Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[East Coast Bias]

How much of the Tony D return from Vegas do you think we end up sending to Buffalo in a package for Eichel?

/ducks

 

[Avery16]

#57pointsbarelymakessecondline

I'm glad were finally on the same page about that. 57 points is not good enough for a 2C were building around.

 

[Levitate]

we're building around a 2C?

 

[Thirty One]

How much of the Tony D return from Vegas do you think we end up sending to Buffalo in a package for Eichel?

/ducks

I think very little. Think they get Krebs in that trade and he helps offset the loss of Chytil in the Eichel trade.

 

[Avery16]

we're building around a 2C?

Hopefully not Strome.

 

[Trxjw]

As much as I love the base of Krebs and Tuch for DeAngelo, that also seems like the kind of deal where it goes down and someone like Lemieux, Gauthier or Howden ends up as the add on the Rangers side of things.

 

[Levitate]

I didn't know you built around a 2C

seems like a back asswords way to do it

 

[True Blue]

I'm glad were finally on the same page about that. 57 points is not good enough for a 2C were building around.

Like I said, statistics prove you to be wrong as far as to what is and what is not second line production. That you have come up with your own criteria while sticking your head in the sand and ignoring facts just so you can pat yourself on the back is your own issue.

 

[NYR]

Question.. And I can't recall but was ADA ever paired with Lindgren at any point this season?

 

[True Blue]

Tough to define "better" here. They're both really good play making centers with good two-way ability, higher-end motors, and quality intangibles. There were doubts in his draft year about whether or not Krebs had the offensive potential to be a top-six center and he probably made some folks into believers with his D+1 season. Glass, on the other hand, had the higher offensive ceiling but has been plagued by injuries since being drafted.

A year ago it's Glass easily over Krebs for me. Now it's considerably closer.

That is an excellent way to summarize it.

 

[carminejr]

Ray Bourque would like a word.

Ok what’s your point? Randomly blurting out a HOF defenseman?

 

[Avery16]

Like I said, statistics prove you to be wrong as far as to what is and what is not second line production. That you have come up with your own criteria while sticking your head in the sand and ignoring facts just so you can pat yourself on the back is your own issue.

…are the statistics… #indisputable?

 

[Avery16]

Ok what’s your point? Randomly blurting out a HOF defenseman?

There are plenty of sub-6' D out there that can completely control a game. Let's not institute a height requirement.

 

[ETTER DE]

If the Jackets couldn't re-sign Jones what makes you think that Buffalo is going to?
Canes don't have the finances.

Like I said: "Jackets have Jones. A player they might be worried that they can not resign in two years time. A team like Buffalo would love him, even for 18 months and trade him if they cant resign him. (Remember, Buffalo will not go into a rebuild. If they trade Eichel, it will be for pieces they think could improve their team overall.) And with other assets like Anderson and Merklins etc. they should definitely be able to put up a good offer."

A player like Eichel will boost Hurricanes finances.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Maybe not Gorton, but I'm sure the Rangers are very aware about what's said on the show.

Now I’d like to think that whoever was listening to it just cut a clip and emailed it to Vegas

 

[True Blue]

…are the statistics… #indisputable?

What are you disputing? That there are 31 teams and that means that 93 players man the top line? Or that there are 186 players that man the top-2 lines? Or that 57 points lands you on the top lines as far as production goes.

Or maybe you have a huge list of 57 point third line players?

 

[mas0764]

That would and frankly should probably do the trick. The question that follows is if this is the move that the franchise should be making.

Hence why I said "and would make plenty of sense for the Rangers."

Why wouldn't it be the right move? It's not giving up "too much," to my mind.

Granted Eichel doesn't address the need for a defensive forward/center, but he's a true #1 and we are now therefore insured against any post-Zibanejad period, so I think it's definitely not simply a luxury.

Does it cause to many salary cap problems?

It probably makes things tight at some point... it probably means Kreider is moved before the end of the 7 years, which is fine to my mind. It also might mean either Zibanejad takes a discount or is moved near the end of his current deal as well.

Both those would be acceptable worst case scenarios for me to have a 23 year old #1 to grow with Kakko and Lafreniere. To me, that is way more important than trying to win during a Panarin window (which is what catering to a Zibanejad extension does).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Question.. And I can't recall but was ADA ever paired with Lindgren at any point this season?

According to Natural Stat Trick, only 36 min of 5v5 time were the two together and 39 minutes at all strengths, so very little.

 

[Avery16]

What are you disputing? That there are 31 teams and that means that 93 players man the top line? Or that there are 186 players that man the top-2 lines? Or that 57 points lands you on the top lines as far as production goes.

Or maybe you have a huge list of 57 point third line players?

 

[True Blue]

Yeah, in absence of being able to mount anything that resembles intelligent thought, this is what I thought someone of your caliber would respond with.

 

[Avery16]

Yeah, in absence of being able to mount anything that resembles intelligent thought, this is what I thought someone of your caliber would respond with.

At a certain point, there really is nothing to discuss with someone who believes Strome deserves a multiyear deal to be 2C.

 

[Thirty One]

You guys, we have an important week ahead. We need to be a united front.

 

[True Blue]

Hence why I said "and would make plenty of sense for the Rangers."

Why wouldn't it be the right move? It's not giving up "too much," to my mind.

Granted Eichel doesn't address the need for a defensive forward/center, but he's a true #1 and we are now therefore insured against any post-Zibanejad period, so I think it's definitely not simply a luxury.

Does it cause to many salary cap problems?

It probably makes things tight at some point... it probably means Kreider is moved before the end of the 7 years, which is fine to my mind. It also might mean either Zibanejad takes a discount or is moved near the end of his current deal as well.

Both those would be acceptable worst case scenarios for me to have a 23 year old #1 to grow with Kakko and Lafreniere. To me, that is way more important than trying to win during a Panarin window (which is what catering to a Zibanejad extension does).

No, it is not giving up too much. Like I said, that is about what I would expect a package for an Eichel to go for.

You list the biggest concern that I have, which is the need for defense to improve and diversification of the roster. You are also hanging on ZBad's head that he is playing his last full season with the Rangers. There is no way that the team will be able to resign him and pay Eichel and Panarin. He is not going to take a discount, nor should he.

Sometime in the mid term, the cap ramifications are going to come into play.

In short, I am not sure that it is the right move at the right time.

 

[True Blue]

At a certain point, there really is nothing to discuss with someone who believes Strome deserves a multiyear deal to be 2C.

Yeah, those 70 points that he was trending for are the surest sign of mediocrity. There is also a world of difference when discussing a multi-year deal as it would be for several years or for 7

 

[Off Sides]

You guys, we have an important week ahead. We need to be a united front.

To be honest, I am surprised national coffee day has gone as well as it has to this point.