Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[Vegas Ranger]

DeAngelo , Howden/Anderson for Tuch , McNabb , and Krebs/Glass. Tuch & McNabb make 7,250,000 between them they can sign Tony D for between 5,500.000 and 6,500,000 contract.Howden/Anderson ,Krebs/Glass cancel out all on ELC's.

 

[mas0764]

I am not hanging my head on an Eichel hypothetical trade. If he has another season that resembles what he just did, he is absolutley going to get that much from the Rangers. That is what elite, two way top line centers should be making.

I was saying if the hypothetical Eichel trade happened now, for Chytil - ADA - 22OA - D prospect (Miller?), that's what it signals to Zibanejad. That he's probably not getting Panarin money from us.

I don't think it excludes him taking a decent (though not huge) discount to stay here. But he's not gonna get $10, $11m here.

If he wants to get that more than stay, then that's an outcome I'd live with, and yes, I'd probably try to move him at the end of his final contract year season's trade deadline. And I'm sure you'd get a ridiculous haul of prospects and picks back.

If he wants to stay for a discount, then that happens.

Either way I'd make that above-referenced Eichel deal today and then deal with the fallout later. Maybe in 2 years you can move Kreider and keep Zibanejad, who knows what will happen?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Tuch is a nice piece on paper but people would grow tired of him quickly. He’s always been a kreider lite, but he plays the disappearing act even more than kreids. Great wheels and size but he’s an enigma with injury concerns.

I've made the Kreider comparisons in the past with Tuch, but he's got better puck skills than CK does. He does disappear from time to time, but he's still only 24 & hasn't received top 6 minutes consistently due to Vegas' depth on the wing.

Sounds like they're doing their diligence on fall-back options in the event they can't get Pietrangelo as a FA. Probably checked in on Dumba as well. If they miss out on their FA target and have to resort to a trade then they might have to part with a guy they like or settle for something less.

Agreed. I think ADA is a great fit for Vegas, especially when you enter dollars into the equation. They have a ton of salary to move out to fit AP, which seems extremely limiting going forward. I could be totally wrong on Tuch moving, but I think the Knights view him as a top 6, core piece going forward, especially since he's locked in for 6 more years at a very reasonable cap hit.

 

[Mikos87]

From what I've read:

In January 2019, Glass suffered a sprained LCL, swelling on MCL & bruising on bone. He sustained a concussion from Lemieux in December; a bone bruise on his leg in January after he collided with Bouwmeester, and season-ending knee surgery in March.

Great player, but the recent injury history is concerning

Is he another Hamill or Tuebert is the question. Cause the kid doesn't look like he put on any weight in 3 years.

 

[bobbop]

blew out his Achilles, i believe he bounced back very well but others should chime in as well...

Krebs didn't blow out his achilles. He was cut by a skate and it was partially severed. Erik Karlsson has a similar injury several years ago.

 

[bobbop]

I've been out for three hours. Hopefully the Eichel stuff has permanently gone away.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I wonder when we start seeing some of these moves potentially reach the finish line. I know Edge mentioned some things around the league could start happening in the next 48-72 hours but it sure seems like some teams want to wait until free agency.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Is he another Hamill or Tuebert is the question. Cause the kid doesn't look like he put on any weight in 3 years.

It's ironic (to me anyway) as I thought Suzuki would be the guy who was built too slightly to handle NHL level hockey. He's filled out while Glass still looks like a teenager.

 

[Mikos87]

How did Krebs play after his recovery ? I remember he had a pretty serious injury just before the draft.

I don't think he's a smart get. Especially for DeAngelo. Krebs is going to be a Sam Bennet at best imo. Guys that can't score in the Dub don't score in the NHL. I like Hague and Whitecloud much better on the Vegas blueline.

There is no way ADA goes in a trade where Krebs is the centerpiece. You are moving a 50-60 point RHD for a 20-30 point 4th line winger. Package? Even then.

 

[Trxjw]

Agreed. I think ADA is a great fit for Vegas, especially when you enter dollars into the equation. They have a ton of salary to move out to fit AP, which seems extremely limiting going forward. I could be totally wrong on Tuch moving, but I think the Knights view him as a top 6, core piece going forward, especially since he's locked in for 6 more years at a very reasonable cap hit.

I can absolutely see that being the case. Tuch is a great fit for the Rangers but for all those reasons he's also a guy I could see Vegas not wanting to part with. So while we all speculate it could be that the Rangers have felt out the market on Tony and think getting a Krebs or Glass with a couple role players is something they're willing to take. Hell, maybe Vegas sweetens the pot and throws another prospect the Rangers love on the table and suddenly the "We don't want prospects for Tony" guard comes down and it turns into a "Yeah, Krebs and Dugan and now we're talking."

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Like I said: "Jackets have Jones. A player they might be worried that they can not resign in two years time. A team like Buffalo would love him, even for 18 months and trade him if they cant resign him. (Remember, Buffalo will not go into a rebuild. If they trade Eichel, it will be for pieces they think could improve their team overall.) And with other assets like Anderson and Merklins etc. they should definitely be able to put up a good offer."

A player like Eichel will boost Hurricanes finances.

A rebuilding team isn’t trading their star player for a someone they are going to have to trade in a year and a half.

No one in south or North Carolina could pick Eichel out of a lineup. Let’s not pretend they are suddenly gonna have a packed arena if he went there.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I don't think he's a smart get. Especially for DeAngelo. Krebs is going to be a Sam Bennet at best imo. Guys that can't score in the Dub don't score in the NHL. I like Hague and Whitecloud much better on the Vegas blueline.

There is no way ADA goes in a trade where Krebs is the centerpiece. You are moving a 50-60 point RHD for a 20-30 point 4th line winger. Package? Even then.

If the Rangers are still convinced that he's a top 9 scorer then theyll do it. I would prefer Glass but I doubt he would be available. Something like Tuch+Whitecloud would be interesting.

 

[Trxjw]

I've been out for three hours. Hopefully the Eichel stuff has permanently gone away.

We're just trading DeAngelo to Vegas for pieces we need for Eichel. Don't give up hope.

 

[kovazub94]

I was saying if the hypothetical Eichel trade happened now, for Chytil - ADA - 22OA - D prospect (Miller?), that's what it signals to Zibanejad. That he's probably not getting Panarin money from us.

I don't think it excludes him taking a decent (though not huge) discount to stay here. But he's not gonna get $10, $11m here.

If he wants to get that more than stay, then that's an outcome I'd live with, and yes, I'd probably try to move him at the end of his final contract year season's trade deadline. And I'm sure you'd get a ridiculous haul of prospects and picks back.

If he wants to stay for a discount, then that happens.

Either way I'd make that above-referenced Eichel deal today and then deal with the fallout later. Maybe in 2 years you can move Kreider and keep Zibanejad, who knows what will happen?

Pretty much all of us should be fine with taking Eichel now and losing Zibanejad two years from now (and restocking some of the assets moved in obtaining Eichel). Even if hockey-wise today the difference is not significant, maintaining this level down the road definitely points in Eichel's favor. Again, at this point this discussion is A LOT more theoretical (compared to other discussions)

 

[Boris Zubov]

If the Rangers are still convinced that he's a top 9 scorer then theyll do it. I would prefer Glass but I doubt he would be available. Something like Tuch+Whitecloud would be interesting.

Whitecloud is the only actual right-handed shooting D they have on their current roster. With the way he played in the playoffs, how he defends & kills penalties, being on an ELC, etc., Vegas is not moving him. They are up against the cap badly, so trading young guys like him makes no sense.

 

[Mikos87]

On Eichel:

I posted about it after the Staal trade, something or somethings were up, and imo it could have been two options in my opinion:

1. You have someone available that normally wouldn't be and you have a potential fleece job.
2. You are adding veteran depth and those guys are not going to be on ELCs or <$1m contracts.

To me if it's a situation where Eich is stating that he only wants to come to NY, a la Rick Nash or MSL... and you have that fleece job waiting.... I mean I like Eich. What's not to like about Eich?

IMO the Rangers can make a move for Eichel and not be a team that gets weaker. But BUF... man alive you are trading Eich, you are doing it to erase all of your sins. Get players that can play right away and for a long time.

I think a really big question is if you can bring Nils over this year. Because if you can... you're going to be able to make those deals from a position of strength. I'm pretty sure BUF acquired Staal to get a veteran center that can slot right behind Eich. But I can say this: BUF needs to fill out an NHL roster, and I don't know of too many guys that want to go there. It's the same with WPG as well, and why you hear the Laine rumors. When you can't draw free agents... and you don't have a farm... and you don't have enough bodies to fill out an NHL roster... you're going to have to make a trade.

 

[Thirty One]

I've been out for three hours. Hopefully the Eichel stuff has permanently gone away.

Thanks for reminding us where are focus should be.

With Eichel, do we just accept that PP1 with be very right-handed? I think we need to.
------------Kreider----------
Panarin-Zibanejad-Eichel
--------DeAngelo/Fox------

 

[LeetchisGod]

So here's your update for today:

Vegas pinged the Rangers last night and again this morning inquiring about ADA.

No, I don't have official confirmation on who they are targeting at this time but most guesses on here would likely be in the ballpark.

Love all your info. Greatly appreciated.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Like I said: "Jackets have Jones. A player they might be worried that they can not resign in two years time. A team like Buffalo would love him, even for 18 months and trade him if they cant resign him. (Remember, Buffalo will not go into a rebuild. If they trade Eichel, it will be for pieces they think could improve their team overall.) And with other assets like Anderson and Merklins etc. they should definitely be able to put up a good offer."

A player like Eichel will boost Hurricanes finances.

So Buffalo is going to trade Eichel for 18 months of a player as the Center piece?

Like this is beyond trying to stretch to make a connection. Plus I'm almost positive that the Jackets are an internal budget team. Eichel's 10 M dollar ticket is probably too rich for them.

 

[Mikos87]

If the Rangers are still convinced that he's a top 9 scorer then theyll do it. I would prefer Glass but I doubt he would be available. Something like Tuch+Whitecloud would be interesting.

One of the things I try to suss out is how much of the group think on these boards affects player affinity. I've been a Tuch fan for a while, called him a RH Chris Kreider before Michaletti did on the broadcasts. He is one of the best values in the league and Vegas has no reason to trade him other than helping their defense.... and they have a very good "RD" in Shea Theodore.

The two defensemen who provided the most offense in the playoffs this year outside of Hedman played on their off-sides in the Scott Neidermayer role. Shea was trained by him, and Scott calls Heiskanen as the player who most resembles his game (he does, you have to really know hockey to appreciate it, Miro is a monster).

I don't see a Tuch deal, but I can see Vegas trying to move salary out. It's funny I didn't have Vegas in the cup, but I had them in the final four just due to their path in the playoffs. The main reason was that they have a turnstyle on D with a couple of their guys, they take a lot of bad penalties. Does DeAngelo help that? They like Size. They like Pietrangelo. So if you take salary on from Vegas, so that they can sign Petro, I think that's more plausible move from Vegas.

They want minute eaters.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Guys I sorta dodged death again!
I was at Tim Hortons and there was a shooting literally right outside the window on the street! Two cars shooting at each other! Crazy!

 

[Avery16]

NHL Rumor Mill – September 29, 2020 | Spectors Hockey

Nick Goss, meanwhile, cited TSN’s Frank Seravalli suggesting Taylor Hall might be a good fit with the Bruins. The 28-year-old Arizona Coyotes left winger is also a pending UFA. Seravalli wondered what the Bruins will do with restricted free agent winger Jake DeBrusk, adding they won’t need to re-sign him if they pursue Hall.

 

[Leetch3]

Krebs didn't blow out his achilles. He was cut by a skate and it was partially severed. Erik Karlsson has a similar injury several years ago.

karlsson isn't the same since the injury but he is also getting older....any reports on krebs skating this year?

 

[Polar Bear]

I can't take this Eichel talk anymore. It's not happening until next off-season at the earliest.

 

[Mikos87]

Whitecloud is the only actual right-handed shooting D they have on their current roster. With the way he played in the playoffs, how he defends & kills penalties, being on an ELC, etc., Vegas is not moving him. They are up against the cap badly, so trading young guys like him makes no sense.

He was better than Hague as a rookie, but the Hague-Whitecloud pair absolutely dominated AHL competition. Think they are trying to get Hague to learn how to defend the rush and arials a little better. Once he does, you have another monster on the backend. He's got a reach that covers a lot of ground, but if he gets turned, or if faster forwards play a two man game with him, he's a little vulnerable. Would love to add Hague, but I am not sure if they move him.