Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[McRanger92]

Trades don't "cook up" on message boards. No one has connected us to Chychrun, or to Hanifin for that matter. For a good number of reasons. Hence, it isn't happening.

Why are you gatekeeping a speculation thread? We also had a vetted poster tell us a week ago that the Rangers would be interested in Pinto in the offseason. Talking hypothetical trades beats the usual woe is me act on the board when we lose 2 games in a row. No one connected us to Zegras either but thats been the topic for the last 36 hours

 

[Alluckks]

Kreider Zib Vesey
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Cuylle Zegres Kakko

4th line gets like 8 minutes ES time plus PK

 

[noupf]

Kakko, Jones and a 1st for Zegras and Vatrano......... Do you do it? This is under the assumption that Chytil is done for the season ( maybe even with his career ending ).

 

[bhamill]

If they can get it done and only give up like an Othmann and one younger roster player (along with picks) they have enough wings to keep feeding the centers the next 5-7 years.

Not sure I'd give up Othmann for Zegras at this point. The only thing Z does better is put up points... Maybe I should say HAS done better when considering the year he is currently having. Othmann is going to be an abrasive NHL goal scorer. And the kind of guy you win with in the post season... I don't think I make that trade straight up.

Kakko, Jones and a 1st for Zegras and Vatrano......... Do you do it? This is under the assumption that Chytil is done for the season ( maybe even with his career ending ).

Me? Absolutely not.

 

[noupf]

Zegras can play wing for now and eventually become a center. Trocheck and Zibanejad are both past 30 now. Not gonna last forever.

This is my view on Zegras as well. The kid can score and is a play maker. These kinds of players dont come along everyday.....espcailly at the age of 22. If he wants out of ANH for some reason, you start making phone calls.

 

[McRanger92]

Not sure I'd give up Othmann for Zegras at this point. The only thing Z does better is put up points... Maybe I should say HAS done better when considering the year he is currently having. Othmann is going to be an abrasive NHL goal scorer. And the kind of guy you win with in the post season... I don't think I make that trade straight up.

Said it yesterday but I dont see the logic of us trading our top prospects for a guy who is our 3C on his best day for the foreseeable future. If he wants to come here (and if the Rangers want him) why not wait until hes and RFA again at 25 and try to get him then. By that point Mika and Trocheck will probably be reaching the decline some fans are desperate to speak into existence. I dont see how his play style gets us closer to winning a Cup, but I'll admit it does look good on Tiktok

 

[duhmetreE]

@duhmetreE Can we cook up a Pinto/Chychrun trade and kill 2 birds with one stone?

probably not.

It'd have to be like Gabe/Othmann, 2 1sts, +Berard/Sykora types

have to throw Goodrow in to make it work. I'd add Lindgren but I just do not see that happeening, especially mid-season.

Panarin Zibs Laffy
Kreider Tro Kakko
Cuylle Pinto Chytil

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Lindgren/Gus/Schneids

that looks amazing on paper.

 

[noupf]

Not sure I'd give up Othmann for Zegras at this point. The only thing Z does better is put up points... Maybe I should say HAS done better when considering the year he is currently having. Othmann is going to be an abrasive NHL goal scorer. And the kind of guy you win with in the post season... I don't think I make that trade straight up.


Me? Absolutely not.

What's your offer, assuming you would target Zegras and Vatrano. Zegras and Vatrano add some serious offense to an offensively thin team that wants to be a cup contenders no? Vatrano has another year left too as our 'win now' window is now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why are you gatekeeping a speculation thread? We also had a vetted poster tell us a week ago that the Rangers would be interested in Pinto in the offseason. Talking hypothetical trades beats the usual woe is me act on the board when we lose 2 games in a row. No one connected us to Zegras either but thats been the topic for the last 36 hours

Who?

 

[McRanger92]

Who?

bobbop mentioned it. Mightve been more than a week ago. Something around Pinto/Kakko. He did specify offseason move though

 

[Avery16]

Why are you gatekeeping a speculation thread? We also had a vetted poster tell us a week ago that the Rangers would be interested in Pinto in the offseason. Talking hypothetical trades beats the usual woe is me act on the board when we lose 2 games in a row. No one connected us to Zegras either but thats been the topic for the last 36 hours

I’m not gatekeeping, just trying to steer this out of fantasyland. Pinto or Zegras has a significantly better chance of happening than Chychrun or Hanifin.

 

[NYR Viper]

He young, has size, can defend, shoot and solid defensively. Slots in nicely as our 3C.

I'm open to suggestions for 3C. Anyone at this point over Bonino is a massive upgrade.

The problem is he wanted 2.5M from Ottawa. Maybe its a way to force his way out? That was pre-suspension. I don't know what he'd want here

I'd give him $2.5m and find a way to make it work

 

[McRanger92]

I’m not gatekeeping, just trying to steer this out of fantasyland. Pinto or Zegras has a significantly better chance of happening than Chychrun or Hanifin.

Nothing we discuss in this thread is likely because we are fans, and we dont know anything. But shooting the shit about it is what fans do. We had people saying the same thing you are about Patrick Kane last year and lo and behold it happened.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Pretty sure he played Center all of last season

I really do not want to dole out assets for more rentals.

Panarin Zibs Laffy
Kreider Trocheck Kakko
Cuylle Pinto Chytil

Goodrow would be additon by subtraction, sent to an Ottawa team that supposedly wants veteran leadership. Saves >10M of cap hit over the next 3 years. If Ottawa is willing to retain half of Tarasenko this year to make the pick a first + Berard, I'd do that in a heartbeat since it's likely to be a late first rounder anyway, and addresses our two biggest holes in the forward group while also eliminating our worst contract.

Panarin-Tro-Laffy
Cuylle-Zib-Tarasenko
Kreider-Pinto/Greig (Chytil when healthy)-Kakko
Vesey-Bonino (Pinto/Greig when Chytil healthy)-Wheeler

Would be what I'd see the forwards looking like after such a trade.

 

[kovazub94]

Not sure I'd give up Othmann for Zegras at this point. The only thing Z does better is put up points... Maybe I should say HAS done better when considering the year he is currently having. Othmann is going to be an abrasive NHL goal scorer. And the kind of guy you win with in the post season... I don't think I make that trade straight up.


Me? Absolutely not.

You're significantly undervalue Zegras. Not supporting even Othmann straight up is a folly (and that's not a disparage against the Rangers prospect).

 

[bernmeister]

Kakko, Jones and a 1st for Zegras and Vatrano......... Do you do it? This is under the assumption that Chytil is done for the season ( maybe even with his career ending ).

close but no
keep kk

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakko, Jones and a 1st for Zegras and Vatrano......... Do you do it? This is under the assumption that Chytil is done for the season ( maybe even with his career ending ).

Is zegras and vatrano at 50% because without retention I’m not moving Kakko for that.
We’d score more, we’d be in cap hell next year and we’d give up a lot more goals…
Kakko is gonna be a cheap rw who’s defensively responsible who in his career isn’t that far off from zegras offensively without the flash.
Ignore his total stats and look at 5v5, zegras puts up a lot of pp points.

 

[bhamill]

Who?

whoops, sorry. Responded to wrong post.

What's your offer, assuming you would target Zegras and Vatrano. Zegras and Vatrano add some serious offense to an offensively thin team that wants to be a cup contenders no? Vatrano has another year left too as our 'win now' window is now.

Honestly, I'm not hot for either of them at the moment.
Vatrano had a great start, something like 15 goals in his first 20 games or so, but has only 4 goals since. Plus 30% of his goals were on the PP this year, he's not getting that here. I would not move for Vatrano, I just don't think he moves the needle for us and he is not a prospect...
Zegras has always been one dimensional, OFFENSE. And this year not getting prime opportunity, he's fallen WAY off. He would be 3rd line here so I don't see his scoring shooting back up... Zegras, to me, is STILL a prospect. He'll be 23 in March, so he is still young and has some runway, but I wouldn't give up anything important right now. Don't get me wrong, if they can get a good deal on him I say pull the trigger, he's shown he CAN score. Much like Kakko, he's had injuries and a slow start this year. Difference is Kakko contributes even when he isn't on the scoreboard. Our 1st rounder will be late, if say they'd take a middling prospect and a 1st for him I would give it a shot.

 

[duhmetreE]

I truly don’t believe we’re moving Kakko.

He needs to play with Trocheck or Chytil though

 

[bhamill]

You're significantly undervalue Zegras. Not supporting even Othmann straight up is a folly (and that's not a disparage against the Rangers prospect).

I think you are OVER valuing Zegras. 7 points in 20 games this year, and honestly if he isn't putting up points he's basically worthless. I said the same things when folks were wishing we could trade Laf for him the last few years. He brings nothing else to the table. He'd be our 3C and his point totals would be NOTHING like his good seasons at ANA until our vets age out... He gets a lot of attention for making flashy plays but he NEEDS to be THE guy, getting THE opportunities, and he wouldn't be that or get those here. Othmann will be a complimentary scorer next year and bring other aspects to the game that we need. Sorry, but I don't make that trade based on what each player would be TO THIS TEAM.

 

[mas0764]

I’ll drive Othmann to the airport if he would bring back Zegras. And I don’t hate Othmann but we need that future center way more than we need a wing.

 

[Kords]

The fair ask for Zegras is Perreault. I know no one wants to hear that, but outside of Laf who has become a nonstarter we have nothing they want. Maybe Miller, but their D seems pretty set for the future.

Personally, I’d be open to it but I know how this board covets prospects. Love Gabe, think he’ll be a stud but I still think Zegras has the higher upside.

Either way, if that’s not a conversation you’re willing to have than I would forget about Zegras until he pushes his way here naturally in a few years.

 

[mas0764]

The fair ask for Zegras is Perreault. I know no one wants to hear that, but outside of Laf who has become a nonstarter we have nothing they want. Maybe Miller, but their D seems pretty set for the future.

Personally, I’d be open to it but I know how this board covets prospects. Love Gabe, think he’ll be a stud but I still think Zegras has the higher upside.

Either way, if that’s not a conversation you’re willing to have than I would forget about Zegras until he pushes his way here naturally in a few years.

I think I’d hate that, but I’d have to say yes.

 

[bhamill]

I’ll drive Othmann to the airport if he would bring back Zegras. And I don’t hate Othmann but we need that future center way more than we need a wing.

The issue is we need that center IN the future. Zegras wouldn't be getting prime time here for YEARS and we are seeing a fall off when he doesn't get the the minutes and opportunity that he WOULDN'T be getting here for the foreseeable future. If it was a move for the future AND now it would be one thing but I don't think he moves the needle much, especially Post Season, which we are going to play in either way... A center that can contribute even when he's not scoring? Not getting the prime opportunities? Sure. But that is not Zegras, there's a lot of flashiness hype (not saying that is ALL there is), but his bottom line in this lineup would not be so hot.

The fair ask for Zegras is Perreault. I know no one wants to hear that, but outside of Laf who has become a nonstarter we have nothing they want. Maybe Miller, but their D seems pretty set for the future.

Personally, I’d be open to it but I know how this board covets prospects. Love Gabe, think he’ll be a stud but I still think Zegras has the higher upside.

Either way, if that’s not a conversation you’re willing to have than I would forget about Zegras until he pushes his way here naturally in a few years.

Gotta say: I'd just forget about Zegras for the time being then. I'm just not as high on him as some others are.

 

[Kords]

The issue is we need that center IN the future. Zegras wouldn't be getting prime time here for YEARS and we are seeing a fall off when he doesn't get the the minutes and opportunity that he WOULDN'T be getting here for the foreseeable future. If it was a move for the future AND now it would be one thing but I don't think he moves the needle much, especially Post Season, which we are going to play in either way... A center that can contribute even when he's not scoring? Not getting the prime opportunities? Sure. But that is not Zegras, there's a lot of flashiness hype (not saying that is ALL there is), but his bottom line in this lineup would not be so hot.

This is a fair concern.