Can’t believe how bad they have started off. Likely Will start winning but this leagues so even that this start may have them missing the playoffs
Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part IX: Can't take Staal away from AV
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BBKers
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Not getting Kerfoot and Butcher for "free", where We in both cases evidently were in on it until the end, were also unfortunate developments IMO. They chose the easier path though.
Otoh both would likely be in Hartford knowing our head coach.
Otoh both would likely be in Hartford knowing our head coach.
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I'm sure St. Louis had some oversights over the years too. Point being, drafting is a numbers game to some extent and the Rangers are suffering from having to be near perfect due to limited selections.
BBKers
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OK, this has been beaten to death and then some, but you are in a sense correct. They chose Schwartz first and still snagged Tarasenko. Lucky bastards
If we're slotting guys properly then this is what I see with this team, with missing pieces:
Kreids-1C-1RW
Nash-Zib-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Miller/Buch
Grabs-4thLine-Fast
13th: DD
AHL: Carey
McD-1RD
Skeji-Shatts
Smith-3RD
Hank
Backup
Everyone else is playing above where they should be, system isn't is a fit anymore, coaches can't instill principles.
They may turn it around to ruin the draft pick, but unless there is some miracle 6-8 game winning streak in the next month... this won't even be a .500 team.
Probably looking at one of the worst seasons in 13-15 years.
Kreids-1C-1RW
Nash-Zib-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Miller/Buch
Grabs-4thLine-Fast
13th: DD
AHL: Carey
McD-1RD
Skeji-Shatts
Smith-3RD
Hank
Backup
Everyone else is playing above where they should be, system isn't is a fit anymore, coaches can't instill principles.
They may turn it around to ruin the draft pick, but unless there is some miracle 6-8 game winning streak in the next month... this won't even be a .500 team.
Probably looking at one of the worst seasons in 13-15 years.
They need to fire AV. They have been in every game they have played but have not had enough to push through. To me that is on the coach. He doesnt have the team prepared ever.
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I'm perfectly fine taking a step back this season. If there is a year to do it, this is that year.
The hope I have is that it's recognized and moves to right the ship are not made. While every team is flawed, the Rangers have them in those areas that are hardest to correct in season with out over paying.
Let the younger guys continue to develop, make the appropriate moves to add more to the system and look to fight another day.
If I'm GMJG, I start bringing up Lindquist in conversations to gauge the market. 25% retention on Hank and he's a valuable asset.
The hope I have is that it's recognized and moves to right the ship are not made. While every team is flawed, the Rangers have them in those areas that are hardest to correct in season with out over paying.
Let the younger guys continue to develop, make the appropriate moves to add more to the system and look to fight another day.
If I'm GMJG, I start bringing up Lindquist in conversations to gauge the market. 25% retention on Hank and he's a valuable asset.
NYR Viper
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I think Staal has played very well. I may be in the minority here but he has been joining the rush, breaking up plays, and winning 1 on 1 battles pretty consistently this season. The Rangers dressed 7 defensemen last night which is pretty odd for this team. Were they showcasing someone on the back end and a deal was close? Why didn't Staal play in the 3rd?
It’s hard to make trades. Especially this time of year. Wait until the New Year and the trading deadline for any trades to be made.
Dave Maloney was discussing the Devils last night in the pre-game. They have Hischier and Zacha in the middle. It’s important to have strength down the middle. He brought up the Rangers are trying to do the same thing with Andersson and Chytil. Young centers with upside. The Rangers have Zibanejad signed long-term. What do they do with Kevin Hayes? Lock him long term this summer at a good number and look at trading him in a year or two ala Stepan? Hayes is one year away from Group III. How many years?(3/4 years). The Rangers have the two young centers in their organization. Jeff Gorton said it’s hard to acquire centers and D in trades. The Rangers have added three centers in two summers. They could get a good deal for Hayes. You can make the argument that the Rangers didn’t get enough for Stepan. He has 4 years left and the Rangers were concerned about him going forward. NTC. They didn’t want to be stuck with him. The Coyotes fans are saying Stepan is fat and out of shape. I saw the Bruins and Coyotes last night. He does look a little bigger. Is Stepan one of those guys who signed the big contract and maybe relaxed just a bit? Maybe it’s the burgundy color.
Dave Maloney was discussing the Devils last night in the pre-game. They have Hischier and Zacha in the middle. It’s important to have strength down the middle. He brought up the Rangers are trying to do the same thing with Andersson and Chytil. Young centers with upside. The Rangers have Zibanejad signed long-term. What do they do with Kevin Hayes? Lock him long term this summer at a good number and look at trading him in a year or two ala Stepan? Hayes is one year away from Group III. How many years?(3/4 years). The Rangers have the two young centers in their organization. Jeff Gorton said it’s hard to acquire centers and D in trades. The Rangers have added three centers in two summers. They could get a good deal for Hayes. You can make the argument that the Rangers didn’t get enough for Stepan. He has 4 years left and the Rangers were concerned about him going forward. NTC. They didn’t want to be stuck with him. The Coyotes fans are saying Stepan is fat and out of shape. I saw the Bruins and Coyotes last night. He does look a little bigger. Is Stepan one of those guys who signed the big contract and maybe relaxed just a bit? Maybe it’s the burgundy color.
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Stepan was never a fast skater. He's also played 612 games including playoffs since he's entered the league in 2010. That's a lot of games in 7 years. A lot of hard miles on him already. The Rangers traded him at the perfect time. Personally I think Gorton should have gone after one of PHX's young forwards instead of DeAngelo, but I understand why Gorton wanted DeAngelo to give the team another dimension on the back end in case Shattenkirk didn't sign here. Now with Shattenkirk in the fold for the next four years, DeAngelo is a bit of a redundant piece. He has million dollar talent with a ten cent head. He needs to be playing in Hartford for 25 minutes and developing some more, not sitting in the press box and playing 4 minutes a night in the NHL. He's still very raw.
On Hayes, I'd trade him over the summer or at the deadline. I'm ready to move on from him. He hasn't improved since his rookie year. What we've seen is what we're going to get with him. I think a lot of fans and the front office were hoping he'd take another step last year and this year. It doesn't look like it's in the cards. Another player with million dollar talent and a ten cent head. Hayes would be an all star if he could think the game like Stepan could.
On Vesey while we're at it, I'm willing to give him a one year deal after this one to prove he can show more than what he's shown so far this preseason and first few games. Guy just looks clueless out there. He also still looks a bit out of shape. A lot of guys on this team came into camp really out of shape. The country club atmosphere in the locker room needs to go.
I would be very hesitant to fire AV and just replace him with the best of a group nobody else wants.
I think there is — way — to much downside in a coach to just pick whomever. Bad decision and execution is one thing — but it’s a luxury problem. Having a coach that brings you in the wrong direction is so much worse.
I think there is — way — to much downside in a coach to just pick whomever. Bad decision and execution is one thing — but it’s a luxury problem. Having a coach that brings you in the wrong direction is so much worse.
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I saw Stepan in person like 2 weeks ago and he didn’t look any bigger
Not sure where Coyotes fans are coming with that
Not sure where Coyotes fans are coming with that
haveandare
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Id bet almost anything that none of these doomsday predictions come true.
Team will fire AV, rally around each other and the new coach despite his flaws and either fall just short of a playoff spot or make it in.
Oscar Lindberg
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I would not be shocked to see Hayes traded during the summer
Depending on the return of course. I wish we could get a better look with JT at center. If he's a viable center option (my guess being that he is, but we haven't been given the chance to see so), and Lias/Chytil potentially pushing for a spot, Hayes could be moved
If they play there cards right at the deadline in February, and over the summer, they could walk into the draft with 3 1st round picks
Also saw this posted, thought it was relevant
I think a Nash to Dallas trade could be in the cards if Dallas is good. He would fit in fine on their second line
Depending on the return of course. I wish we could get a better look with JT at center. If he's a viable center option (my guess being that he is, but we haven't been given the chance to see so), and Lias/Chytil potentially pushing for a spot, Hayes could be moved
If they play there cards right at the deadline in February, and over the summer, they could walk into the draft with 3 1st round picks
Also saw this posted, thought it was relevant
I think a Nash to Dallas trade could be in the cards if Dallas is good. He would fit in fine on their second line
BBKers
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Spoke with someone in The Dallas organisation a while back. They are not high at all on Rick Nash. Basically referred to him as an "overpaid coaster". I dunno... San Jose seems more likely if a trade can be worked out.
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The love for DD is down right scary. I thought Glass was bad...
DD lead all centers on ice time vs Columbus (Guess he was promoted to our 1st line center?)
DD continues to play on the 2nd PP unit over Hayes despite the 2nd PP unit scoring a total of ZERO goals for us 6 games into the season.
DD played 2:15 of the final 5:29 yesterday while players like Hayes sat on the bench.
Like Hayes or not, but he has 10x the amount of offensive skill than DD does. Who at this point at the end of his career, is a 4th liner player.
DD lead all centers on ice time vs Columbus (Guess he was promoted to our 1st line center?)
DD continues to play on the 2nd PP unit over Hayes despite the 2nd PP unit scoring a total of ZERO goals for us 6 games into the season.
DD played 2:15 of the final 5:29 yesterday while players like Hayes sat on the bench.
Like Hayes or not, but he has 10x the amount of offensive skill than DD does. Who at this point at the end of his career, is a 4th liner player.
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Some of us ripped the DD signing when it happened and were immediately dismissed. Therrien is scarily similar to AV in player favoritism and usage. Add in the French Canadian connection and you could see this happening a mile away. This soon is a little shocking though.
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I actually liked the signing, BECAUSE i thought he would give him his 8 minutes on the 4th line and maybe promote him to the 3rd line for a game or two when an injury occurred if he earned it. Yup, I was wrong.
He leads all forwards in FO%, even with Miller having a pretty sick FO%. I don’t love him at all, but he’s fine at 4C until we have a longer term option.
I think it’s just really hard to escape the coaster label with his cap hit, even when he’s doing a lot of other things but also not scoring.
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Never said i wouldn't be fine with him as a 4C. But he is clearly being used as MUCH MUCH more than that.
I know it’s only been six games, but I am starting to wonder about AVs effectiveness going forward. He has a skilled roster and has played some dog teams and we just keep losing. At some point you have to wonder if it isn’t the system
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