Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[17futurecap]

And who sits in the top 6. Id sit miller and Gustafsson to improve the d but that won’t happen

Miller/Fox
Hanifin/Trouba
Lindgren/Schneider

They aren’t going to sit Lindgren, I’m not going to pretend they ever would.

Trade Lindgren in the summer, sign Hanifin and pair him with Schneider starting next year as your other top 4 pair.

Do whatever with Trouba, keep him on the third pair if you want him to remain here to be captain next season.

I would just settle for them pairing Miller and Fox at this point, I don’t think they are actually going to get Hanifin.

 

[huerter]

Let's say we trade for Hanifin, and give him the big ticket, and have Fox, Trouba, and Hanifin making a combined 25 mil even though the latter 2 will combine for maybe 1 PP point per year...and then let's say you still think our team defense is a little leaky (because, ya know, the other team gets paid too and it's freaking hockey), then what?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Let's say we trade for Hanifin, and give him the big ticket, and have Fox, Trouba, and Hanifin making a combined 25 mil even though the latter 2 will combine for maybe 1 PP point per year...and then let's say you still think our team defense is a little leaky (because, ya know, the other team gets paid too and it's freaking hockey), then what?

Two separate reports(of course it could be once source quoting the 1st source) claim Hanafin is keeping his UFAand plans on signing with Tampa in the off season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If Zibanejad can't hit the target from the left wall then they need a new pp alignment. Its a waste of an attempt at this point. Would he have a more likelyhood of success if he was one timing from the bumper? Something to think about.

 

[Vitto79]

Don't know what the price is, but I'd take Roslovic. He has the talent, just has never unlocked it.

It’s more of the question are they going to go all the way with Roslovic in the top 6 or a more established guy like Eberle ?

 

[RangerBoy]

Even if Rangers management wanted to bring back Kane, how were the Rangers paying him $2.75M? The Rangers started the season with less than $700,000 in cap space with 22 players. 13 forwards, 7 D and 2 G. The popular refrain from RGY was demote a player and give Kane $1.5M. Where was the other $1.25M coming from? Other teams tried to sign Kane to a 1 year $1M contract but he didn’t want that. We can't give you much more than that but we can talk about an extension in a few months. His agent Pat Brisson said no.

Rangers management didn't want to have Kane back. They had their reasons. It was a topic on the New York Post pod before Kane signed in Detroit. Andrew Harts brought it up and Mollie Walker rolled her eyes. The Rangers moved on from Kane. Rangers management didn't want Kane last March. They made a move for Tarasenko in February and Kane whined about it. Brisson is CAA. Leon Rose was CAA. His son Sam is CAA. Dolan got involved and Kane was a Ranger.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

If Zibanejad can't hit the target from the left wall then they need a new pp alignment. Its a waste of an attempt at this point. Would he have a more likelyhood of success if he was one timing from the bumper? Something to think about.

He should just be demoted altogether for Lafreniere. Yes Zib would be better at bumper because all he can do is shoot but I’d rather just have Trocheck there who is better on entries and supporting/retrieving the puck.

 

[NYR Viper]

The “excuses” are backed by legitimate data and info though. Also please dont bring up the point of being “undersized”, that has not been a factor his whole career. He plays bigger than a majority of his peers. And finally the Rangers are only adding him with retention involved so you are not signing up for Gourde for $5.1 next year. Likely $3.5 or less.

Even with his “down” year, he is 10x the player currently filling the 3c role AINEC.

1st, 2nd, Berard/Sykora

For

Gourde & Eberle.

Maybe you add a prospect like BMB to close it up.

The Rangers have a good team. Adding Gourde/Eberle to the playoff 12 would make them a legitimate cup contender.

This would make me sick to my stomach.

 

[Raspewtin]

Sykora is a dime a dozen guy. Berard is nice but most teams have a Berard in the system.

kinda disagree with this. Sykora and Berard are guys that, if they turn out how they're supposed to, NHL teams overpay for all the time. there's plenty of waterbug types out there but 95% of the time they're overplayed 4th liners. Berard and Sykora have legitimate middle 6 upside which is a big differentiator.

However, I do think we kindaaa overrate them because we're so desperate for actual hockey players thanks to the soft goofies all over the team.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Realistically, what can we get for a 1st rounder and without Othmann and Perreault?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You can probably do a quantity trade for one of them, but not both. Both they'd demand Perreault +.

Sykora is a dime a dozen guy. Berard is nice but most teams have a Berard in the system.


He's not good. They need centers like no ones business and aren't extending him, what's that tell you?

Sykora is NOT a dime a dozen player.

How many teams have a 19 year old player like him in the AHL playing as well as him? He's going to be a VERY good 3rd liner, for this team for a decade. You don't trade him for a 30+ year old 7 goal scorer.

 

[RGY]

We should under no circumstance get Kane for prospects or picks after not signing him without assets

I agree with you. Big swing and a miss.

For those watching last night’s game, while it was an exhausted team, Lavy starts putting lines in a blender and really only ends up with one qualified top 6 line. They are missing that last Top 6 forward. Love Vesey but he is not it. He is good in small doses due to injuries.

 

[RGY]

Even if Rangers management wanted to bring back Kane, how were the Rangers paying him $2.75M? The Rangers started the season with less than $700,000 in cap space with 22 players. 13 forwards, 7 D and 2 G. The popular refrain from RGY was demote a player and give Kane $1.5M. Where was the other $1.25M coming from? Other teams tried to sign Kane to a 1 year $1M contract but he didn’t want that. We can't give you much more than that but we can talk about an extension in a few months. His agent Pat Brisson said no.

Rangers management didn't want to have Kane back. They had their reasons. It was a topic on the New York Post pod before Kane signed in Detroit. Andrew Harts brought it up and Mollie Walker rolled her eyes. The Rangers moved on from Kane. Rangers management didn't want Kane last March. They made a move for Tarasenko in February and Kane whined about it. Brisson is CAA. Leon Rose was CAA. His son Sam is CAA. Dolan got involved and Kane was a Ranger.

Oh please with referencing Mollie Walker. Spare me. I absolutely peg her as hating Kane for obvious reasons that were dismissed years ago.

Regarding the money; do you think he was signing for $2.75 here? Do you think he would maybe have signed for $2? And do you really think the Rangers couldnt get the $2 million to work? I mean cmon. Its not just a popular “refrain”, it was all possible.

I am so, so happy we are about trade assets to plug this hole now. I am sure you are too.

And just hit the @ button man.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I agree with you. Big swing and a miss.

For those watching last night’s game, while it was an exhausted team, Lavy starts putting lines in a blender and really only ends up with one qualified top 6 line. They are missing that last Top 6 forward. Love Vesey but he is not it. He is good in small doses due to injuries.

The only reason Vesey looks like he even half-fits with Mika and Kreider is that Mika and Kreider don't look like top-line players 5v5 either.

 

[Kovalev27]

Drury wasn’t going to take a chance on Kane with the limited money he had. Easy to monday morning QB today but at the time can’t blame him. Still can’t. Guys hip could go out any minute. Drury wants a guy to win 16 playoff games. If Kane took league minimum he would have been back but he wanted more than that.

Pretty crazy though we’ve only got 3 more games before the deadline. It’s around the corner. Something could go down today or tomorrow

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jamie Drysdale left the game yesterday and it was listed as upper body.
Cal Peterson has shown this year that he is not capable of playing in the NHL, even as a backup.
Trade Proposal:
To Flyers- Zac Jones and Louie Domingue
To Rangers- Nick Sellers and 2024 7th round pick

*** This post has been edited to comply with NHL guidelines.
Shoutout to GAGLline

 

[Ail]

However, I do think we kindaaa overrate them because we're so desperate for actual hockey players thanks to the soft goofies all over the team.

It's this 100%. Trading these guys would be a mistake because the Rangers can seemingly never develop these types of players consistently and we've seen historically how big of an impact they can make on a roster ala Hagelin, and Fast. We definitely overrate them, but rightfully so. The Rangers need them just as much as they need deadline talent to help them win a 'Cup.

 

[GAGLine]

The question is: What’s it gonna take?

Does Berard
Sykora
2024 1st


Get it done?

This would be a mistake. It isn't worth giving up that much for a few months of Eberle and an extra year of Gourde.

We have no idea what that 1st round pick will become. It could be another Perreault, another Bobby Sanguinetti, or anything in between. Regardless, it shouldn't be used for a short-term fix. If we are trading that pick, we better be getting back a younger player who can contribute for more than 2 playoff runs.

Berard and Sykora are already showing that they have good potential to be NHL players. We need young players on cheap contracts. That is what enables us to ice a deeper team and keep cap costs down. Look at the impact Cuylle, Edstrom and Rempe have had this year.

It may be that we'll have more wingers than we know what to do with, but it's not a problem yet. It would be short-sighted to move these players now because we think they might be expendable in the future. We moved Buch because we had Kakko and we're still trying to fill that void.

Jamie Drysdale left the game yesterday and it was listed as upper body.
Cal Peterson has shown this year that he is not capable of playing in the NHL, even as a backup.
Trade Proposal:
To Flyers- Zac Jones and Louie Domingue
To Rangers- Nick Sellers and 2024 7th round pick

*** If Nick Seelers resigns with NY the Flyers receive Rangers 2025 7th round pick

Trading Domingue leaves us without a 2nd goalie in Hartford, and leaves Garand as the 3rd goalie in case of injuries. Who are we replacing Domingue with?

It is no longer allowed to set conditions based on whether or not a player re-signs.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This would be a mistake. It isn't worth giving up that much for a few months of Eberle and an extra year of Gourde.

We have no idea what that 1st round pick will become. It could be another Perreault, another Bobby Sanguinetti, or anything in between. Regardless, it shouldn't be used for a short-term fix. If we are trading that pick, we better be getting back a younger player who can contribute for more than 2 playoff runs.

Berard and Sykora are already showing that they have good potential to be NHL players. We need young players on cheap contracts. That is what enables us to ice a deeper team and keep cap costs down. Look at the impact Cuylle, Edstrom and Rempe have had this year.

It may be that we'll have more wingers than we know what to do with, but it's not a problem yet. It would be short-sighted to move these players now because we think they might be expendable in the future. We moved Buch because we had Kakko and we're still trying to fill that void.


Trading Domingue leaves us without a 2nd goalie in Hartford, and leaves Garand as the 3rd goalie in case of injuries. Who are we replacing Domingue with?

It is no longer allowed to set conditions based on whether or not a player re-signs.

Thanks as always. I’ll go back an edit the post.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This would be a mistake. It isn't worth giving up that much for a few months of Eberle and an extra year of Gourde.

We have no idea what that 1st round pick will become. It could be another Perreault, another Bobby Sanguinetti, or anything in between. Regardless, it shouldn't be used for a short-term fix. If we are trading that pick, we better be getting back a younger player who can contribute for more than 2 playoff runs.

Berard and Sykora are already showing that they have good potential to be NHL players. We need young players on cheap contracts. That is what enables us to ice a deeper team and keep cap costs down. Look at the impact Cuylle, Edstrom and Rempe have had this year.

It may be that we'll have more wingers than we know what to do with, but it's not a problem yet. It would be short-sighted to move these players now because we think they might be expendable in the future. We moved Buch because we had Kakko and we're still trying to fill that void.


Trading Domingue leaves us without a 2nd goalie in Hartford, and leaves Garand as the 3rd goalie in case of injuries. Who are we replacing Domingue with?

It is no longer allowed to set conditions based on whether or not a player re-signs.

I would like to add to this that the Rangers are already without their 2nd round pick in 2025 AND 2026 due to the Nemeth cap dump.

You can't trade away 1st round picks if you're already without your 2nd round picks. That's how your prospect pool dries up, and you put yourself on course for a collapse as a team. Look no further than the 2013-2016 Ranger drafts.

In my opinion, a first rounder should only be used to acquire a player under control (Either 2 full seasons left or RFA at the end of his current deal).

 

[KOVALEV022473]

He wasn't for us.

lol. I think you better go check the numbers from last year.

 

[bl02]

I would like to add to this that the Rangers are already without their 2nd round pick in 2025 AND 2026 due to the Nemeth cap dump.

You can't trade away 1st round picks if you're already without your 2nd round picks. That's how your prospect pool dries up, and you put yourself on course for a collapse as a team. Look no further than the 2013-2016 Ranger drafts.

In my opinion, a first rounder should only be used to acquire a player under control (Either 2 full seasons left or RFA at the end of his current deal).

and so would trading two of Hartord's ES best players (and youngest). Developing well in Hartford only to see them traded to me is worse than giving up a first and I am not in favor of trading the first especially for a rental
Sykora and especially Berard should not be traded. I hope Drury shows some patience.

Maybe its just me but finally we are seeing two young forwards busting their ass every night in Hartford and doing the right thing (unlike other 2017 and 2018 draft picks. won't name names) and to trade them for a rental would be a mistake IMO.

 

[bernmeister]

It’s more of the question are they going to go all the way with Roslovic in the top 6 or a more established guy like Eberle ?

or better yet, no expensive rentals at all

Realistically, what can we get for a 1st rounder and without Othmann and Perreault?

a return not worth wasting the 1st on a rental

 

[Shesterkybomb]

or better yet, no expensive rentals at all


a return not worth wasting the 1st on a rental

The only thing is that our 1st has basically the same value as a 2nd if we continue to lead the league, so for this year im open to moving it for the right piece. I still believe we need someone who can take a center spot in the top 9, at the worst that player can shift to wing if we feel its unnecessary to have him in the 3c. Depth at C and D is what is necessary in playoffs.

 

[bernmeister]

The only thing is that our 1st has basically the same value as a 2nd if we continue to lead the league, so for this year im open to moving it for the right piece. I still believe we need someone who can take a center spot in the top 9, at the worst that player can shift to wing if we feel its unnecessary to have him in the 3c. Depth at C is what is necessary in playoffs.

yeah, it is tempting to say 'add'
but
no
odds are it is not gonna be smart/worthwhile

also, remember having ample picks is how, come draft day, you bundle and trade up to get a better prospect [KAM, etc]
let's stop pissing them away

smart move now is bring up Othmann, Berard
play twin towers
roll dice on Vesey deal if return high enuf