Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[Avery16]

And again........it seems irrelvant as to what he did in.....wait for it..........Edmonton. What matters now is what he is doing here.

What he *did* here in 2018-19 was 33 points in 63 games.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I would love if the Rangers and Tampa shocked the world and made a trade for Yanni Gourde. His stock is undeniably up due to the postseason he's having, but he'd be a perfect fit with Chytil as a middle six center.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

And because you never rule out the stupid offer. Even if they are once in a generation.

Even if you don't accept, it potentially opens a door for future conversations about players and picks.

A year from now Tkachuk and Ottawa have a falling out over contract negotiations, you pick up the phone again. Of course I'm using that as an example, but I think most people get the point I am getting at.

I guess this is the second half of my post.

 

[NYSPORTS]

To be fair, I have stated that I could see a deal for him to be in the 2-4 year range. But then, I have been saying that $5m for 2-4 years for most of the year at this point.

2-4 years? 4 years?? at $5 million with a flat cap in addition to having to resign Zibby and give raises to so many on the roster. Really?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We aren't trading the 1oa, its gm career suicide.

 

[kovazub94]

...33 points in 63 games may not seem impressive. But it is when you take into consideration those 33 points in 63 games came after putting up 2 points in the previous 18.

Or consideration that it took Strome awhile to restore his confidence, gain familiarity with the organization, system, teammates etc when he joined the Rangers. We talked about it before but I remember using Jan 1 as an arbitrary starting point and Strome's performance from this day on was in line with a "discounted" performance as Panarin's running mate.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What he *did* here in 2018-19 was 33 points in 63 games.

What about 2019-20?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Or consideration that it took Strome awhile to restore his confidence, gain familiarity with the organization, system, teammates etc when he joined the Rangers. We talked about it before but I remember using Feb 1 as an arbitrary starting point and Strome's performance from this day on was in line with a "discounted" performance as Panarin's running mate.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

 

[Avery16]

What about 2019-20?

If you are arguing we give someone a multiyear contract at 2C money based on one good year in that position after several underwhelming ones, well, youre free to make that argument I suppose.

Its just not a very compelling one.

 

[True Blue]

What he *did* here in 2018-19 was 33 points in 63 games.

Which is the same thing as 43 in 82. If you are going to try to compare truncated stats, you really should put them into context.

If you are arguing we give someone a multiyear contract at 2C money based on one good year in that position after several underwhelming ones, well, youre free to make that argument I suppose.

You are paying him to be the 2C stop gap on a good contract rate based on what he has produced since he arrived here. You DO realize that whomever else you bring in from the outside will 1) cost more and 2) have ZERO guarantee that said player can mesh with Panarin. Panarin will score anyway, but it is doubtful that UFA X or Chytil will net 70 points. Or 60 points for that matter

 

[kovazub94]

To be fair, I have stated that I could see a deal for him to be in the 2-4 year range. But then, I have been saying that $5m for 2-4 years for most of the year at this point.

Of course, I was just stating it's the longest possible term we discussed and I'm sure you used this to reduce AAV for the cap consideration.

 

[haohmaru]

Let's get ready for another year of Staal and another year of how the prospects suck because they can't beat out Marc Staal as a 5-6th defenseman.

Nobody is beating Staal out. He's got Dolan hamster pics.

 

[Avery16]

Which is the same thing as 43 in 82. If you are going to try to compare truncated stats, you really should put them into context.

No, it isnt. It is not the same. Its not a real number that ever happened. Its a projection, and its a questionable one.

Youre truncating the stats. Lets do what real GMs do and consider every season a player played.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

2-4 years? 4 years?? at $5 million with a flat cap in addition to having to resign Zibby and give raises to so many on the roster. Really?

Yeah the 2 years is acceptable only because there is an expansion draft happening next year.

Even if he isn't selected, they'll probably be able to trade him somewhere if need be. Worst case, you carry him around for a year as an overpaid 3rd line player.

Anything more than that and you're just asking for trouble.

 

[UnSandvich]

Well, just got my request for draft night off approved. So, a question for you all:

What should I drink when we draft Lafreniere first overall? Lagavulin 16, or Widow Jane Lucky 13?

 

[True Blue]

2-4 years? 4 years?? at $5 million with a flat cap in addition to having to resign Zibby and give raises to so many on the roster. Really?

Really. If not him, then who? Who are you bringing in that will have the same chemistry with Panarin and produce as well? Oh, and cost you less than $5m?

Or are you simply thrusting Chytil into a role that he neither deserves nor shown that he is capable of handling?

 

[Irishguy42]

Well, just got my request for draft night off approved. So, a question for you all:

What should I drink when we draft Lafreniere first overall? Lagavulin 16, or Widow Jane Lucky 13?

Yes

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If you are arguing we give someone a multiyear contract at 2C money based on one good year in that position after several underwhelming ones, well, youre free to make that argument I suppose.

Its just not a very compelling one.

Gorton might

 

[True Blue]

No, it isnt. It is not the same. Its not a real number that ever happened. Its a projection, and its a questionable one.

Youre truncating the stats. Lets do what real GMs do and consider every season a player played.

What makes it questionable? That he was doing it?

33 points in 63 games is the same rate as 43 in 82. I am not sure what you are really arguing here. Or just arguing just to argue. This is beginning to resemble you constantly trying to push the Trade Trouba narrative.

Ok. So let's throw out that point rate. Should we now use the point rate from last year? Or do you have yet another excuse as to why it should not be used?

Seems to me that there is a whole lot of bending over backwards in efforts to explain the production of a player.

 

[Avery16]

Gorton might

He did sign Smith to his deal, so I guess that is a possibility, yes.

 

[aufheben]

1-year for Strome. I ain’t gettin’ off this train.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

1-year for Strome. I ain’t gettin’ off this train.

Yah

It makes the most sense for everybody. Strome gets to pick his spot next year, and the team doesn't get locked into another contract it will regret

 

[Thirty One]

1-year for Strome. I ain’t gettin’ off this train.

This train we on don't make no stops!

 

[UnSandvich]

Yes

So the Stagg Jr. then?

 

[effen]

1-year for Strome. I ain’t gettin’ off this train.

I think almost everyone agrees with 1-2 years.

Not sure I've seen a single advocate for a 4 year deal.