Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Machinehead]

Where are the Rangers finding that player at the deadline?

If they can't, then don't. Don't sit Gustafsson because we couldn't find a player good enough to sit Lindgren.

I'm going to have a stroke reading this nonsense.

You know the team is playing well when we have nothing to discuss besides "hey let's just get bigger and toffer for the sake of it!"

 

[effen]

Canucks fan here.

What do you guys think about this:

Kuzmenko (1.5M retained) for Goodrow, 2024 1st and Gabe Perrault?

Essentially getting a 39 goal scorer (at @ 4M) and dumping a useless contract but you would have to give up Perrault and a late 1st (for retaining).

Tocchet and his caffeinated arteries is benching and sitting Kuzmenko because he wants all his players to play a two way game which has Kuzmenko being misused. Guy can easily score 30 goals a season with ice time which is super frustrating.

what y’all say

Rangers don't need a LW at all. Rangers have so many LWs they moved the #1 Overall pick from a few years ago to RW.

Ironically, Sammy Blais would be a good target as a 4th line physical RWer...

He has 1 goal in 31 games.

 

[effen]

They need a garden variety general 3rd line forward who's actually a 3rd liner (think Sam Lafferty) + a 7th D. That's it. Teams good, guys.

In an ideal world they have an actual 1LD and a top 6 forward who plays Cuylle's game. Those things are hard to come by and not really feasible at the moment.

 

[Alluckks]

Henrique I think is the right answer here. Let's, for fun, say that Othmann looks as good as he did last night and sticks. I think this team can make a run

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Othmann Henrique Wheeler
Cuylle Goodrow Vesey

If/when Chytil comes back then he slots in as 3C, Henrique to 4C, and then Goodrow to extra forward (or Wheeler to extra forward with Chytil at 3C, Henrique at 3RW who takes faceoffs)

Ice time distribution last night was 3rd line and 4th line both getting 11-12 mins each. That sounds about right for this team.

 

[Machinehead]

We could use another D who can play NHL minutes. If two of them get hurt, and Jones is already in, who's playing? Ben Harpur?

The last thing I would do is replace Gustafsson. Literally everyone playing in the NHL within the same price range is a downgrade on Gustafsson.

Get a backup, upgrade Lindgren, or do neither. That's the defense.

At forward, we don't really know what's going on with Chytil, but I would get a center anyway. If Chytil comes back, somebody moves to wing. We can demote Wheeler. He sucks. Him being on that line is not causal to Zibanejad getting over his annual covid start.

It's more likely they keep him there, drop Vesey to the 4th line, and put Bonino and Goodrow around Vesey's neck. At least the top nine would be good.

 

[Machinehead]

Imagine we get a center, let's say Henrique, and do these four lines in alphabetical order by center because they're not in any order.

Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Edstrom-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Othmann-Zibanejad-Henrique

Imagine having four good lines with no bad players. That has to be against the CBA or something.

 

[Machinehead]

I know they're gonna send Othmann down and leave Edstrom down there until he's 40, so Goodrow and Bonino can keep limping up the ice at the speed of depression, but let me dream.

 

[NYR Viper]

I know they're gonna send Othmann down and leave Edstrom down there until he's 40, so Goodrow and Bonino can keep limping up the ice at the speed of depression, but let me dream.

I wouldn't be against a Cuylle-Goodrow-______ line. I would try Edstrom there but he is hurt, week to week, upper body. If he's out for a while, that's the spot I look to upgrade. Go get a good RWer who likes to hit and can play good 2-way hockey to throw on that line.

 

[Machinehead]

I wouldn't be against a Cuylle-Goodrow-______ line. I would try Edstrom there but he is hurt, week to week, upper body. If he's out for a while, that's the spot I look to upgrade. Go get a good RWer who likes to hit and can play good 2-way hockey to throw on that line.

Maybe just Jimmy Vesey.

I'm more ok with playing Vesey "down" in the lineup if he's only with one moron instead of two.

I'm not saying don't still go for an upgrade, but Vesey's versatility allows us to target any type of player.

 

[Machinehead]

Ok let's forget my good lines and be realistic here. Kakko is almost back. I'm sure we're going to do something at the deadline.

Kreider-Zibanejad-XXXX
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere (I'm going to eat paint, but they're sticking with it)
Cuylle-XXXX-Kakko
XXXX-XXXX-Vesey

Potentially Chytil, an acquisition, Wheeler, Othmann, Bonino, and Goodrow going for four spots. Pitlick is probably done if we're healthy. So too is Brodzinski who can go back to being Connor McDavid in the AHL, and good for him.

They surely can't find to a way to continue playing both Bonino and Goodrow, can they?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Taking a puck-mover out for a bigger defender for #ThePlayoffs, is like getting a bigger car to absorb a car accident instead of just not getting in the accident.

PMD's avoid heavy contact better than larger defensive defensemen. Common f***ing sense tbh.

“[insert PMD here] will get eaten alive in the playoffs” as Trouba gets his pocket picked clean by the Canes forecheck for the 800th time

 

[JimmyG89]

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere (I'm going to eat paint, but they're sticking with it)

Is it the results? The line is generating a 57% shot share and roughly the same on most other metrics. It's the dead split at production?

They're being run like a top offensive line and being even at 5v5 can be the only thing.

Replacing Trocheck and Chytil is roughly the same results (based on NST data). The only difference I can see with the two different trios is that Chytil in the middle can make that line very explosive. Trocheck doesn't have that in his game. We've seen both do well, so I don't care who the center is between those two outside of Mika, cause we all know that him and Panarin 5v5 has not worked.

 

[Machinehead]

Is it the results? The line is generating a 57% shot share and roughly the same on most other metrics. It's the dead split at production?

They're being run like a top offensive line and being even at 5v5 can be the only thing.

Replacing Trocheck and Chytil is roughly the same results (based on NST data). The only difference I can see with the two different trios is that Chytil in the middle can make that line very explosive. Trocheck doesn't have that in his game. We've seen both do well, so I don't care who the center is between those two outside of Mika, cause we all know that him and Panarin 5v5 has not worked.

It was just a little bit better with Chytil and Trocheck is a better player than Chytil. Trocheck can help another line be more effective than whatever line Chytil lands on while you lose nothing on the Panarin line.

That's my rationale. The only reason I'm prickly about it is because it's going to be one of those things where the Rangers just stick with the thing they've been doing because they've been doing it and don't consider anything else. It's limited thinking.

 

[Machinehead]

Security blanket mindset always annoys me. Teams should literally always be trying to improve.

I will say that Laviolette has been a huge upgrade on Gallant in that regard.

Gallant would have been back to the Kid f***ing Line as soon as we lost game 2 of the season in Columbus.

At least Lavi got us over that nonsense and occasionally jiggers things when we're not playing well.

 

[kovazub94]

This could be a case where they legitimately shut him down for a while, like no physical exertion at all and now he needs to get ramped back up like he did in the summer. In that case, going back home and working with his preferred trainer would make sense

That was my take when we learned about Chytil going home (after reports of him starting to feel better). Conspiracy theory that it happened so he would stay on LTIR until playoffs for TDL maneuvering was a far second. Everything else like end of career was just nonsense.

 

[kovazub94]

Rangers don't need a LW at all. Rangers have so many LWs they moved the #1 Overall pick from a few years ago to RW.

That’s the thing that bothered you in that completely ridiculous suggestion? haha

 

[bl02]

Security blanket mindset always annoys me. Teams should literally always be trying to improve.

I will say that Laviolette has been a huge upgrade on Gallant in that regard.

Gallant would have been back to the Kid f***ing Line as soon as we lost game 2 of the season in Columbus.

At least Lavi got us over that nonsense and occasionally jiggers things when we're not playing well.

Not that Lavi would have that option anyway. Two of 3 basically haven't even played this year AND the other plays on basically the best line we have had in forever. Only an insane person would breakup the Trocheck line. They have basically been our best line (creating offense) for like 90 percent of the games they have been together.

 

[Machinehead]

That’s the thing that bothered you in that completely ridiculous suggestion? haha

I actually didn't think it was a terrible concept. I'm just not willing to give up Perreault.

 

[bernmeister]

Canucks fan here.

What do you guys think about this:

Kuzmenko (1.5M retained) for Goodrow, 2024 1st and Gabe Perrault?

Essentially getting a 39 goal scorer (at @ 4M) and dumping a useless contract but you would have to give up Perrault and a late 1st (for retaining).

Tocchet and his caffeinated arteries is benching and sitting Kuzmenko because he wants all his players to play a two way game which has Kuzmenko being misused. Guy can easily score 30 goals a season with ice time which is super frustrating.

what y’all say

no

I would only move Gabe P at this pt for like
Gabe P + LaF +
for
Sanderson +

adds to be figured out
no short term rental types

want foundation pieces even if reasonable overpay involved

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We need to switch around some lines/pairings more than anything. Especially the D pairings, they have all gone stale.

 

[bl02]

I think most of us are fine with sitting out Bonino and Goodrow at this point but I would like a nice sample size of how are pk will do without them. They are probably our best pk duo. I'm not gonna defend either one of them because they have been bad 5 on 5 and produce basically nothing but having a bad pk can be demoralizing.

 

[Machinehead]

Not that Lavi would have that option anyway. Two of 3 basically haven't even played this year AND the other plays on basically the best line we have had in forever. Only an insane person would breakup the Trocheck line. They have basically been our best line (creating offense) for like 90 percent of the games they have been together.

Yeah and the Chytil line was the best line during the other games.

Panarin and Lafreniere just need to be with a competent center.

Trocheck doesn't add anything the line doesn't have. Chytil does because he's an upgrade defensively.

You know you can try things and then change them back if you want, right? I just hate treating lines like we're separating a calf from its mother. That goes for any line.

People want to sit our third best defensman to trade for Dick Feeler because he's two inches taller and I'm insane.

 

[bernmeister]

Henrique I think is the right answer here. Let's, for fun, say that Othmann looks as good as he did last night and sticks. I think this team can make a run

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Othmann Henrique Wheeler
Cuylle Goodrow Vesey

If/when Chytil comes back then he slots in as 3C, Henrique to 4C, and then Goodrow to extra forward (or Wheeler to extra forward with Chytil at 3C, Henrique at 3RW who takes faceoffs)

Ice time distribution last night was 3rd line and 4th line both getting 11-12 mins each. That sounds about right for this team.

No on Henri
would consider
some variation of
Goodrow + Lindgren + better pick
for
Vatrano + Helleson + worse pick

we need young righty RD who might emerge


stop w/expiring rentals
Vats is also next season possible extension
means we MAYBE can sell hgh on LaF

 

[bl02]

Yeah and the Chytil line was the best line during the other games.

Panarin and Lafreniere just need to be with a competent center.

Trocheck doesn't add anything the line doesn't have. Chytil does because he's an upgrade defensively.

You know you can try things and then change them back if you want, right? I just hate treating lines like we're separating a calf from its mother. That goes for any line.

People want to sit our third best defensman to trade for Dick Feeler because he's two inches taller and I'm insane.

I would like to see Chytil one last time together with Kakko maybe with Cuylle on the LW?
One last chance for a center to mesh with him because it sure hasn't worked with Zib.

Trocheck has beyond good with that line. Winning key faceoffs doesn't hurt as well.

Of course we can change lines if they are stagnating but the thing is this line hasn't. Hopefully when Chytil comes back he will be 1st in line to take Trocheck's spot if that line stagnates a bit otherwise no way should they mess with it. It's been a very large sample size now that line has been our best without question.

 

[kovazub94]

I actually didn't think it was a terrible concept. I'm just not willing to give up Perreault.

That’s the ridiculous part together with asking for a 1st for a player who can’t help himself not being benched and $800k overpayment on Goodrow - someone ‘Nucks could actually use come playoff time.