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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
While I agree, and personally have no interest in adding Eichel if it means having to jettison Zibanejad, I will say this: Eichel has probably more good seasons in him than Zibanejad, solely because of his age. That said, giving up a 1st overall pick for a player earning an 8 figure salary in a salary capped league is foolish.
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I can see the argument for that, Eichel is younger. I just can't help but see Zibanejad's complete game as more important to winning and considering the state of our team, Zibanejad's defensive emergence might be even more valuable than his goal scoring moving forward. I do say "might" though, cause 40 goals is important too. :laugh:
 
Honestly, depending on the price tag, I wouldn't be too concerned with giving Brodin an extension. I don't think he's produced enough offensively in his career that he'd come anywhere close to what Trouba got and with the flat cap he might have to take a small hit anyway. Something in the neighborhood of the Muzzin deal might not be out of line. Especially for a guy who has shown he can play on the top pairing. Of course he'd likely need more than 4 years but he's 27 and I think taking him to 33 wouldn't be the worst thing.
 
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Trxjw said:
Honestly, depending on the price tag, I wouldn't be too concerned with giving Brodin an extension. I don't think he's produced enough offensively in his career that he'd come anywhere close to what Trouba got and with the flat cap he might have to take a small hit anyway. Something in the neighborhood of the Muzzin deal might not be out of line. Especially for a guy who has shown he can play on the top pairing. Of course he'd likely need more than 4 years but he's 27 and I think taking him to 33 wouldn't be the worst thing.
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The other thing is that his game SHOULD be tailored to move down the line-up to support a young RD like Fox or Lundqvist as well.
 
MrAlmost said:
I can see the argument for that, Eichel is younger. I just can't help but see Zibanejad's complete game as more important to winning and considering the state of our team, Zibanejad's defensive emergence might be even more valuable than his goal scoring moving forward. I do say "might" though, cause 40 goals is important too. :laugh:
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well the eichel is younger angle shouldn't be about the team being better NOW with him than mika. I like Mika's all around game better no doubt...

the argument about the age difference should be around 1) the potential issues of giving mika 8 years at 29 and 2) how many more prime years does he still have ahead of him?

eichel's age obviously fits out timeline better in that his prime years will overlap with the prime years of kakko and lafreniere more than mika & panarin. I still lean toward not trading for him but I think that is the argument to be made.
 
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Raspewtin said:
can't believe Brodin is 27 I feel like he's been around forever.
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He has been lol. He's an 8 year veteran now. He came in with some insane potential too, the offense never showed, but the defense is fantastic. He's a modern day shutdown type. Can skate, good first passer, has enough size to work the front of the net and boards. I'm just hesitant to give out a 5 or 6 year deal to any defender that is his age that would take him past the 30 year mark for the back half of the deal.

Much bigger fan of trading for Dunn, who has control and his best hockey is still yet to come.
 
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NYR Viper said:
So this works in cap friendly:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Lindholm-Kaako
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Reaves

Brodin-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Reunanen-Smith

Igor
Hank

Trades:

Strome for Brodin

ADA for Lindholm + CAL 3rd '21

Georgiev to OTT for SJ 3rd '21 + OTT 4th '22

CAL 3rd '21 for Reaves

Lemieux - 1 year $1.2m

$750k in cap space
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Are you accounting for the performance bonuses?
 
Leetch3 said:
well the eichel is younger angle shouldn't be about the team being better NOW with him than mika. I like Mika's all around game better no doubt...

the argument about the age difference should be around 1) the potential issues of giving mika 8 years at 29 and 2) how many more prime years does he still have ahead of him?

eichel's age obviously fits out timeline better in that his prime years will overlap with the prime years of kakko and lafreniere more than mika & panarin. I still lean toward not trading for him but I think that is the argument to be made.
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Yeah, again that's fair. Eichel is younger and may fit the perceived "timeline", but on a defensively immature team, it doesn't strike me as a smart move to replace your best defensive center, who is also your best center overall and arguably the second best player on the team, with someone who, while as good or maybe better offensively, doesn't skate as well or defend as well. More offense doesn't seem to be the problem with the Rangers going forward.
 
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MrAlmost said:
Yeah, again that's fair. Eichel is younger and may fit the perceived "timeline", but on a defensively immature team, it doesn't strike me as a smart move to replace your best defensive center, who is also your best center overall and arguably the second best player on the team, with someone who, while as good or maybe better offensively, doesn't skate as well or defend as well. More offense doesn't seem to be the problem with the Rangers going forward.
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Many top offensive centers that couldn't defend worth a lick when they were young became much better as they got older. (Both Yzerman and Modano come to mind.) Even Mika has drastically improved his game defensively. So, I wouldn't hold that against Eichel. Technically, Eichel fits the timeline better than Mika would, especially since Mika is due a new contract in two years. However, you'd also be losing a major component of the current team, so the potential would be there for a regression.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Stome for Brodin would be an all time steal.
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The only thing that would even make me think a steal is possible is that the Wild supposedly want to avoid the expansion mess they experienced last time. They have to protect Suter and Spurgeon with their NMC. So the choice comes down to Dumba and Brodin.

There has been talk they are shopping Dumba. But I have no idea what Guerin is doing, and he might not either. Minny got destroyed with the last expansion, that's for sure. They will try to clean up their roster before they get fleeced again.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
As will Strome if he produces the same way for a second year in a row.

More to the point, I don't think the team makes such a move necessarily as a long-term fix, but rather to bridge Miller/Robertson/Jones/etc. while they develop.
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Well, a lot of people see Strome as expendable because he will need a new contract. And I think Brodin will looking for more (top pairing D vs. 2C).
 
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NYR Viper said:
I have Lafreniere in there for $3m
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Max bonuses are 2.85 mil, so Laf will be at 3.775 with bonuses. Look at Shesty's contract.

We are also exceeding the bonus cushion without Laf's bonuses. Shestey at 2.85, Kakko at 2.65, Fox at .85, Chytil at .35, Gauthier at .3 and Lindgren at .2125.

That's a total of 7.2125 mil in bonuses, without Laf. The bonus cushion is 6.1125 mil (7.5% of 81.5). We are 1.1 mil over the bonus cushion without Laf, and 3.95 mil over the cushion with him. You probably need to shave about 1.5 mil off of that roster, which can be done by buying out Hank and replacing him with a cheaper backup.

Edit: I just realized your lineup doesn't have any spares, and Reunanen has 132,500 in performance bonuses. That's going to make it a lot tighter.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Well, a lot of people see Strome as expendable because he will need a new contract. And I think Brodin will looking for more (top pairing D vs. 2C).
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Easily going to look for more. He is going to be the top LHd available in UFA next year. He's in line to be paid handsomely when it comes to that time. The market says he will. He is the better player than Strome, but are they going to want to commit those dollars to a LHD when their system is flush with them, although not necessarily with someone that has top pairing upside.

The fit player wise is there. I do not know they want to commit the salary there when looking at the young forwards needing deals (hopefully) when he is on the back end of the deal. He'll also want a NMC or a large NTC to protect himself. Gorton is going to have to weigh those things out when upgrading the left side of the defense.
 
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GAGLine said:
Max bonuses are 2.85 mil, so Laf will be at 3.775 with bonuses. Look at Shesty's contract.

We are also exceeding the bonus cushion without Laf's bonuses. Shestey at 2.85, Kakko at 2.65, Fox at .85, Chytil at .35, Gauthier at .3 and Lindgren at .2125.

That's a total of 7.2125 mil in bonuses, without Laf. The bonus cushion is 6.1125 mil (7.5% of 81.5). We are 1.1 mil over the bonus cushion without Laf, and 3.95 mil over the cushion with him. You probably need to shave about 1.5 mil off of that roster, which can be done by buying out Hank and replacing him with a cheaper backup.

Edit: I just realized your lineup doesn't have any spares. That's going to make it a lot tighter.
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the bonus cushion only matters if the bonuses are earned. its not of no concern but I don't think its a big one.
 
Leetch3 said:
but the argument against strome is that his contract value will exceed his actual value. I think people would be fine paying that 2C $$ to a center they thought deserved it.
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I get that. I think Strome is a bit in the same boat as Nylander was. He's found a good spot, where he's found chemistry with a top player, in a place where he's played the best hockey of his career and with a team that has a bright future. Does he want to get as much money as he can or does he see a good thing when he has it and leaves some money on the table?
 
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GAGLine said:
Max bonuses are 2.85 mil, so Laf will be at 3.775 with bonuses. Look at Shesty's contract.

We are also exceeding the bonus cushion without Laf's bonuses. Shestey at 2.85, Kakko at 2.65, Fox at .85, Chytil at .35, Gauthier at .3 and Lindgren at .2125.

That's a total of 7.2125 mil in bonuses, without Laf. The bonus cushion is 6.1125 mil (7.5% of 81.5). We are 1.1 mil over the bonus cushion without Laf, and 3.95 mil over the cushion with him. You probably need to shave about 1.5 mil off of that roster, which can be done by buying out Hank and replacing him with a cheaper backup.

Edit: I just realized your lineup doesn't have any spares, and Reunanen has 132,500 in performance bonuses. That's going to make it a lot tighter.
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So next year, in a shortened season will be interesting. That will also mean 'banking' cap space will accrue faster than in normal seasons. So even if they don't keep a spare for 20-30 days that will help accrue more cap space than a normal season right?
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I get that. I think Strome is a bit in the same boat as Nylander was. He's found a good spot, where he's found chemistry with a top player, in a place where he's played the best hockey of his career and with a team that has a bright future. Does he want to get as much money as he can or does he see a good thing when he has it and leaves some money on the table?
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i think he wants the most $$ he can get...and I don't blame him. if he can get that $$ from the rangers i'm sure he'd gladly sign a 1 year deal to get another year with panarin headed into ufa status to cash in.

nylander was also 35 when he left the rangers so that was a little different imo
 
just my two cents but id be pushing for acquiring Dunn before I looked at Brodin, the blues might not have the cap to keep him and id rather someone with the skillset of Dunn over brodin
 
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