Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

[Leetch3]

I really like ryan lindgren, I think he's the perfect 3rd pair guy that can fill in the top 4. leaving him exposed to add some random guy makes no sense given the unknowns about miller, robertson, etc. but at the same time, he isn't so valuable that I'd pass on adding a top pair guy to make sure we can protect him...so it all depends on how good the guy is that we are adding. but definitely would rather avoid exposing him if we can.

 

[Anthony5967]

What if Lindgren gets surpassed at that point by Miller, Robertson and Reunanen?

Then they're in good shape, but let's not assume they will. Neither has even dressed an AHL game let alone proven to be a solid top-four d in their rookie season. He also brings an edge, hits, plays tough, something nobody else on that blueline does aside from Trouba.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Would DeAngelo get Cody Glass... straight up?

 

[Anthony5967]

Anybody catch the article yesterday on how the Rangers should trade for Stamkos?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Honestly, I don't think there is a real good trade to work out between Minnesota and New York. They both need the same thing (top 6 center).

 

[Leetch3]

No decision can be made in a vacuum. Moving ADA for a center fills a hole up front but creates one on the back-end. Filling the 2C role means Strome or Buch are available as well. Every move has a trickle down and cap implications, etc.

this is true but the point is if we are trading ADA for a 2C its because we decided that is the right move. if we get someone like dunn, we aren't going to then trade ada so we don't have to expose lindgren in the expansion draft.

 

[Trxjw]

@Trxjw Great point. And I especially think it’s essential to retain mobility on the roster.

Like I am a big Brodin fan. But he is getting a full NMC for a number of years on his next deal and then a NTC. Trouba is in that position. We would again put us in a situation where we risk that we cannot do anything about the older higher paid blueliners. Brodin’s next contract will take him from 28 to 35.

I am very doubtful about going that route. Would much prefer getting Sergachev at 5 years 7.5m per for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Can be traded at any time. We retain flexibility.

I think there might be some impact on Brodin's contract due to the flat cap. I'm not too worried about Brodin until 33-34 on a ~$5.6 - 6m per year deal. Especially if we front-load it. That's a moveable contract provided he stays healthy and doesn't lose too much foot speed.

I'd be more worried about Sergachev at that high of a number. I don't think he's worth that much yet and throwing out an offer sheet when we're going to have some highly paid kids of our own seems like a dangerous play.

 

[Leetch3]

Anybody catch the article yesterday on how the Rangers should trade for Stamkos?

did the trade include a time machine?

 

[NYR Viper]

I think there might be some impact on Brodin's contract due to the flat cap. I'm not too worried about Brodin until 33-34 on a ~$5.6 - 6m per year deal. Especially if we front-load it. That's a moveable contract provided he stays healthy and doesn't lose too much foot speed.

I'd be more worried about Sergachev at that high of a number. I don't think he's worth that much yet and throwing out an offer sheet when we're going to have some highly paid kids of our own seems like a dangerous play.

Finding a LD who can eat 20-22 minutes and NOT need PP time for ~$5-5.5m which is where I think Brodin comes in as exactly the type of contract this team should be looking for. That middle of the road, $5-5.5m is a nice contract

 

[LokiDog]

I really like ryan lindgren, I think he's the perfect 3rd pair guy that can fill in the top 4. leaving him exposed to add some random guy makes no sense given the unknowns about miller, robertson, etc. but at the same time, he isn't so valuable that I'd pass on adding a top pair guy to make sure we can protect him...so it all depends on how good the guy is that we are adding. but definitely would rather avoid exposing him if we can.

This is pretty spot on. It just depends what can be added. If we’re in a position where we can bring in a legitimate top 3 LHD whose age fits our window and whose skillset compliments our needs, you can’t not pull the trigger because it might mean losing Lindgren. I would prefer not to expose him, but the draft is also too unpredictable to allow potentially exposing him to stop us from adding a player whose ceiling is tangibly beyond anything Lindgren is capable of. There is the potential that other defenders available lead Seattle to draft differently and an exposed Lindgren is passed over in favor of a forward. There’s also the potential to pay a prospect or pick to get Seattle to take Howden, for instance, if we truly believe our best interest is to keep Lindgren for his grit and steady play and ability to slide up the lineup. I would rather not get into trading picks and prospects in exchange for protecting other players, of course, but this is all stuff that can’t accurately be predicted or mitigated until next summer. Still, I wouldn’t pass on an actual premier defender just because we don’t have enough protection slots to cover everyone we’d ideally like to.

 

[Boris Zubov]

When you guys are talking about Brodin, we're interested in hearing. BTW Brodin's offensive production is limited, because there are three defensemen in front of him that play on the PP. Dumba and Suter (who won't get off). As well, just correcting perception regarding value and the expansion draft. Minnesota is more than likely going to go 4 + 4 than 8 +3 if they retain Brodin.

Finally, Tuch was considered a good, but not great prospect. More in the line of Kunin and Greenway than Kaprizov/Fiala. The best thing about him was that he was a right-handed shot, but he was considered a good, but not great prospect. Going to Vegas actually helped him out a lot.

If you or the Wild front office thought the best thing about Tuch was his handedness, no wonder your team is languishing in the bottom tier of the league. Have you seen him skate?

Sorry, Tuch didn't need a change of scenery, he just needed a spot in the lineup. Giving him away was a bonehead move...there's no spinning it at this point.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Then they're in good shape, but let's not assume they will. Neither has even dressed an AHL game let alone proven to be a solid top-four d in their rookie season. He also brings an edge, hits, plays tough, something nobody else on that blueline does aside from Trouba.

I'm sorry, but, I know some people have fallen in love with Lindgren, but, given that all three of Miller, Robertson and Reunanen have higher upsides, and all three are expected to to have a shot at pushing for a spot in the upcoming season, being better than Lindgren is not exactly a high bar to scale.

 

[Avery16]

No decision can be made in a vacuum. Moving ADA for a center fills a hole up front but creates one on the back-end. Filling the 2C role means Strome or Buch are available as well. Every move has a trickle down and cap implications, etc.

Ok, but we shouldn't move ADA solely for the purpose of acquiring Dunn or Brodin, because absent other considerations that is a bad move.

 

[Ola]

I think there might be some impact on Brodin's contract due to the flat cap. I'm not too worried about Brodin until 33-34 on a ~$5.6 - 6m per year deal. Especially if we front-load it. That's a moveable contract provided he stays healthy and doesn't lose too much foot speed.

I'd be more worried about Sergachev at that high of a number. I don't think he's worth that much yet and throwing out an offer sheet when we're going to have some highly paid kids of our own seems like a dangerous play.

I think Sergachev has taken big steps lately. He is just 22 and I think he is ready to step up and be a true No 1.

I don’t know about Brodin. Just been down that road too many times before. Would think long and hard before paying anyone that age. Besides, there is no way around the NMC/NTC set-up. It’s going to be like 4+3 for Brodin.

Pay the players who is about to enter their prime. Not someone that is peaking now.

Edit: But I do agree with you, if you can get down towards 5.75m per on Brodin — you all of a sudden get some upside too.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm sorry, but, I know some people have fallen in love with Lindgren, but, given that all three of Miller, Robertson and Reunanen have higher upsides, and all three are expected to to have a shot at pushing for a spot in the upcoming season, being better than Lindgren is not exactly a high bar to scale.

I've been hearing that Lindgren was 'nothing special' and yet he absolutely helped settle down that 2nd pairing in his rookie season. To me, he's exactly the tpye of guy who fits in well on the LD. He shouldn't be expensive and he should be able to compliment a most of our RD's

 

[bbny]

I really like ryan lindgren, I think he's the perfect 3rd pair guy that can fill in the top 4. leaving him exposed to add some random guy makes no sense given the unknowns about miller, robertson, etc. but at the same time, he isn't so valuable that I'd pass on adding a top pair guy to make sure we can protect him...so it all depends on how good the guy is that we are adding. but definitely would rather avoid exposing him if we can.

Exactly. If they trade for an LD they would have to protect, then DeAngelo has to be gone. You don't do both and then expose Lindgren, who would almost definitely be taken barring a tremendous decline from what he did last season.

 

[huerter]

As far as I know, the Rangers and Edmonton haven't talked in quite a while.

What is wrong with this damn organization? Doesn't care about the cap and doesn't do at least weekly check ins with other teams? Wake up. You aren't special and just because players want to play for you and you win a couple lotteries doesn't mean you can blow off the job essentials. Same attitude that led to Hartford being a wasteland for years. The margins are razor thin. You have to do everything right to hoist the trophy. You can't punt on the prerequisites. Serenity now.

 

[Krams]

Ok, but we shouldn't move ADA solely for the purpose of acquiring Dunn or Brodin, because absent other considerations that is a bad move.

Nobody ever suggested this, the moves would be unrelated

 

[thestonedkoala]

If you or the Wild front office thought the best thing about Tuch was his handedness, no wonder your team is languishing in the bottom tier of the league. Have you seen him skate?

At the time, Tuch was stuck behind el Nino, Coyle and Pominville. Fenton and Fletcher had different views of the roster, for better or worse.

Also bottom tier? Minnesota and NY were separated by two points this year.

Sorry, Tuch didn't need a change of scenery, he just needed a spot in the lineup. Giving him away was a bonehead move...there's no spinning it at this point.

Exactly, he needed a spot in the line up. I think he would languished playing in Minnesota as they take their rookies along slowly and he wouldn't have seen the minutes in Minnesota as he did in Vegas.

Finally, Minnesota was faced with a significant problem. Would you take Tuch over Brodin or Dumba? At that time? Brodin was and is considered to be one of the best defensive-defensemen in the league. Dumba was coming off an 11 goal, 23 assist season. Hell, Dumba almost had as many goals as Tuch that first season afterwards and had more points this season. Even in his shortened season, Dumba had 30 points less in 42 less games. Not bad.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I've been hearing that Lindgren was 'nothing special' and yet he absolutely helped settle down that 2nd pairing in his rookie season. To me, he's exactly the tpye of guy who fits in well on the LD. He shouldn't be expensive and he should be able to compliment a most of our RD's

We're talking two years from now, and Miller and/or Reunanen could surpass Lindgren as early as this year. What if he takes a step back? It's too early to be making statements such as "they would have to be idiots to expose Lindgren."

 

[Avery16]

Nobody ever suggested this, the moves would be unrelated

So whats the available return for ADA that allows us to think about acquiring Dunn or Brodin without losing Lindgren?

 

[Anthony5967]

I'm sorry, but, I know some people have fallen in love with Lindgren, but, given that all three of Miller, Robertson and Reunanen have higher upsides, and all three are expected to to have a shot at pushing for a spot in the upcoming season, being better than Lindgren is not exactly a high bar to scale.

I wouldn't hold my breath that any of those three are better defensively than Lindgren. Reunanen better be better than him because they really don't need another PP type d-man. So he has to be a solid two-way guy, in my opinion. But you also can't have a backend that's soft. Tampa doesn't, neither do the Isles. You can't have six puck movers without an ounce of bite to their game.

 

[Anthony5967]

did the trade include a time machine?

Basically discussed the prior two times the NYR have tried for him and said that they should try again this offseason. It failed to mention Stammer's NMC. Also failed to mention that that ship has most likely sailed. Why would TB move their captain and future HOFer that's 30?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I wouldn't hold my breath that any of those three are better defensively than Lindgren. Reunanen better be better than him because they really don't need another PP type d-man. So he has to be a solid two-way guy, in my opinion. But you also can't have a backend that's soft. Tampa doesn't, neither do the Isles. You can't have six puck movers without an ounce of bite to their game.

Miller and Robertson are soft? Trouba certainly isn't soft.

 

[Leetch3]

Basically discussed the prior two times the NYR have tried for him and said that they should try again this offseason. It failed to mention Stammer's NMC. Also failed to mention that that ship has most likely sailed. Why would TB move their captain and future HOFer that's 30?

i think the myth of us almost trading for him needs to die. we didn't almost have a deal. sather got drunk with one of tampa's owners who said ok. it was never an actual trade negotiated with the gm lol