Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[GoAwayPanarin]

According to Sharks fans Gabe is just a complimentary piece and can't drive a line like the elite Smith.

have any sharks fans really been saying this?

its been mostly fans of other teams who can't back off of their narratives or understand that evaluations change.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I never said it was a good trade. I’d also trade 2 firsts for Buch yesterday if that’s all it takes, even if I think he’s a bit overrated. I just find it funny that fate has potentially brought Buch back.

1st + Othmann makes sense for both teams. I wouldn’t do that. Otter can be another Buchnevich for us and he’s 8 years younger.



This is ultimately how I feel about it. Time to let go.

This would be a giant overpayment & a disaster for us.

 

[RGY]

I don't want Guentzel because he'll cost way too much, but he is listed as both LW and RW. If he were brought in, it would be to play RW. I don't know why people continue to make such a big deal about wingers switching sides. It's not that hard of an adjustment. Laf did it. Othmann has been doing it in Hartford. Every winger should be able to play both sides.

We need to target someone who will be cheap to acquire and who can have success when put in the right situation. LW/RW, I don't care as long as they are willing to play RW.

Sure. I mean that’s why so many wingers either don’t do it, coaches don’t attempt it, or those wingers that do attempt it end up struggling and getting put back on the other side, right? I understand why someone would think its just so easy to do, but some of the big factors as to why they don’t is 1) routine and habits developed in how both zones are approached, 2) Stick Handedness plays a factor specifically tied to the 1st point, and 3) Positioning, whether its in your own end facing your own net with the point man behind you, playing a puck coming around the boards in your own end, lining up for a one timer in the O-zone, etc, all tied to the 1st two points.

Of course i am ecstatic Lafreniere made the switch, Othmann has done it, and guys like Guentzel were able to do it, but it is not so common or easy as you make it out to be.

 

[jacko23]

If Drury moves on from Kaapo Kakko this summer I feel somewhat confident that Brett Berard can anchor the third line playing his off-wing.
Berard could have a potential ceiling of a Yanni Gourde type.

You may be right or wrong, i dont know and this is not an attack on you, just an observation on the comment.

My fear is that this goes back to why Buch was moved...

Kakko had the POTENTIAL to replace Buch, but he has yet to live up to the potential and now people are entertaining the idea of getting Buch back.

See where im going with this?

 

[Ned Braden]

I agree it was a terrible trade but Buchnevich shouldn’t have a personal vendetta over it

I get that there are people on this board that are fixated on this trade, and have kind of bullied you into qualifying your thoughts on the Buch subject with agreement that the trade was terrible. Most of them just have a weird vendetta against Drury/pizza.

But you know what...it wasn't a bad trade. Buch was blocking both Kakko and Kratsov, and the Rangers needed the money they would have spent on Buch to pay a center on Panarin's line (first Strome and now Trocheck). Yeah...if they didn't trade Buch, they probably don't have Tro, who is essentially irreplaceable on this team.

Also, at the time the team needed to get tougher. It just did, and Blais was part of that culture change in NY. The Rangers didn't win anything with Buch. Those teams were soft. I'm not saying that was Buch's fault, but the direction Drury chose clearly worked.

The Rangers are a better team post-Buch. They are loaded with good, young wingers that are 0-2 years away, and are currently one of the best teams in the NHL.

The Rangers will also get better at the deadline via trade and/or young inhouse additions, and it's pretty great to have a choice between the two. Who gives a shit about Buch.

You want to talk about a bad trade, talk about JT Miller. That's almost never mentioned here though because it wasn't Drury and the right posters weren't mad about it. That was one of the worst trades in sports over the last decade.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

You may be right or wrong, i dont know and this is not an attack on you, just an observation on the comment.

My fear is that this goes back to why Buch was moved...

Kakko had the POTENTIAL to replace Buch, but he has yet to live up to the potential and now people are entertaining the idea of getting Buch back.

See where im going with this?

I see you point but just to be clear, I was not advocating for Kaapo Kakko to be traded. I was posting that Brett Berard could be a perfect 3rd line player in the NHL.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Stop trading Othmann, it would be the worst decision this team made since trading Zubov

 

[Avery16]

Move Goodrow to any team with the capspace to take him and which he won't block being moved to.

Pitlick/Edstrom/Rempe

 

[Vitto79]

Move Goodrow to any team with the capspace to take him and which he won't block being moved to.

Pitlick/Edstrom/Rempe

You realize some guys are just scorers in the AHL and with limited nhl minutes they do nothing like Pitlick right ?

 

[tlk]

I never said it was a good trade. I’d also trade 2 firsts for Buch yesterday if that’s all it takes, even if I think he’s a bit overrated. I just find it funny that fate has potentially brought Buch back.

1st + Othmann makes sense for both teams. I wouldn’t do that. Otter can be another Buchnevich for us and he’s 8 years younger.



This is ultimately how I feel about it. Time to let go.

Yeah I got you. It's a pipe dream anyway.

 

[Vitto79]

Stop trading Othmann, it would be the worst decision this team made since trading Zubov

Right the kid can slide in next year under a cheek entry level contract and be another Cuylee

 

[Avery16]

You realize some guys are just scorers in the AHL and with limited nhl minutes they do nothing like Pitlick right ?

People were saying the same about Brodzinski. But you don't have Pitlick on the 4th line to put up AHL offense. You have him on the 4th line to do what he was already doing here- hit people and take shots. Maybe he creates chances. It'd be more than Goodrow is doing and for a fraction of the cost.

 

[bobbop]

Pacioretty is another LW. The guy in Pittsburgh is another LW. Pacioretty said geography is very important to him. He would walk to NY to play for the Rangers. He is a LW.

He can and has played the right side

 

[Boris Zubov]

He can and has played the right side

How's his skating looked recently? I'd take a flyer on him for a 4th rounder if he can keep up.

 

[SRHRangers]

I would take a flier on Kaliyev.

Wouldn't cost much, and see what he can do with bigger mins next to Z and K.

Buch is the obvious best fit for that 1RW role, just based on their playing history.

The thing that drives me nuts about the Buch trade, was Buchs money went to signing Goodrow. One day apart. Imo, the Buch deal was to allow us to sign Goodrow.

That part is an even bigger failure than the trade itself.

 

[Vitto79]

People were saying the same about Brodzinski. But you don't have Pitlick on the 4th line to put up AHL offense. You have him on the 4th line to do what he was already doing here- hit people and take shots. Maybe he creates chances. It'd be more than Goodrow is doing and for a fraction of the cost.

Guys clear waivers for a reason

Goodrow at 1 million gets claimed for a teams pk and he’s not a Pansy

Goodrow is the better player people here crap on him more cause the contracts bad

You get a C between Goodrow and Vesey that won’t give up goals vs top line mismatches

 

[Clark Kellogg]

You realize some guys are just scorers in the AHL and with limited nhl minutes they do nothing like Pitlick right ?

How right you are.
Ryan Carpenter last year had 1 goal and 1 assist in 22 games with the Rangers.
Sent down to Hartford.
Scored 21 goals and 22 assists in 51 games for Hartford. I believe he had 13 goals in his firsts 22 games up there.
This year Ryan Carpenter has 3 goals and 6 assists in 38 games for San Jose and has 3 goals and 3 assists in 5 games for his AHL team.
Apples to Oranges.

 

[TominNC]

Sure. I mean that’s why so many wingers either don’t Some do it, coaches don’t attempt it, or those wingers that do attempt it end up struggling and getting put back on the other side, right? I understand why someone would think its just so easy to do, but some of the big factors as to why they don’t is 1) routine and habits developed in how both zones are approached, 2) Stick Handedness plays a factor specifically tied to the 1st point, and 3) Positioning, whether its in your own end facing your own net with the point man behind you, playing a puck coming around the boards in your own end, lining up for a one timer in the O-zone, etc, all tied to the 1st two points.

Of course i am ecstatic Lafreniere made the switch, Othmann has done it, and guys like Guentzel were able to do it, but it is not so common or easy as you make it out to be.

Some can some can't. It's not "easy" or automatic. And yes, a lot of players can't make the switch. It's often a fan video game thing "just have them switch sides!" because it's convenient. There's a reason teams don't do this all the time. Same on defense.

 

[RGY]

Kane on fire lmao. Carrying that Detroit team. I know the haters wont eat their crow.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kane on fire lmao. Carrying that Detroit team. I know the haters wont eat their crow.

Yea but it's only a matter of time until he's injured again.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kane on fire lmao. Carrying that Detroit team. I know the haters wont eat their crow.

This is going to trigger you, but nobody hates Kane. We're just worn out with the amount you talk about him.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Yea but it's only a matter of time until he's injured again.

That’s absolutely still worth a flyer for a 2nd round pick and $2.75m. Unfortunately, he probably won’t be available.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

That’s absolutely still worth a flyer for a 2nd round pick and $2.75m. Unfortunately, he probably won’t be available.

Definitely not if the Wings are in a playoff spot, or close to it.

 

[CLW]

Kane on fire lmao. Carrying that Detroit team. I know the haters wont eat their crow.

Because Kane is irrelevant. First time around was moronic because he was injured and f*cked up the team chemistry. Second time around he wasn't signed because he is still not a fit. For post season success this team doesn't need another Panarin, it needs a top 4 D that can play hockey and a NHL level two way forward that fits the lines.

 

[Avery16]

Guys clear waivers for a reason

Goodrow at 1 million gets claimed for a teams pk and he’s not a Pansy

Goodrow is the better player people here crap on him more cause the contracts bad

You get a C between Goodrow and Vesey that won’t give up goals vs top line mismatches

People here have shared the charts. Goodrow hurts every line he’s on. There isn’t a player to acquire that makes Goodrow into a positive. Besides, he’s paid like a player who makes all lines better.