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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Elliotte Friedman wondered if Arthur Kaliyev could be available. Kaliyev hasn’t been playing much. I remember watching the Kings earlier this season and Kaliyev was playing with Danault and Moore. Kaliyev seemed to be a good fit on that line.
Rangers do not need another winger. They need a center. Especially with Kakko back. They cannot take a wing only like Kaliyev. Also doubt Kaliyev can play in bottom six effectively so think he is the wrong target
 
The problem with moving Lindgren away from Fox is that you sandbag whoever else you put him with. Schneider has been playing well with Gus. The kid would be shellshocked by game 10 if you moved Lindgren onto a pair with him.

You move Lindgren for a pick and a prospect on the cusp of making it next season or the following. Preferably a LHD. Center would be ok too.

Lindgren to Arizona for Hayton and our 2024 2nd pick back. You turn around and deal Chytil for a steady middle pairing LHD akin to the MDZ for Klein trade.
 
The problem with moving Lindgren away from Fox is that you sandbag whoever else you put him with. Schneider has been playing well with Gus. The kid would be shellshocked by game 10 if you moved Lindgren onto a pair with him.

You move Lindgren for a pick and a prospect on the cusp of making it next season or the following. Preferably a LHD. Center would be ok too.

Lindgren to Arizona for Hayton and our 2024 2nd pick back. You turn around and deal Chytil for a steady middle pairing LHD akin to the MDZ for Klein trade.
I think you just move Lindgren in a hockey trade for another dman that is better at moving the puck around. Skillset swap deal. Also maybe you can trade him to a team that will want his RFA control for a guy they are about to lose in FA.

Calgary for Hanifin (obviously Rangers add), Detroit for Gostisbehere, etc. Those are hockey trades that you might be able to make. The Rangers need to move Lindgren before they are in a position to extend him.
 
I think you just move Lindgren in a hockey trade for another dman that is better at moving the puck around. Skillset swap deal. Also maybe you can trade him to a team that will want his RFA control for a guy they are about to lose in FA.

Calgary for Hanifin (obviously Rangers add), Detroit for Gostisbehere, etc. Those are hockey trades that you might be able to make. The Rangers need to move Lindgren before they are in a position to extend him.
Agree with the theory, but not with the suggestions. Not that I have any better ones. I assume either way the piece acquired back would come extended, otherwise it's essentially a cap dump.
 
Agree with the theory, but not with the suggestions. Not that I have any better ones. I assume either way the piece acquired back would come extended, otherwise it's essentially a cap dump.
I mean, the Rangers need to dump cap so I am okay with it at this stage. Don't really care if the guy back is extended or not. You probably aren't getting a guy on an ELC and you probably around getting a guy with term making less than Lindgren; so you need to get the best guy back as possible and kind of worry about the rest later. They 100% need to trade Lindgren, but what they need back is a better LHD than Lindgren; so you make a hockey trade for a guy with a different skill set. Rangers don't have a Dman internally that they can slot in if they move Lindgren for a forward
 
Could see Drury doing right by Lindgren, and trading him home to Minnesota this summer.

The Wild are probably in need of a shake up trade this summer.

I wonder how much time Bill Guerin has left there, looks like another lost season for them.
 
The problem with moving Lindgren away from Fox is that you sandbag whoever else you put him with. Schneider has been playing well with Gus. The kid would be shellshocked by game 10 if you moved Lindgren onto a pair with him.

You move Lindgren for a pick and a prospect on the cusp of making it next season or the following. Preferably a LHD. Center would be ok too.

Lindgren to Arizona for Hayton and our 2024 2nd pick back. You turn around and deal Chytil for a steady middle pairing LHD akin to the MDZ for Klein trade.
You won't get that back and I don't want to move Chytil [want to reform kid line w/Cuylle at LW]

Lindy to DET + Jones for Ramussen + DET 2nd

and effing bite the bullet and play Robertson, hit or miss, NOW
 
I mean, the Rangers need to dump cap so I am okay with it at this stage. Don't really care if the guy back is extended or not. You probably aren't getting a guy on an ELC and you probably around getting a guy with term making less than Lindgren; so you need to get the best guy back as possible and kind of worry about the rest later. They 100% need to trade Lindgren, but what they need back is a better LHD than Lindgren; so you make a hockey trade for a guy with a different skill set. Rangers don't have a Dman internally that they can slot in if they move Lindgren for a forward
The issue becomes who slots in next year? I was hopeful that could be Zac Jones but his development has stalled big time in the past year. I'm not paying Gryzelyk or however you spell his name $4 million. This defensive corps needs a Ryan McDonagh like player really badly.
 
The issue becomes who slots in next year? I was hopeful that could be Zac Jones but his development has stalled big time in the past year. I'm not paying Gryzelyk or however you spell his name $4 million. This defensive corps needs a Ryan McDonagh like player really badly.
Certainly a fair question. Think you can try and do a couple of more one year type deals to see if you get lightning in a bottle. By that point you may have to trade a guy to make room for Othmann, so maybe you can find a forward to swap out. At this point you may as well float prospects and/or draft picks for that guy but those answers are not coming from within. Even so, you cannot double down on that mistake by extending Lindgren and locking into this roster. Have to look around though. Think you will have more options by the offseason. I mean I am on the record that I would try and trade Igor, so maybe you can get a Dman or two back from that. Either way going to have to get creative.

Not going to particularly advocate for any of these guys, but if you are looking at like a year or two-ish term at decent-ish price, this is kind of who you are going to be looking at in no particular order:

Lauzon - NSH
Provorov - CBJ
Maatta - DET
Ferraro - SJ
Leddy - STL
Dumoulin - SEA
Pettersson - PIT
Chychrun - OTT
Middleton/Merrill - MIN
Harris - MTL
McNabb - VGK
McCabe - TML

Obviously some of these guys are better than others/will cost more assets but these are some guys that you may be able to make a call on. Not going to argue about who is good/who is bad but again strictly looking at guys under short-term term here. Might have missed a couple
 
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The Lindgren-less pairs would not perform as well under bigger minutes as they did in the samples cited (No, I don't think Fox-Gus would be a 70+ xGF pair, that would be ridiculous.)

I do believe that basically any other combo would be better though. Lindgren-Fox has the worst xGF of any of our regular pairs. Fox isn't the problem there. The hinderance that he has on offense while hes on the ice is significant and the defense isn't air tight enough to really make up for it.

So without changing the pairs does this contradict @Machinehead's gripe of Laf playing Trouba-Miller as much as he had if Fox-Lindgren are worse in xGF?
 
So without changing the pairs does this contradict @Machinehead's gripe of Laf playing Trouba-Miller as much as he had if Fox-Lindgren are worse in xGF?

I don't think it contradicts it as much as it gives credence to the opinion that they should shuffle the pairings.

It's hard to do that with Lindgren though. If you can get Fox a worthy partner, I think the rest of it is as simple as flipping the LD's on the other pairings. I mean you can do that anyway, but that doesn't solve this problem.
 
I mean, the Rangers need to dump cap so I am okay with it at this stage. Don't really care if the guy back is extended or not. You probably aren't getting a guy on an ELC and you probably around getting a guy with term making less than Lindgren; so you need to get the best guy back as possible and kind of worry about the rest later. They 100% need to trade Lindgren, but what they need back is a better LHD than Lindgren; so you make a hockey trade for a guy with a different skill set. Rangers don't have a Dman internally that they can slot in if they move Lindgren for a forward
Do you agree that Miller and Trouba, both have been horrible defensively this year? Everybody else on here pretty much agrees with that. Fox, Gus and Jones are offense first defensemen. And you want to trade Lindgren for a guy with a different skill set? Who the hell is supposed to play defense on this team, just Schneider? Drury caused this problem by the way he built this defense. I guess he expected Trouba to be better and Miller to grow his defensive ability. You can't fix it until the summer unless you want to trade Miller now. I'm all for trading Lindgren in the off season when the whole D can be overhauled.
 
Do you agree that Miller and Trouba, both have been horrible defensively this year? Everybody else on here pretty much agrees with that. Fox, Gus and Jones are offense first defensemen. And you want to trade Lindgren for a guy with a different skill set? Who the hell is supposed to play defense on this team, just Schneider? Drury caused this problem by the way he built this defense. I guess he expected Trouba to be better and Miller to grow his defensive ability. You can't fix it until the summer unless you want to trade Miller now. I'm all for trading Lindgren in the off season when the whole D can be overhauled.

Fox is very much the definition of a legitimate 2 way defenseman. His offense is being heavily negated by his partner. He isn't going to become bad defensively because he doesn't have Lindgren anymore.

You can trade Lindgren now. There are D out there who are an upgrade on him and there will be more D who will become available in the next month who will be an upgrade on him.
 
Do you agree that Miller and Trouba, both have been horrible defensively this year? Everybody else on here pretty much agrees with that. Fox, Gus and Jones are offense first defensemen. And you want to trade Lindgren for a guy with a different skill set? Who the hell is supposed to play defense on this team, just Schneider? Drury caused this problem by the way he built this defense. I guess he expected Trouba to be better and Miller to grow his defensive ability. You can't fix it until the summer unless you want to trade Miller now. I'm all for trading Lindgren in the off season when the whole D can be overhauled.
I think Trouba is bad this year and he is dragging Miller down. I don't really care to talk about who is offense first/who is defense first. Trouba and Lindgren and nothing first. You can say they are supposedly to be the defensive guys but they haven't done that well either. Schneider is weird to me. I look at him and somehow I think he is better offensive and worse defensive than he is supposed to be, but unlike the other guys he has gotten better this year because Gus is helping him out. Its a shame that Jones doesn't get any burn because he helps the teams biggest problem in that they cannot move the puck. Thought this was pretty apparent when they were streaking when Fox was out. But if they aren't going to play Jones, my theory is you replace Lindgren with a better version of Jones (like Gositisbehere) the team uplevels.

Yes Drury (and Gorton) built the D weirdly. I don't think this massive overhaul to the D is coming though. Rangers don't have assets or cap space to do that. They just need to not lock themselves into bad contacts like a Lindgren extension would be. Eventually they are going to have to buy out Trouba, but they are stuck with him a little longer. Lindgren you can do something about. He is dragging Fox down. He is becoming a determent
 
Fox is very much the definition of a legitimate 2 way defenseman. His offense is being heavily negated by his partner.

You can trade Lindgren now. There are D out there who are an upgrade on him and there will be more D who will become available in the next month who will be an upgrade on him.
I'm the biggest Fox fan going but he's not a great defensive player defending the rush. He's slow and small. He's very good in our end and on the PK because he's so smart and instinctive. But he's offense first which he's supposed to be. All I hear in the game threads is about how bad are defenseman play defense. So everybody wants to trade for another offensive defenseman. Yea, that's the answer.
 
I'm the biggest Fox fan going but he's not a great defensive player defending the rush. He's slow and small. He's very good in our end and on the PK because he's so smart and instinctive. But he's offense first which he's supposed to be. All I hear in the game threads is about how bad are defenseman play defense. So everybody wants to trade for another offensive defenseman. Yea, that's the answer.

@Machinehead chart him.
 
I think Trouba is bad this year and he is dragging Miller down. I don't really care to talk about who is offense first/who is defense first. Trouba and Lindgren and nothing first. You can say they are supposedly to be the defensive guys but they haven't done that well either. Schneider is weird to me. I look at him and somehow I think he is better offensive and worse defensive than he is supposed to be, but unlike the other guys he has gotten better this year because Gus is helping him out. Its a shame that Jones doesn't get any burn because he helps the teams biggest problem in that they cannot move the puck. Thought this was pretty apparent when they were streaking when Fox was out. But if they aren't going to play Jones, my theory is you replace Lindgren with a better version of Jones (like Gositisbehere) the team uplevels.

Yes Drury (and Gorton) built the D weirdly. I don't think this massive overhaul to the D is coming though. Rangers don't have assets or cap space to do that. They just need to not lock themselves into bad contacts like a Lindgren extension would be. Eventually they are going to have to buy out Trouba, but they are stuck with him a little longer. Lindgren you can do something about. He is dragging Fox down. He is becoming a determent
Again, I'm not looking to extend Lindgren but like I said weeks ago when I started arguing with guys about this, trade him in the summer because at this point, Drury has made him a necessary evil by having Jones and Gus as our 6 and 7. You have to have balance. And Trouba, who is supposed to be the lockdown guy, playing like crap certainly isn't helping the situation.
 
Again, I'm not looking to extend Lindgren but like I said weeks ago when I started arguing with guys about this, trade him in the summer because at this point, Drury has made him a necessary evil by having Jones and Gus as our 6 and 7. You have to have balance. And Trouba, who is supposed to be the lockdown guy, playing like crap certainly isn't helping the situation.
But Lindgren isn't giving that balance either because he is cratering. His value isn’t getting higher at this point. It’s only going down.
 
But Lindgren isn't giving that balance either because he is cratering
According to who? I know the coaches are aware that he sucks offensively. You can tell by the usage. He doesn't play 4 on 4 with Fox. Gus does. He never sees the ice in OT. And when we are behind in the 3rd period, he misses shifts. And yet, he's out there every time we are defending when the other team has an empty net and on the PK. He's a role player. The coaches don't trust the other guys in that role. Which is my point. Drury caused this by his roster composition. He didn't give the coaches many options. Jones is a waste of a roster spot and there is nobody in Hartford.
 
I think everyone's concern with Lindgren is that his role is of someone making 2-2.5M but will be looking for 4.5-5M for next season.

We have not successfully developed another LD besides Miller. We haven't seen Robertson yet, but he hasn't forced his way here. Jones you have hope for but he comes up on the negative side too much. Let's not even mentioned Libor Hajek.

Unless the team begins to run Miller-Fox, his partner is not in the organization.
 
Here's ur chart
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Oh no he's good at everything! Better send Trouba out there.
 
According to who? I know the coaches are aware that he sucks offensively. You can tell by the usage. He doesn't play 4 on 4 with Fox. Gus does. He never sees the ice in OT. And when we are behind in the 3rd period, he misses shifts. And yet, he's out there every time we are defending when the other team has an empty net and on the PK. He's a role player. The coaches don't trust the other guys in that role. Which is my point. Drury caused this by his roster composition. He didn't give the coaches many options. Jones is a waste of a roster spot and there is nobody in Hartford.
Agree with you that Drury “caused” the situation due to roster construction but:
1. Trouba and Lindgren are clearly worse than what they were last season.
2. Miller is clearly worse than last season and it’s even more upsetting because unlike 1. he should’ve actually progressed ahead, not regressed
3. Fox was lost to an injury and only recently started to show some signs of rounding back in form.
4. Schneider is actually playing better and IMO it does reflect being paired with Gus
5. Some of 1. and 2. could be attributed to the fact that the Rangers have been a one-line forward team pretty much the whole season to date, Shesterkin has been inconsistent and that does put more pressure and spotlight on D that would have been otherwise.

With all this the Rangers is still tops in the Metro halfway through and compared to competition - still in much better shape going forward, maybe with the exception of cap situation at TDL. Cheers!
 
The issue becomes who slots in next year? I was hopeful that could be Zac Jones but his development has stalled big time in the past year. I'm not paying Gryzelyk or however you spell his name $4 million. This defensive corps needs a Ryan McDonagh like player really badly.

It needs to be my committee like how many other teams do it.

Miller-Fox
Gustafsson-Schneider
________-Trouba

I think the Rangers would be better off scouring the UFA veteran pool, signing a couple of guys and moving forward with that. I've mentioned Edmundson and Cole as options. Neither will be long term contracts. Maybe Forbort after some injuries this year.

Trade Lindgren's rights for either a good young forward or a prospect d-man and a pick, re-sign Gustafsson to a short term deal (2-3 years) and let him and Schneider continue to grow together and then find a steady veteran LD.

Also, Scanlin should be re-signed and actually seen in the NHL.
 
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