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What if Lindgren gets surpassed at that point by Miller, Robertson and Reunanen?
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What if Lindgren gets surpassed at that point by Miller, Robertson and Reunanen?
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Or what if Tony isn’t here and they end up protecting Trouba, Brodin/Dunn, and Lindgren?
Even if they still have Trouba, Tony, and Brodin/Dunn, I wouldn’t lose sleep over losing Lindgren in expansion. I’d rather bite the bullet and lose one player than make a stupid move like paying extra to avoid losing someone.
I think we should protect 8. Things can of course change, but I rather lose one of the forwards.
Another thing to consider with Dunn is that the Rangers are poised to lose Staal and Smith next summer. While of course Staal is more of a liability than a useful player at this point in his career, he does provide that insulation for young players that I was talking about yesterday. Most of the board thought Hajek was stepping into a bottom-pairing role this season and would soon push Staal out of the lineup. That obviously didn't work out and I think the Rangers probably have that in the back of their mind when addressing the roster beyond this season. We're all hopeful for guys like Reunanen, Miller, and Roberston, but none of them are guarantees to win a spot, let alone be top-pairing options with Trouba.
Say we add Dunn and take a long look at Reunanen next season. If neither of those guys work out as hoped that means you're going into 21-22 with Lindgren as your only viable top-4 option on the left-side and he's certainly not established there either. I really don't think the Rangers are keen to keep signing band-aids year to year either. That's why, after chewing on it over the weekend, I think someone like Brodin makes a lot more sense than Dunn. You basically swap out the money Staal is getting for Brodin and you've stabilized a position for several years into the future. If Miller or Reunanen pushes Brodin to the 2nd pairing, the outcome is one of the best young blue lines in the NHL. If the worst case scenario hits and those guys all flop, you at least have a reliable top-pairing in Trouba/Brodin to lead you through those rough waters and a pretty capable 2nd pairing of Lindgren and Fox.
Not every guy we have in the pipeline will work out and every guy we sign/trade for will play out his contract here. However, it's absolutely critical that we have the right guys in place to get us from point A to point B. Otherwise you run the risk of being an Edmonton or Florida where you've relied too much on "the future" that never materialized.
I think investing in "Trouba-left" is a prudent move. Even if the pipeline looks amazing. Let the kids settle into the roles at their own pace instead of the pace we need them to.
Say we add Dunn and take a long look at Reunanen next season. If neither of those guys work out as hoped that means you're going into 21-22 with Lindgren as your only viable top-4 option on the left-side and he's certainly not established there either. I really don't think the Rangers are keen to keep signing band-aids year to year either. That's why, after chewing on it over the weekend, I think someone like Brodin makes a lot more sense than Dunn. You basically swap out the money Staal is getting for Brodin and you've stabilized a position for several years into the future. If Miller or Reunanen pushes Brodin to the 2nd pairing, the outcome is one of the best young blue lines in the NHL. If the worst case scenario hits and those guys all flop, you at least have a reliable top-pairing in Trouba/Brodin to lead you through those rough waters and a pretty capable 2nd pairing of Lindgren and Fox.
Not every guy we have in the pipeline will work out and every guy we sign/trade for will play out his contract here. However, it's absolutely critical that we have the right guys in place to get us from point A to point B. Otherwise you run the risk of being an Edmonton or Florida where you've relied too much on "the future" that never materialized.
I think investing in "Trouba-left" is a prudent move. Even if the pipeline looks amazing. Let the kids settle into the roles at their own pace instead of the pace we need them to.
It’s not about letting him walk, it’s about choosing which three D to protect from Seattle- Trouba, ADA, Lindgren or Brodin/Dunn. Whoever we leave off from that list will be significantly more attractive than any F we can’t protect.
That’s possible, but we aren’t there yet. If ADA is gone, we better have a 2C on an ELC in his place.
Or a really good 2nd contract.
charliemurphy
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@Trxjw Great point. And I especially think it’s essential to retain mobility on the roster.
Like I am a big Brodin fan. But he is getting a full NMC for a number of years on his next deal and then a NTC. Trouba is in that position. We would again put us in a situation where we risk that we cannot do anything about the older higher paid blueliners. Brodin’s next contract will take him from 28 to 35.
I am very doubtful about going that route. Would much prefer getting Sergachev at 5 years 7.5m per for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Can be traded at any time. We retain flexibility.
Like I am a big Brodin fan. But he is getting a full NMC for a number of years on his next deal and then a NTC. Trouba is in that position. We would again put us in a situation where we risk that we cannot do anything about the older higher paid blueliners. Brodin’s next contract will take him from 28 to 35.
I am very doubtful about going that route. Would much prefer getting Sergachev at 5 years 7.5m per for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Can be traded at any time. We retain flexibility.
NYR Viper
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No, it doesn't. The choice comes down to 4 + 4 or 8 + 3. They'll go with the 4 + 4 more than likely. Too many bottom 6 forwards that Seattle can have. We'll have Victor Rask, Eric Staal (who will be a free agent), Ryan Donato, Ryan Hartman, Jordan Greenway or one of Joel Eriksson-Ek or Luke Kunin. Kunin or Eriksson-Ek maybe a loss, but not that bad of a loss.
No, we didn't. It wasn't great, but we didn't get 'destroyed'. Vegas could have gotten Kaprizov. Or Dumba or Brodin.
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How much can Brodin command? His offensive production is average at best but is he going to want Vlasic money?
I think he gets a shade under Vlasic money. 6-6.5 per unless he take a hit on term.
DutchShamrock
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Wow, you guys get pretty sensitive if you search other boards for opinions on old moves. I guess Tuch wasn't so much of a throw in after all if you don't have 5 forwards worth protecting. I'll stick to my opinion, thanks.
Sure, but those should be separate decisions because ADA >>>> either Brodin or Dunn.
seattle can pick a pending UFA and it would be just like trading for the rights to a pending ufa to get exclusive negotiating rights but not really a move that makes any sense.
that UFA status would be a loop hole to get around the protection limit but at the same time I'm only trading for Brodin if I know I can get him locked up long term. I might even ask to negotiate with him before finalizing the trade. assuming a strome for brodin trade isn't possible, the price will be too much for a rental.
NYR Viper
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NYR Viper
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No decision can be made in a vacuum. Moving ADA for a center fills a hole up front but creates one on the back-end. Filling the 2C role means Strome or Buch are available as well. Every move has a trickle down and cap implications, etc.
When you guys are talking about Brodin, we're interested in hearing. BTW Brodin's offensive production is limited, because there are three defensemen in front of him that play on the PP. Dumba and Suter (who won't get off). As well, just correcting perception regarding value and the expansion draft. Minnesota is more than likely going to go 4 + 4 than 8 +3 if they retain Brodin.
Finally, Tuch was considered a good, but not great prospect. More in the line of Kunin and Greenway than Kaprizov/Fiala. The best thing about him was that he was a right-handed shot, but he was considered a good, but not great prospect. Going to Vegas actually helped him out a lot.
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