Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

[Graves94]

What about pursuing Philip Danault the Montreal center. I think he’s a UFA after next season. Maybe a sign and trade.

He'll be too expensive as a #3C...

 

[Kovalev27]

What about pursuing Philip Danault the Montreal center. I think he’s a UFA after next season. Maybe a sign and trade.

ive mentioned him multiple times in this thread. It’s a matter of is he going to be avail and what’s his asking price to extend. He makes ALOT of sense for us. But he does not want to be a 3C

 

[Leetch3]

ive mentioned him multiple times in this thread. It’s a matter of is he going to be avail and what’s his asking price to extend. He makes ALOT of sense for us. But he does not want to be a 3C

he doesn't want to be PAID like a 3c lol

 

[Anthony5967]

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote you wouldn't have this take on it. The issue is the buyout not that the Rangers "needed" him and I've never ripped ADA's game - he's been a really pleasant surprise. The Trouba trade facilitated the need to buyout Shattenkirk and Fox hadn't played an NHL game yet.

Ok, so they signed him (the NYR). We didn't have Hedman. Shattenkirk, if kept, was a top-pair RHD on this team? Come on. He had to be bought out. The signing was garbage. End of story. In a year, we won't even have to worry about it. He's contributing to a team three games from the Stanley Cup final while playing a PP with top-end players and getting shifts with Hedman, as you just said "anybody will benefit from playing with Hedman, no shit." The NYR situation sucked. If you took a poll, I guarantee majority of this board would rather have Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo over Shattenkirk, Fox, DeAngelo, and so would the Rangers' front office.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

he doesn't want to be PAID like a 3c lol

I have no interest in paying him like a 2C and then play him as a 3C.

 

[Anthony5967]

I wonder if Yanni Gourde is a guy the NYR would be interested in this offseason. Lightning need to sign Sergachev and Cirelli. I know Gourde is playing some C because Stamkos is out, but, damn, I'd love to have his speed, forechecking ability, snarl, and PK'ing ability in the middle-six.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Hank was a 7th. You never know?

That valuation was also being generous, I really don't think a team is going to be going after a bottom six player hard enough that they're going to trade for their rights

 

[Ola]

I wonder if Yanni Gourde is a guy the NYR would be interested in this offseason. Lightning need to sign Sergachev and Cirelli. I know Gourde is playing some C because Stamkos is out, but, damn, I'd love to have his speed, forechecking ability, snarl, and PK'ing ability in the middle-six.

I like Gourde a lot. He is one of those centers that I really think can lift someone like Kakko, without being a 8-10m player.

 

[haohmaru]

Ok, so they signed him (the NYR). We didn't have Hedman. Shattenkirk, if kept, was a top-pair RHD on this team? Come on. He had to be bought out. The signing was garbage. End of story. In a year, we won't even have to worry about it. He's contributing to a team three games from the Stanley Cup final while playing a PP with top-end players and getting shifts with Hedman, as you just said "anybody will benefit from playing with Hedman, no shit." The NYR situation sucked. If you took a poll, I guarantee majority of this board would rather have Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo over Shattenkirk, Fox, DeAngelo, and so would the Rangers' front office.

Again, not reading what I wrote - I specifically he's not a 1D and never has been. My argument was against the buyout, not that Shattenkirk is a better player than Trouba.

Is DeAngelo a given in '20-21? Nope. Know why? Because we have 7.5M in dead cap space and 1.5M additional being paid to Trouba. DeAngelo is arbitration eligible, coming off a 53 point season as the 4th highest scoring D in the league. He's going to cost. Dearly.

 

[Anthony5967]

I like Gourde a lot. He is one of those centers that I really think can lift someone like Kakko, without being a 8-10m player.

I think his speed in the d-zone on the PK would be big, too. Nice Fast-like replacement for a guy who can score and play C.

 

[jay from jersey]

I’d be more inclined to go towards Dunn than Brodin

If everything goes right for skinner I see him becoming a player very similar to Dunn. Big if though

 

[egelband]

I don't remember the exact quote but Hayes mentioned on Chiclets that one year it finally clicked for him and he had to start putting in the work if he wanted to go Pro.

Yep. All these guys have that lightbulb moment. Some sooner than others. But a guy like Hayes is so gifted he could float and still be pretty good. But once that switch was flipped and he turned it up, he became an excellent pro and I kind of think, he’s going to make that contract he got look pretty good. I don’t think it was right for the Rangers, timing was just wrong. But he is real durable, doesn’t rely on speed, and has a good head for the game. I’ve changed my turn on that deal. (Again, fine that it’s not with the Rangers).
Also, incidentally, I think it kind of reflects nicely on the Rangers. The Hayes story is another example of a player doing well for being a Ranger. Now more than ever employment is a two-way street. And any perceived edge for the Rangers is good. Makes the whole Lias thing even more baffling.

 

[egelband]

They did extend him for 2 years but this wouldn't be the first time a team extended a player and then traded him

Yep. And trading a guy to the Rangers isn’t the same as trading a guy to, say, Ottawa or Minnesota. (Sorry).

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He'll be too expensive as a #3C...

Im not advocating for him but he would work as a 2c on this team. His defensive play would be a nice addition to our scoring lines especially if Fast isn't in the top 6, my issue is that i feel he's gonna be fairly expensive for us.

 

[Cag29]

ive mentioned him multiple times in this thread. It’s a matter of is he going to be avail and what’s his asking price to extend. He makes ALOT of sense for us. But he does not want to be a 3C

Is he good enough to be our second line center?

 

[egelband]

Interesting autocorrect there.

I assume @Leetch3 was talking about Billy Squier. But, why???

 

[Tob]

Strome has every motivation to stay in NY and have another season to solidify his career going forward. If he's willing to give a discount on a short deal for the Rangers one cap crunch year, then it's pointless at this point to be trading for Danault or other center that will need deals and won't be inclined to give discounts on $ or term compared to Strome.

 

[Krams]

Again, not reading what I wrote - I specifically he's not a 1D and never has been. My argument was against the buyout, not that Shattenkirk is a better player than Trouba.

Is DeAngelo a given in '20-21? Nope. Know why? Because we have 7.5M in dead cap space and 1.5M additional being paid to Trouba. DeAngelo is arbitration eligible, coming off a 53 point season as the 4th highest scoring D in the league. He's going to cost. Dearly.

You keep shoehorning the notion that Shattenkirk's buyout has put this team in dire straits with the cap and it's just not true. I haven't come across a single media source that has expressed serious doubt that the Rangers will be able to keep the team together, or that they will be forced to part with valuable assets for pennies on the dollar because they can't make things work. Is it somewhat tight? Yes, but every team needs to navigate cap every season and the Rangers have plenty of options to make it work. This is not a Tampa situation where they have no room to breathe and practically the entire team has NMCs. DeAngelo is not going to be a cap casualty. More likely than not, Lundqvist will not be on the team next year. Either he 1) retires and frees up $8.5M 2) is bought out and frees up $3M or 3) is traded at 50% retention and saves $4.25M. If by some chance Lundqvist returns next year as the back-up to Shesterkin, then Staal is going to be bought out. Saves $2.13M and corresponding moves can be made to free up more, like trading Strome.

Even if, for some bizarre reason, none of the above happens and they decide to keep Strome over ADA, DeAngelo built up a tremendous amount of value with the season he had and the Rangers will absolutely cash in via trade. What gave DeAngelo the opportunity to break out? Buying out Shattenkirk and acquiring Trouba.

 

[Mikos87]

I wonder if Yanni Gourde is a guy the NYR would be interested in this offseason. Lightning need to sign Sergachev and Cirelli. I know Gourde is playing some C because Stamkos is out, but, damn, I'd love to have his speed, forechecking ability, snarl, and PK'ing ability in the middle-six.

Very good player but he's pricey. I don't think the Rangers add without moving out a piece. In an extreme scenario; buying out Smith, Staal, Henrik, with Shattenkirk, Girardi's buyouts would eat: $19.2M in the cap next year, and that drops to $7.5M the following year. It would be much better if they can get a bail out with some 50% trades on two of these guys.

 

[egelband]

Not necessarily. ADA and Buch are possible options for other deals and so it could be a matter of shuffling salary allocations.

If ADA ends up being traded, Smith continues his role as a utlity player for the team until Lundkvist arrives in 2021.

Is there a sense that the team doesn’t want to shake up things? Like, maybe nothing happens at all? I kind of lean toward just letting things shake out. See what materializes.
Or do you feel they have a specific agenda? A shopping list...?

 

[Ghost of jas]

If everything goes right for skinner I see him becoming a player very similar to Dunn. Big if though

He's also an RHD, and the chatter has been finding an LHD to play next to Trouba, hence the discussion regarding Dunn,

 

[RGY]

I wonder if Yanni Gourde is a guy the NYR would be interested in this offseason. Lightning need to sign Sergachev and Cirelli. I know Gourde is playing some C because Stamkos is out, but, damn, I'd love to have his speed, forechecking ability, snarl, and PK'ing ability in the middle-six.

I have always liked Gourde. But have also been concerned with where his ceiling is VS what Tampa’s ask would be. He has looked really good in these playoffs. Zipping around the ice. A very nice middle 6 option and like you said plays with an edge.

But ultimately I think Tampa retools it a bit by moving out/not re-signing Paquette, Killorn, Johnson before they move Gourde or Cirelli, although they would get better returns for the latter. And one thing these playoffs have kinda shown is they can somewhat live without Stamkos. But I doubt they can seamlessly move his contract out.

EDIT: Had no idea Gourde was 28. Thought he was 26. Maybe Tampa would consider moving him.

 

[egelband]

This was the first time Dunn's name came up.

Surprised to hear Andersson has as much interest as he does.

Enlightening to hear how highly the team spoke of Lapierre and Greig in the draft. Level of intrigue with Biondi.

If there’s interest in Lias, that indicates to me that last year could have been an anomaly. Or a learning experience. Maybe he‘s not a lost cause.

 

[bobbop]

What about pursuing Philip Danault the Montreal center. I think he’s a UFA after next season. Maybe a sign and trade.

You're a little late on this one.

 

[RGY]

Is he good enough to be our second line center?

I dont see it. I just don’t with Danault. I think our desperation to find a center with what seems like limited options out there is skewing our judgement here. He is a 3rd line center through and through. Sometimes shows he can be serviceable as a 2C. It’s a similar overall feel to Dvorak. The bigger problem with Danault is you will have to give up assets AND sign him to an extension in which he has already made it clear he wants to get PAID like he is a 2C.

I’m in the thumbs down camp for Danault. If the Rangers were in their window of cup contention and Danault was a missing piece to their team structure, then maybe I take that risk of paying assets and even overpaying what he is worth in his extension. But despite all the breaks they have had, they are not in their window yet. They still have a lot of questions to be answered. Danault just isn’t the right fit for next year and moving forward.

Rather someone who has better offensive upside and/or is signed past next year. Elias Lindholm and Monahan are the two that come to mind.