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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Isn't the expectation for Pinto to sign in Ottawa soon and play out the rest of the season once his suspension is up?

Doesn't really seem like they're still keen on moving him?
 
bhamill said:
I think you are OVER valuing Zegras. 7 points in 20 games this year, and honestly if he isn't putting up points he's basically worthless. I said the same things when folks were wishing we could trade Laf for him the last few years. He brings nothing else to the table. He'd be our 3C and his point totals would be NOTHING like his good seasons at ANA until our vets age out... He gets a lot of attention for making flashy plays but he NEEDS to be THE guy, getting THE opportunities, and he wouldn't be that or get those here. Othmann will be a complimentary scorer next year and bring other aspects to the game that we need. Sorry, but I don't make that trade based on what each player would be TO THIS TEAM.
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The value of a player is not based on the last 20 games. The whole body of work and pedigree for Zegras is outstanding. Yeah, he needs to learn how to be more responsible on D improve his two-way game but it's pretty reasonable to expect him getting there, if only based on how young he still is and how many players have successfully adjusted their game with age and experience.
 
McRanger92 said:
Nothing we discuss in this thread is likely because we are fans, and we dont know anything. But shooting the shit about it is what fans do. We had people saying the same thing you are about Patrick Kane last year and lo and behold it happened.
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Yes, but independently of what anyone here was “cooking up”. The tail does not wag the dog.
 
kovazub94 said:
The value of a player is not based on the last 20 games. The whole body of work and pedigree for Zegras is outstanding. Yeah, he needs to learn how to be more responsible on D improve his two-way game but it's pretty reasonable to expect him getting there, if only based on how young he still is and how many players have successfully adjusted their game with age and experience.
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Outstanding is pushing it.

The drawbacks are legitimate and some of the things are not easy to overcome. It's not as simple as "improving your two way game." Yes guys can learn to be passable at defense at this level and hes young enough where him being bad at it isn't that big of a deal (which is a point I've made with you before when I opined about how f***ing stupid David Quinn's method to prospect development was) but how about the other things?

Is he going to attack the tougher areas of the ice? Is he going to fight to get the puck back when he doesn't have it/loses it? His lack of retrievals are less of an issue for me since he is so good at carrying the puck up ice so i'm not sure if thats a "not willing to do it" thing rather than a "doesn't have to do it" thing - But so far these are all hang ups in his game.

He's a perimeter creator. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but is he good enough in that role where you can trust that he's going to be productive when the chips are down? I'm not sure.

Lets run with the assumption that all of the rumors are true - I think the bigger question you should be asking yourself is why is Anaheim, a team that isn't really going anywhere this year, looking to move him? If he is as good as you think he is, then surely they'd want him to be part of the solution there.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
Outstanding is pushing it.

The drawbacks are legitimate and some of the things are not easy to overcome. It's not as simple as "improving your two way game." Yes guys can learn to be passable at defense at this level and hes young enough where him being bad at it isn't that big of a deal (which is a point I've made with you before when I opined about how f***ing stupid David Quinn's method to prospect development was) but how about the other things?

Is he going to attack the tougher areas of the ice? Is he going to fight to get the puck back when he doesn't have it/loses it? His lack of retrievals are less of an issue for me since he is so good at carrying the puck up ice so i'm not sure if thats a "not willing to do it" thing rather than a "doesn't have to do it" thing - But so far these are all hang ups in his game.

He's a perimeter creator. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but is he good enough in that role where you can trust that he's going to be productive when the chips are down? I'm not sure.

Lets run with the assumption that all of the rumors are true - I think the bigger question you should be asking yourself is why is Anaheim, a team that isn't really going anywhere this year, looking to move him? If he is as good as you think he is, then surely they'd want him to be part of the solution there.
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What if it's as simple as he doesn't want to play in Anaheim anymore? This sort of stuff seems to be happening more and more.
 
We can discuss Zegras, Pinto, and whoever else, but I think one thing we know for sure is that the 4th line will need an upgrade no matter what going into the postseason. The order the forwards appear here does not matter, but these are the top 3 lines:

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Chytil-Wheeler

Vesey and Goodrow are not going anywhere and will be part of a 4th line (although Vesey can and possibly should play over Wheeler on a 3rd line). The team will be looking to upgrade on Bonino and Pitlick, but the biggest addition would be over Bonino. I don't expect this to be some kind of internal move either.

If the Rangers wanted to lock their "4th line" in for the rest of this season and next, we need to see the Capitals fall off and sell again. Obviously Laviolette knows those players and there is one that fits the upgrade over Bonino massively that you could get in Nic Dowd.

Cap hit is 1.3M (can always try and get retention) and is locked in for this and next season. He has one of the most defensive oriented usage rates in the league. Prior to this season, he had similar usage and thrived in that role. He did lose Hathaway as a linemate, but the coaching change impacts as well. Looked at Hathaway and he's seeing a move in the wrong direction in Philly.

That brings me back to Laviolette. If he and Drury are on the same page, I would think that this is a player that would be right at the top of the list of players to get. You don't need to teach him the system, maybe just little things you've tinkered for this squad. Feel like he'd be able to fill a 3rd line role if he had to be elevated.
 
I'm at the point where if Chytil is back, I'd like to see him on the wing, then find a 3c.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Outstanding is pushing it.

The drawbacks are legitimate and some of the things are not easy to overcome. It's not as simple as "improving your two way game." Yes guys can learn to be passable at defense at this level and hes young enough where him being bad at it isn't that big of a deal (which is a point I've made with you before when I opined about how f***ing stupid David Quinn's method to prospect development was) but how about the other things?

Is he going to attack the tougher areas of the ice? Is he going to fight to get the puck back when he doesn't have it/loses it? His lack of retrievals are less of an issue for me since he is so good at carrying the puck up ice so i'm not sure if thats a "not willing to do it" thing rather than a "doesn't have to do it" thing - But so far these are all hang ups in his game.

He's a perimeter creator. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but is he good enough in that role where you can trust that he's going to be productive when the chips are down? I'm not sure.

Lets run with the assumption that all of the rumors are true - I think the bigger question you should be asking yourself is why is Anaheim, a team that isn't really going anywhere this year, looking to move him? If he is as good as you think he is, then surely they'd want him to be part of the solution there.
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Sorry but having back to back 60+ point seasons as a rookie and sophomore at the age of 20 and 21 is outstanding on top of what he accomplished as a junior.

Also two things can be true simultaneously - he’s got deficiencies in his current game (I’m sorry but it’s true about 99.9% of all players at 20, forget about entering the league at this age) and being able to overcome these. Again he’s only 22. Sorry, I don’t think we will find a common ground. Once again it’s the story of HFB - what have you done for me lately and these kids in their early 20’s are finished projects.
 
Just curious what people think. With the benefit of hindsight, and considering the cap, what was the right move, or series of moves, to be made around Buchnevich? The obvious assumption being that we kept and paid him?

I feel like whatever the answer is, signing Trocheck should still be a priority so I’m not sure how to make it work.
 
Synergy27 said:
Just curious what people think. With the benefit of hindsight, and considering the cap, what was the right move, or series of moves, to be made around Buchnevich? The obvious assumption being that we kept and paid him?

I feel like whatever the answer is, signing Trocheck should still be a priority so I’m not sure how to make it work.
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should have sold high
we stupidly kept and used, = drained valuable term on nice $$$ contract
when we finally moved, all he had left was sliver of rfa left

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another effin mistake
 
kovazub94 said:
The value of a player is not based on the last 20 games. The whole body of work and pedigree for Zegras is outstanding. Yeah, he needs to learn how to be more responsible on D improve his two-way game but it's pretty reasonable to expect him getting there, if only based on how young he still is and how many players have successfully adjusted their game with age and experience.
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It’s not just that last 20 games. Last season and the season before his numbers on offense were similar to Kakko’s if you take away the premium power play time he’s gotten in ANA and would not get here. 17 pp points each year. And speaking of Kakko his bad start of 19 games had plenty on here saying to TRADE him. Even though he was still doing the job defensively.
And unlike Kakko, Zegras brings NOTHING else at this point beyond his scoring (which has fallen off this year). Sure he can round our his game with time, as I said, he’s still a prospect. But it’s not going to happen this year and probably not by next. The point I’ve been espousing is he’s not a good fit on this team at this time. Because he’s not. The responsibilities and situations he needs to put up points are not going to be taken away from our own star players and given to him. So the only value he currently brings will be diminished.
Hey, I’m just not as impressed with him as some of you are. It is what it is. I don’t need you to agree. That’s just my take.
 
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