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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

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Avery16 said:
So whats the available return for ADA that allows us to think about acquiring Dunn or Brodin without losing Lindgren?
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A top 6 center, Elias Lindholm's name has been getting thrown around for the past 20+ pages and Edge confirmed Rangers' interest. You don't not make moves that will improve the team in needed areas because you are worried about losing Lindgren... if we are in that position next summer and Lindgren continues to improve to a point where the team considers him too valuable to lose then there are options. Rangers have built up a tremendous amount of assets and have the flexibility to make a move with Seattle to ensure someone else is taken.
 
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Anthony5967 said:
Basically discussed the prior two times the NYR have tried for him and said that they should try again this offseason. It failed to mention Stammer's NMC. Also failed to mention that that ship has most likely sailed. Why would TB move their captain and future HOFer that's 30?
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Also, why would the Rangers trade for a player who can no longer stay healthy at that price tag?
 
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Lindholm and Hanafin do make a lot of sense. Calgary needs a 'shakeup' . We need an affordable middle6 center and an affordable top4 LHD

What would be fair value? ADA, Buch +? Georgiev? Lias? Strome? picks?
 
Krams said:
A top 6 center, Elias Lindholm's name has been getting thrown around for the past 20+ pages and Edge confirmed Rangers' interest. You don't not make moves that will improve the team in needed areas because you are worried about losing Lindgren... if we are in that position next summer and Lindgren continues to improve to a point where the team considers him too valuable to lose then there are options. Rangers have built up a tremendous amount of assets and have the flexibility to make a move with Seattle to ensure someone else it taken.
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Exactly. We're not talking about the likes of soon-to-be Lafreniere, Kakko or Fox, or even to a lesser extent the likes of Chytil. Lindgren was okay, but a lot of that has to do with Fox being superb. (I'm pretty sure the analytics bear that out.) Lindgren is a nice player and has value, but, he's hardly irreplaceable.
 
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Get Sergachev. Sergachev-Trouba is a strong 1st pair.

Start K'Andre in the AHL. Break him in during the season.

Martin is here. Shesty get to solidify his role as a starter in the NHL behind a strong defense. Kravy matures a year in the KHL.

I think we could be pretty scary in 21/22. Like especially if Shesty hit it off.
Sergachev-Trouba
K’Andre-TDA
Lindgren-Fox

Up front we got Kakko on his 3rd year ELC deal. Laf in his 2nd ELC deal. These guys should be more or less true 1st line players by then. Panarin, Kreider, Ziba. Buch? Kravy? Gauthier. Lemieux. Chytil. Howden. All those younger guys should be improved.

That could be a team that could do some damage. And sure, as the kids starts getting paid players will have to move out. But with only 3 NMC/NTCs (Kreider, Panarin and Trouba) on the roster Gorton got all the flexibility in the world the summer of 22’. How good is Nils? K’Andre? The forwards. Which forward is worth keeping?

Historically looking, we got all the reasons in the world to not expect us to not see things in 2 years as we see them today. Retain the flexibility to make the calls at the time they have to be made, not today.
 
Anthony5967 said:
Basically discussed the prior two times the NYR have tried for him and said that they should try again this offseason. It failed to mention Stammer's NMC. Also failed to mention that that ship has most likely sailed. Why would TB move their captain and future HOFer that's 30?
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Because they are the best team in the league without him? But, no thanks from my POV.
 
jas said:
Miller and Robertson are soft? Trouba certainly isn't soft.
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Neither are soft but it goes back to my original point that neither have even set foot on American Hockey League ice let alone everybody wanting to pencil Miller in as a future top-pair LHD and Robertson into the lineup, as well lol. It's like everybody penciling in Lundkvist as the second coming of Fox meanwhile he's never played in North America, which is why many say DeAngelo is expendable. I want to see how they do in the AHL before I start saying Reunanen, Miller, and Robertson make Lindgren expendable. Don't think I'm crazy for feeling that way.
 
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Ola said:
I think Sergachev has taken big steps lately. He is just 22 and I think he is ready to step up and be a true No 1.

I don’t know about Brodin. Just been down that road too many times before. Would think long and hard before paying anyone that age. Besides, there is no way around the NMC/NTC set-up. It’s going to be like 4+3 for Brodin.

Pay the players who is about to enter their prime. Not someone that is peaking now.

Edit: But I do agree with you, if you can get down towards 5.75m per on Brodin — you all of a sudden get some upside too.
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I think Sergachev has a ton of potential. I'm just worried about preemptively paying for it at this point. At least Trouba was somewhat of a known quantity.

Brodin is what he is for the most part but he's also almost exactly what we need. A minute eater who instantly takes our defense to a new level. I also wouldn't put it past him to take a step forward offensively with a new opportunity. The offense never came in Minny but he's certainly capable of contributing offensively. He's also never played for a team that would have the caliber of offense we're looking to have going forward.
 
Anthony5967 said:
Neither are soft but it goes back to my original point that neither have even set foot on American Hockey League ice let alone everybody wanting to pencil Miller in as a future top-pair LHD and Robertson into the lineup, as well lol. It's like everybody penciling in Lundkvist as the second coming of Fox meanwhile he's never played in North America, which is why many say DeAngelo is expendable. I want to see how they do in the AHL before I start saying Reunanen, Miller, and Robertson make Lindgren expendable. Don't think I'm crazy for feeling that way.
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Miller, according to all reports, was very impressive practicing inside the bubble, so there remains a possibility he can make the lineup at some point this season. Many observers (including keyed-in posters on this site such as @Amazing Kreiderman and @Edge) feel Reunanen could come over this coming season and vie for a spot on the blueline. And, @Edge has inferred that Robertson could very well challenge for a spot in the upcoming training camp, also. No one is penciling them in, but, the opportunities are there for any one of them to challenge for spot as early as this season.
 
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thestonedkoala said:
Also bottom tier? Minnesota and NY were separated by two points this year.
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You're correct, I should've stated stuck in mediocrity. But I also think it's clear which team is on the way up & which team is going the other way. I'm pretty sure you would trade your roster & futures for ours without hesitation.

thestonedkoala said:
Exactly, he needed a spot in the line up. I think he would languished playing in Minnesota as they take their rookies along slowly and he wouldn't have seen the minutes in Minnesota as he did in Vegas.
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He started out his first year in Vegas playing in the AHL or as a healthy scratch. He forced his way into the lineup like he would've in Minny.

thestonedkoala said:
Finally, Minnesota was faced with a significant problem. Would you take Tuch over Brodin or Dumba? At that time? Brodin was and is considered to be one of the best defensive-defensemen in the league. Dumba was coming off an 11 goal, 23 assist season. Hell, Dumba almost had as many goals as Tuch that first season afterwards and had more points this season. Even in his shortened season, Dumba had 30 points less in 42 less games. Not bad.
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The teams that got hit hardest in that expansion draft were the ones that tried to get cute. Anaheim, Florida, the Wild. I get what they were trying to do, but it backfired a bit. I'm also not very big on Dumba, I just think he's really soft, so maybe my view is skewed. Not a guy who interests me, but I understand not wanting to lose him for nothing. Brodin on the other hand was a no brainer.

Comparing anything about Tuch's 19-20 season is pointless, as he was injured in training camp & never got out of the gate. When he finally got healthy, he was cheapshotted into the boards & was immediately out again with a concussion. Since the restart, he's been the player you expect him to be.
 
Trxjw said:
I think Sergachev has a ton of potential. I'm just worried about preemptively paying for it at this point. At least Trouba was somewhat of a known quantity.

Brodin is what he is for the most part but he's also almost exactly what we need. A minute eater who instantly takes our defense to a new level. I also wouldn't put it past him to take a step forward offensively with a new opportunity. The offense never came in Minny but he's certainly capable of contributing offensively. He's also never played for a team that would have the caliber of offense we're looking to have going forward.
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Why exactly is Tampa moving Sergachev? Even with a mythical offer sheet, which Tampa is more than likely to match, how is Tampa willing to move on from him? (This is not directed at you.) And, if the Rangers concoct an offer sheet that Tampa passes up, I fear what it the cap ramifications for the Rangers would be.
 
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jas said:
Why exactly is Tampa moving Sergachev? Even with a mythical offer sheet, which Tampa is more than likely to match, how is Tampa willing to move on from him? (This is not directed at you.) And, if the Rangers concoct an offer sheet that Tampa passes up, I fear what it the cap ramifications for the Rangers would be.
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Not to speak for Ola but I think he's using the offer sheet as a mechanism to pick him up. I agree that I don't think they'd let him go. I think they might be preparing to lose McDonagh in expansion and need Sergachev to take on an even bigger role. Plus I think they have plenty of viable trade candidates to clear salary.
 
Only chance the Rangers can offersheet someone like Sergachev is if Hank retires, otherwise fugheddaboutit.

Easy solution is to just move one of the RHD to the left side, then you don't have to worry about it.
 
@Edge sorry if you answered this, but one question.

During your conversations, did you get the sense that anything on the trade front was close? Or do you think it's something that makes it way to the draft.

Thanks again for all the info.
 
rangers1314 said:
@Edge sorry if you answered this, but one question.

During your conversations, did you get the sense that anything on the trade front was close? Or do you think it's something that makes it way to the draft.

Thanks again for all the info.
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There was nothing immenent as of this weekend. I think the Rangers are doing their prep work for the draft and possibly checking in with their own free agents.
 
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Trxjw said:
Not to speak for Ola but I think he's using the offer sheet as a mechanism to pick him up. I agree that I don't think they'd let him go. I think they might be preparing to lose McDonagh in expansion and need Sergachev to take on an even bigger role. Plus I think they have plenty of viable trade candidates to clear salary.
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McDonagh has a full NTC. He can't be exposed unless he waives.
 
GAGLine said:
We wouldn't. We just wouldn't submit the paperwork to re-sign him until after the expansion draft.
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So, we'd expose him on the gamble that Seattle wouldn't claim him and try to sign him themselves, or trade his rights to another interested team? Seems risky.
 
jas said:
Why exactly is Tampa moving Sergachev? Even with a mythical offer sheet, which Tampa is more than likely to match, how is Tampa willing to move on from him? (This is not directed at you.) And, if the Rangers concoct an offer sheet that Tampa passes up, I fear what it the cap ramifications for the Rangers would be.
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They have Hedman and McDonagh locked up on the left side for the next half decade. They have limited cap space (5M) and a minimum 7 spots to fill, including re-signing Cirelli and Sergachev. Either they need to clear space out via trade or they will be moving on from these guys. I suspect the former. I'm sure they can find a taker for a guy like Palat or Gourde.
 
jas said:
I'm sorry, but, I know some people have fallen in love with Lindgren, but, given that all three of Miller, Robertson and Reunanen have higher upsides, and all three are expected to to have a shot at pushing for a spot in the upcoming season, being better than Lindgren is not exactly a high bar to scale.
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Going to disagree here a bit. They may certainly have higher upsides, but then then need to hit it Lindgren's play as a rookie was pretty fantastic overall. And he provides what they others don't. You do not expose a player like that. Having a higher upside, does not always translate into being better NHL players.
 
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