last 2 seasons hes posted 47 points (in 71 games) and 53 points with minimal PP time (which he wouldn't see here either.)

These are very much 2nd line numbers.

 

[bl02]

Danault's last 2 seasons hes posted 47 points (in 71 games) and 53 points with minimal PP time (which he wouldn't see here either.)

These are very much 2nd line numbers.

Just not convinced I wanna hand him money and term to be locked up with him long term.

 

[bobbop]

This is my issue with Strome. I like him a lot at $3m. But at $5m-or-more he has to be in the top six. And Strome to me is not a top sixer on a championship team.

In a lot of ways we are right back to where we were with Hayes two years ago.

 

[Cag29]

I like Danault but he’s not a 2nd line center on a cup contending team. And strome would have to be gone. And Chytil would have to make that next step. Losing the 22nd overall two years in a row (20th overall last year which could have been McMichael) would hurt.
In perfect world if Chytil developed into 2nd center which he could then Zibby-Chytil-Danault wouldn’t be bad

One of the you tube hockey Chanel’s said Danault is looking for 7x7. If that’s true that’s pretty expensive.

 

[bl02]

One of the you tube hockey Chanel’s said Danault is looking for 7x7. If that’s true that’s pretty expensive.

Yes let’s give up 22 and Buch for a guy that is gonna want 7x7 and was relegated to play 3c on an average team. Obviously he’s not gonna get that one would think but he probably will get more than 5/5.5

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Danault didn't wanna play 3C. He won't want to here...

And by-and-large, it's not smart to intentionally have middle-9 centers interchangeably. If you're not expecting a more consistent 40+ point scorer, why get another?

So I think Gorton will spare himself the work... if the price is right (we can conclude, all things considered, it's high), There's no need to trade him over Tony The Situation... we'd all like it... sorta... but for all we know he already signed3Y/4.875M

 

[Leetch3]

I have zero interest in a trade for Danault until I know how much $$ it would take to sign him....if have less than zero interest in trading assets for him as a rental if we can't extend him. and there is a good chance that he will be too expensive to extend. I have to think he is going to want at least the deal hayes got in terms of years and term is he really good enough to pay $7 mil per til he's 35?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yes let’s give up 22 and Buch for a guy that is gonna want 7x7 and was relegated to play 3c on an average team. Obviously he’s not gonna get that one would think but he probably will get more than 5/5.5

trading for and dragging around that Eric Karlson’s contract anchor through 2017 sounds about right.

 

[Fitzy]

Thought...

If the NHL wants to run a full 82 game season next year, in an accelerated manner, wouldn't a 23 man game day roster make sense?

14 forwards and 7 defensemen would allow teams to spread the minutes around more reasonably given the physical challenges. Similar to what MLS is doing with 5 substitutions per game.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just not convinced I wanna hand him money and term to be locked up with him long term.

This is fair, but there are worse ways to spend 5 mill.

If there is a better, more cost friendly option available I'm game.

 

[bl02]

This is fair, but there are worse ways to spend 5 mill.

If there is a better, more cost friendly option available I'm game.

This second center thing is a bit tricky. I really like Chytil and wish we could collectively believe/see the future that he is our second center of the future would help solve a lot of things. I think we just have to remain patient one more year.

 

[huerter]

Would you rather be the nominal 1st line center on white boards and pieces of paper or would you rather be the nominal 3rd line center and lead forwards in ice time?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This offseason is going to be most similar to 2005 when there was literally like 2-3 teams worth of older players trying to hang on and get one last kick but the economics and the state of the league forced them into retirement by just being away too long. Remember what happened when Brett Hull tried to come back with Phoenix?

Every valuable LHD is getting locked up by their teams. This next season no one even knows how will play out, start date, and in what capacity. It's not the time to go all in.

A one year stop gap like Andy Greene, Dillon, Sekera, Merrill, Bitetto, Hutton, Soucy, Forbort......put your analytics team to the test and see who fits in with Quinn's philosophy and system.

Sweeten the deal and give them a two year deal for expansion draft exposure.

The Rangers have done very well since 2005 with bargain bin shopping from the two Jasons (Ward and Strudwick) all the way to Paul Carey. Grabner was one of the best bargain bin deals this franchise has ever found and our buddy Cleasson wasn't terrible pre-should injury.

There's something there. Use it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Tough to find a LD that would fit in Quinn’s D system when he doesn’t have one lol

Or maybe that’s a good thing, that means anyone is a fit

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This second center thing is a bit tricky. I really like Chytil and wish we could collectively believe/see the future that he is our second center of the future would help solve a lot of things. I think we just have to remain patient one more year.

If Chytil can add being a PK ace to his skill set then great, problem solved (sorta.) I think he has the tools to really excel in that role.

I'd still want another C to soak PK minutes though. Zibanejad plays a ton as it is and tbh, he's not a good penalty killer. That can come in the form of a 4th line player or 2 though.

I'd rather take care of the LD problem than upgrade at C so I'd be more than fine riding out the last year of Strome before he hits UFA. It's pain point #1 for this team.

 

[egelband]

In a lot of ways we are right back to where we were with Hayes two years ago.

Great comp right there. And I think Hayes is an even safer bet than Strome because his game is a bit more robust. Price points will be relative but still the same thinking.

 

[egelband]

And that is even dumber. I like the parallel you drew though. It highlights the way people get entrenched here. Buchnevich was written off after he didn't blow the doors off his first season. He's been earmarked to leave since then. Strome has been written off since the trade. Assessments were written in stone and people refuse relent unless you make it utterly undeniable like Mika. And even then...

It's not like people are moving heaven and earth to keep Strome. It's always rooted in qualifiers. Reasonable contract. Short term. He has positional versatility so he isn't blocking anyone if they earn a spot.

Buchnevich I just don't get. He is blocking no one. He makes his line go. He's still trending up. I like how he's been developing his game. He should be higher up the list of priorities.

The only reasons I’d move Buchnevich are practical. I think his value is high now and i don’t seem him getting his UFA contract with us. Sell high. I like him otherwise. But he is in the Strome category for me.

 

[mas0764]

Word on the street Montreal really wants to upgrade their top 6 with a scoring winger.

I’m sorry but I really see the fit for Danault. I’ve said it I don’t want to spend the money but I think we might

first and Buchnevich for Danault and their second makes a lot of sense for both sides imo.

Think that’s terrible value for us.

 

[egelband]

Just not convinced I wanna hand him money and term to be locked up with him long term.

Agreed. 100%. Like Strome or Buchnevich. I love them up until they go UFA. And Danault probably more than our guys. But still a quiet ‘no thanks’ from me.