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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

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NYR Viper said:
not stupid if they move Strome and Buch and like Mantha more long term
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Seems odd to add another winger with less production than both those players on the cusp of a UFA contract. We already have quite a few players that are going to require some gymnastics to resign long term. Kinda feels like a move for moves sake.

Unless its Andersson straight up. At this point I really don't think that dude is going to play for this team and Detroit could offer him a pretty good opportunity.
 
BBKers said:
A. Mantha might be a target, I heard just now. Would cost a bit, but interesting... He is likely on the older side in Detroits rebuild process. Fits better into our timeline. Younger assets would go the other way
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Interesting!

Mantha definitely has some potential to take another big step in this development. He is that type that when he gets the upper hand against a defense due to his strength, reach and so forth -- he really takes advantage of it. Rub it in. I wouldn't be shocked if he all of a sudden scored 50 goals in an odd season. Not by himself of course, but if he wound up in a really strong environment. With that said, the fact that we are looking at a big "vet" PF is of course a bit surprising. RFA that surely won't be cheap.
 
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Brodin makes sense since MN needs to shake things up . 1st plus Hajek and Andersson for a signed Brodin
 
BBKers said:
A. Mantha might be a target, I heard just now. Would cost a bit, but interesting... He is likely on the older side in Detroits rebuild process. Fits better into our timeline. Younger assets would go the other way
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Would cost a lot he’s like their only good player . It’s not pretty they are gonna need like 3 yrs to come even close to the playoffs IMO
 
Deangelo, excellent offensively, below average defensively. If he wasn't playing sheltered minutes behind fox and trouba it would be a horror show. Unless he learns to play d he can't be paid 5 mill on this team long term because a 5 mill dman on this team needs to be in the top 4 and if his matchups get tougher he will get eaten alive like he did vs carolina. He needed to have that part of his game figured out before this contract came up. I still think they sign him to a short contract and move him before before the contract is over. If I could snag a young center or LD out of him id do it in a heartbeat, especially considering we have the best dman not playing in the nhl waiting for a spot on rd.
Now, please tell me again how he is a top 10 d in one area of hockey.
 
Vitto79 said:
Would cost a lot he’s like their only good player . It’s not pretty they are gonna need like 3 yrs to come even close to the playoffs IMO
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Id take Larkin if i was looking at anyone there. Does Deangelo and Anderson, maybe a 2nd get it done?
 
We aren't having these conversations if Tony is a LHD. We're really only here b/c I dont think anyone expected Fox to explode like this so quickly. Knowing what we know now, maybe we don't make the Trouba trade and just find a really solid defensive RHD for cheaper, keeping Tony and Fox.

But it all boils down to position really. Any suggestion otherwise is silly.
 
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NYR Viper said:
not stupid if they move Strome and Buch and like Mantha more long term
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The only (big) prohibitive is Mantha’s new contract. The fact that he’s not a center is another thing as wingers is a lesser need to the Rangers than LD or C.
 
I am open to considering moving DeAngelo--not actively shopping him, but I'd listen if someone asked--but we really need to be careful. Fox looked like a burgeoning star, but I remember Skjei looking like a future stud after his first year and Del Zotto also looking like he was going to be special. Now, neither of them played to Fox's level, but they were both very young, very good, and looked to have very promising futures. And then (for whatever reasons) both reverted to some level of mediocrity for the rest of their careers.

I would hate to move DeAngelo because we're counting on Fox to continue being amazing and Lunkdvist to be a big-time player, and then we end up with Fox regressing and Lundkvist being some marginal player.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I am open to considering moving DeAngelo--not actively shopping him, but I'd listen if someone asked--but we really need to be careful. Fox looked like a burgeoning star, but I remember Skjei looking like a future stud after his first year and Del Zotto also looking like he was going to be special. Now, neither of them played to Fox's level, but they were both very young, very good, and looked to have very promising futures. And then (for whatever reasons) both reverted to some level of mediocrity for the rest of their careers.

I would hate to move DeAngelo because we're counting on Fox to continue being amazing and Lunkdvist to be a big-time player, and then we end up with Fox regressing and Lundkvist being some marginal player.
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I would agree it doesn’t have to happen cause even if Lundkvist is awesome it’s not insane to start him in the AHL. Likely best move for his development so that’s 2 yrs before he’s a regular
 
usekakkorightquinn said:
This board has long overvalued defenseman points. Their first job is to keep the puck out of the net and TDA is not good at it. He's average on his best days. Things would be much better if Lundkvist came over but the NHL season is starting late so he probably will get a good amount of time next season if the corona crap isn't out of hand. I don't see anyway TDA will be here for much longer.
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Puck possession is a good way to keep it out of your own net. He may not be great defensively one-on-one, but him being on the ice is usually a positive for the Rangers, due to him being a possession player, unlike Staal
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I am open to considering moving DeAngelo--not actively shopping him, but I'd listen if someone asked--but we really need to be careful. Fox looked like a burgeoning star, but I remember Skjei looking like a future stud after his first year and Del Zotto also looking like he was going to be special. Now, neither of them played to Fox's level, but they were both very young, very good, and looked to have very promising futures. And then (for whatever reasons) both reverted to some level of mediocrity for the rest of their careers.

I would hate to move DeAngelo because we're counting on Fox to continue being amazing and Lunkdvist to be a big-time player, and then we end up with Fox regressing and Lundkvist being some marginal player.
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There's no concerns with Fox, for some reason everyone compared Skjei to Mcdonagh but there was a problem, mcdonagh was good at playing D and Skjei was just a big guy who could skate. Fox has both ends of the ice covered already, there is 0 chance he fails outside of injury. Lindqvist might not get to a high level, but all signs point to that not being an issue. At worst he can be a solid 3rd pair d, which is what we need if we moved Deangelo.
 
kovazub94 said:
The only (big) prohibitive is Mantha’s new contract. The fact that he’s not a center is another thing as wingers is a lesser need to the Rangers than LD or C.
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The only way it makes sense is if they don’t see some of their other wingers as long term guys on what team. Like Buch and Strome.

If they really like Mantha that wouldn’t be a surprise. Gorton seems to like his big wingers and Mantha plays with an edge
 
Oh, since Calgary went out we're doing the "playoffs are a different game; need more physical presence" narrative is starting back up.

Uh-huh. As you were.
 
nyr2k2 said:
I am open to considering moving DeAngelo--not actively shopping him, but I'd listen if someone asked--but we really need to be careful. Fox looked like a burgeoning star, but I remember Skjei looking like a future stud after his first year and Del Zotto also looking like he was going to be special. Now, neither of them played to Fox's level, but they were both very young, very good, and looked to have very promising futures. And then (for whatever reasons) both reverted to some level of mediocrity for the rest of their careers.

I would hate to move DeAngelo because we're counting on Fox to continue being amazing and Lunkdvist to be a big-time player, and then we end up with Fox regressing and Lundkvist being some marginal player.
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I like that someone is mentioning the possibility of a sophomore slump and planning for a setback instead of everyone advancing.

I guess the one difference with Skjei is he was forced into a big role too soon. If ADA goes, at least Trouba is still here to take tough assignments. Trouba may struggle at times too (I do think he has a better year and the irony of my statement isn't lost) but the team has an option to shelter a young player. Hopefully they have the infrastructure in place to protect against another Skjei situation.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
There's no concerns with Fox, for some reason everyone compared Skjei to Mcdonagh but there was a problem, mcdonagh was good at playing D and Skjei was just a big guy who could skate. Fox has both ends of the ice covered already, there is 0 chance he fails outside of injury. Lindqvist might not get to a high level, but all signs point to that not being an issue. At worst he can be a solid 3rd pair d, which is what we need if we moved Deangelo.
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This is gonna sound crazy but if Tampa is tight on the cap would we take McD back at 50 off?
 
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Flames got spanked badly. We line up extremely well as trade partners. We have a RHC, RW, RD, and goalie they can groom. They have a couple of good centers in Monahan and Lindholm and multiple options on LD with Hanafin, Valimaki and Kylington. They also have a number of north-south guys who could fit but I think Bennnett played himself into part of the solution recently. Otherwise he would've been a perfect fit.
 
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Trxjw said:
Flames got spanked badly. We line up extremely well as trade partners. We have a RHC, RW, RD, and goalie they can groom. They have a couple of good centers in Monahan and Lindholm and multiple options on LD with Hanafin, Valimaki and Kylington. They also have a number of north-south guys who could fit but I think Bennnett played himself into part of the solution recently. Otherwise he would've been a perfect fit.
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Any interest in Backlund at C?
 
NYR Viper said:
The only way it makes sense is if they don’t see some of their other wingers as long term guys on what team. Like Buch and Strome.

If they really like Mantha that wouldn’t be a surprise. Gorton seems to like his big wingers and Mantha plays with an edge
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Mantha will be a $7m per year for 7-8 years man or something close to it. Even if you subtract Buch and Strome, the Rangers will have Panarin at $11.6 and Kreider at $7 on the books for the next 6-7 years. Kakko will need a big long-term deal in two years, AL in three. How's it going to work?
 
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