Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[Edge]

The Danault obsession is real

It's weird, I feel like I like him as a player, but I don't love him as a player --- especially when I factor in the age, contract and where the Rangers are.

That's potentially fine if he's a FA, we aren't trying to work in some of our own contracts, and he isn't costing us assets to acquire. But those three factors change things for me.

 

[Avery16]

57 points put Strome at 43rd in the league among 321 players with at least 50 games played lol come on now.

I hate the idea that a number is 1st or 2nd line production because it ignores other contributions but that number is at least excellent second line production and I am not what you'd call a R. Strome fan.

No it is not. It might be second line production, but even with your numbers it is not excellent second line production.

And it certainly is not "top line production", as the OP claims.

 

[bleedblue94]

Nothing lately.

But I think the expectation is that any calls, regarding anyone, typically pick up after the finals.

Just curious, have you heard anything regarding bozak as a possible short term target? Has NYR stayed in contact with the flames recently?

 

[Edge]

Just curious, have you heard anything regarding bozak as a possible short term target? Has NYR stayed in contact with the flames recently?

Rangers and Calgary continue to keep in touch, but nothing was boiling on the stove as of last week. I think they're also keeping touch for draft purposes as well.

Bozak has not come up in any conversations. Frankly, a lot of free agents really haven't. I think a lot of teams are really trying to get their own houses in order first and then waiting to see which teams want to move on from which players.

 

[Kovalev27]

Let me say this. Buchnevich is up for a contract after this season. A contract under no circumstances are we going to pay. So forget the idea of keeping Buchnevich. He’s either dealt now or after this upcoming season. I thought Kreider resigning made that a definite. Lafreniere coming in makes it even more so.

now I’m not saying it’s a good idea to bring in Danault. I’ll repeat that. He’s also due a new contract after this season. He’s a bit older. And I fully believe in Chytil. I am terrified of spending any more money up front knowing the kids and Mika have to be paid.

HOWEVER it would be silly to ignore how many boxes Danault checks for this club and to pretend he isn’t a premiere two way centerman in this league is absurd. You don’t think his points go up dramatically playing in this top six vs the one he’d come from? That’s also absurd. In fact if you did trade for him you better have that ext ready to go before the season is underway because if he lines up next to Panarin and kakko or Lafreniere and Kakko he’s going to put up Strome like points while being Stepan in his prime like good defensively.

so I don’t agree with bringing him in but I absolutely can see why we might want to.

 

[True Blue]

Strome may not be blocking Chytil but if Chytil has to babysit non NHL'ers while Strome is glued to top 6 players, it may as well be.

And I disagree with the idea that Chytil has to prove more because he quite literally dragged Kakko, Howden, PdG, and Lemieux around the ice kicking and screaming all year while he had excellent results with top 6 players that he rarely got ice time with.

Like I said I do not think Strome is "blocking" Chytil but in some ways that don't have anything to do with Strome, he is.

I get your point. I guess that a counter point (or maybe a mitigating one) is that Strome can be moved down to the third line if necessary and he can slide over to wing. So with that flexibility, I do not see him as a "blocking " factor. And that flexibility is important.

 

[Avery16]

Recent mock drafts such as

2020 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

have Lundell dropping out of the top-ten. When Toronto acquired 15OA in the Kapanen deal, they announced it would be available. At 15OA, we could stand to draft Lundell or Guhle. I wonder what plus 22OA gets us 15OA? What plus 22OA would Edmonton need for 14OA?

 

[True Blue]

no, i said the Cap and listed multiple players including Howden. We have no idea what this market is or where it is going. $5 million might be way too much. I’m no fan nor do i see any reason for four years.

Ok, then who are you bringing in and at what price tag to play with Panarin? Or are you just closing your eyes, hoping for the best and moving Chytil up?

 

[True Blue]

No it is not. It might be second line production, but even with your numbers it is not excellent second line production.

And it certainly is not "top line production", as the OP claims.

There are 31 teams in the NHL. Which means that there are 31 top lines and those lines are manned by 99 players. Two years ago, the 99th forward had 50 points. Once again, we can debate where the tiers are, but there is absolutely no debating that it is top line.

And if you have top line production out of your second line, that is in fact the definition of "excellent".

But let's take this a step further. With the 31 teams, there are 62 top-two lines. Those 62 lines are manned by 198 players. That is a fact that cannot be disputed or argued. Two years ago (for full season stats as you only focus on the truly tangible), the 198th had 31 points. Please tell me again how having 57 points on the second line is not "excellent".

 

[NYSPORTS]

Ok, then who are you bringing in and at what price tag to play with Panarin? Or are you just closing your eyes, hoping for the best and moving Chytil up?

Nobody has to make that decision today. With so much uncertainty i see no reason to lock up the #2 center position for four years when there a ton of contracts coming up and we have no idea where this cap or market is going.

 

[True Blue]

Nobody has to make that decision today. With so much uncertainty i see no reason to lock up the #2 center position for four years when there a ton of contracts coming up and we have no idea where this cap or market is going.

It is the off season. That is the time of such decisions.

You made a point and I am asking you to explain it and tell who you are bringing in and for how much. If not Strome, then who?

 

[Raspewtin]

I get your point. I guess that a counter point (or maybe a mitigating one) is that Strome can be moved down to the third line if necessary and he can slide over to wing. So with that flexibility, I do not see him as a "blocking " factor. And that flexibility is important.

I think Strome can have value as a 3rd liner at ES and getting PP1 time for sure. And some of the issues I mentioned prior will hopefully be mitigated by Kakko being an NHL'er this year and adding Lafreniere, and whatever other additions we go with. I just think it's not the best analysis that Chytil needs to prove he is better than a 3C when he played very well straddled with the worst players on the team and killed it whenever he played with top 6 players

 

[Kovalev27]

I honestly want nothing to do with Strome. If we could get a 2nd rounder I’d be thrilled.

he’s as much a problem with our lack of defense as anyone. He is consistently destroyed nightly in every advanced stat by every line he matches up wirh. He’s awful defensively the worst offender of offensive zone penalties in the league.

and a complete non factor when Panarin isn’t carrying him.

I don’t want him on any line I’ll gladly give up some of those points he put up.

 

[Avery16]

There are 31 teams in the NHL. Which means that there are 31 top lines and those lines are manned by 99 players. Two years ago, the 99th forward had 50 points. Once again, we can debate where the tiers are, but there is absolutely no debating that it is top line.

How many of those 31 teams stand a decent chance at winning a Cup? What are we aiming for here, with optimistically a 57-point 2C?

 

[NYSPORTS]

It is the off season. That is the time of such decisions.

You made a point and I am asking you to explain it and tell who you are bringing in and for how much. If not Strome, then who?

Explain to us why four years.

You’re not only requesting an immediate solution for today but asking me to make that decision for each of the next four years. Is your crystal ball reading panic? Panic as if none of these kids will develop into centers, no trades can be made and no free agents will become available?

Honestly, i don’t think anybody can proclaim with certainty that Strome’s numbers aren’t due to Panarin. Panarin was scoring well before Strome.

Why four years? What’s wrong with one or two?

 

[Kovalev27]

How many of those 31 teams stand a decent chance at winning a Cup? What are we aiming for here, with optimistically a 57-point 2C?

If you have a 90 pt left wing next to him while he’s playing great defense I think your chances are really good

 

[bleedblue94]

Rangers and Calgary continue to keep in touch, but nothing was boiling on the stove as of last week. I think they're also keeping touch for draft purposes as well.

Bozak has not come up in any conversations. Frankly, a lot of free agents really haven't. I think a lot of teams are really trying to get their own houses in order first and then waiting to see which teams want to move on from which players.

so if I'm reading into the little tidbit nyr may have discussed the cost to go from 22 to 19 if there is a player there that they want?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It’s been tossed around on the main boards but Strome for Roslovic would be a great deal for us

 

[Kovalev27]

It’s been tossed around on the main boards but Strome for Roslovic would be a great deal for us

you want another Scoring winger? Really?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers and Calgary continue to keep in touch, but nothing was boiling on the stove as of last week. I think they're also keeping touch for draft purposes as well.

Bozak has not come up in any conversations. Frankly, a lot of free agents really haven't. I think a lot of teams are really trying to get their own houses in order first and then waiting to see which teams want to move on from which players.

Sam Bennett for Buchnevich have any truth or rumor behind it? Rangers need to be harder to play against and Bennett is underrated and still only 24 but makes $2,550,000 and RFA after next season 20-21 season.

maybe Sam Bennett and Elias Lindholm to NYR for DeAngelo and Buchnevich, then sell high on Strome???

Strome, Chytil, Andersson and 22ed to Red Wings for Larkin and Cholowski (Larkin has chemistry with Kreider, not sure if that is enough) huge fan of Larkin

Panarin Zibanjad Kakko
Kreider Larkin Kravtsov
Lafreniere Lindholm Bennett
Lemiuex Howden Gauthier
Cholowski Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Staal Lundkvist

 

[Avery16]

I dont think Strome is a horrible asset. I think he's middle-six depth that has a little cost-control and cost us very little. But on his next contract, he is a luxury we shouldn't prioritize over other players like ADA, Buchnevich or the acquisition of a real 2C with upside. If Strome were to be extended more than two seasons, Zibanejad could factor in as well. He's also just not a very smart player, and still makes rookie mistakes after seven pro seasons.

I'd move him for a 2nd and a B prospect, and I'd move him to get into the top 15 of this draft. I wouldn't mind if he were QOd and he signed it, or if he signed a two-year bridge at nothing more than a marginal raise, as long as it doesn't cost us ADA or Buchnevich or prevents us from otherwise meaningfully improving our roster.

 

[bobbop]

@Edge @bobbop - Sorry if either of you have mentioned this before, but I was wondering if you've heard anything about the Rangers having an internal cap this season.

Haven’t heard it. Wouldn’t expect it.

 

[Tawnos]

It’s been tossed around on the main boards but Strome for Roslovic would be a great deal for us

I have little interest in replacing Strome with another center who doesn't kill penalties.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

If Wennberg is bought out, I would definitely look into him. I would still look for a 2C, but Wennberg could be that 3C for us. He's more of a natural C than Chytil is.

 

[Tawnos]

If Wennberg is bought out, I would definitely look into him. I would still look for a 2C, but Wennberg could be that 3C for us. He's more of a natural C than Chytil is.

See, now Wennberg I can get behind. Because he kills penalties. He paced out over 30 points last season, which is my minimum for what I want out of a 3C. And then there's the possibility he can regain his 40 point form once out from under Torts.

That's if they move Strome. He's only like 8 months younger than Strome to begin with. No point in having both.