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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Kakko reminds me of Norm Macdonald's Better Than Ezra joke. At #1 is Better Than Ezra. At #2 is... Ezra.

At #1 is Better Than Kakko (Laf). At #2, Kakko.
 
RangerBoy said:
Chris has had three years to correct the issues. Add more size. Add more grit. Now we read Drury wants to add players with grit and jam in the bottom six. Where has he been the last three years? Chris is the problem. Do you have faith in him making the right moves? I don't. The same issues still exist. He has traded away a million picks with nothing to show for it. The guy traded Buchnevich for Blais and a 2nd round pick. He signs Nemeth and adds two second round picks to move the contract. The cap issues were tough and he made harder. Goodrow is an anchor on the cap. Gave Chytil $4.4375M after giving Trocheck $5.7M. He sandbagged Gorton and JD to take over. He is awful.
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You missed the big and most important one - add more talent.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Why are the Chytil and Trocheck contracts counted as bad deals? Both were clearly below market and Chytil having a career altering injury isnt really Drury's fault.
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The team has a limited amount of money. The Rangers have a fortune on LW and C. They have two RHD making a fortune. The RW is a mess. Lafreniere needed to be moved to RW. The Rangers don't have that much money. Spread out the money. That's on Drury and Ryan Martin.
 
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bl02 said:
so you would be ok giving him 8 years X 8.5 million likely with a NTC?
Panarin/Trouba/Kreider will all be gone way before that. I'm just not sure if he will age like Bergeron. We can't afford to have two old regressing high paid centers long term.
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He ain’t getting that give me a break let’s breathe . What’d Trocheck get? And people complained about that even. Was a steal. People were saying Mika was going to get 10 11 mil. He got 8.5.

Lindholm isn’t getting 8.5 coming off his worst statistical year. But will I pay a center that can play right wing? You bet. I was happy we paid Trocheck. I’ll be happy to pay Lindholm. Centers don’t grow on trees. I hate paying wingers. And I hate paying LEft defensemen. You guys know that.
 
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will1066 said:
I don't disagree at all. He's made lots of errors. He should've tried to keep guys like Buch, Vatrano. However, I'm willing to ride the next round of moves only because this current core needs to be rid of, as long as he doesn't give away more farm.
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The GM is the GM. I dont think Gorton or JD wouldve made significantly better or worse moves. Ultimately the high priced guys that were here before Drury should get the blame. Panarin has been a no show in the playoffs outside of the Game 7 goal against PIT. Meeka and Kreider have been here forever and havent exactly presided over a culture of consistent winning. Trouba was overpaid the minute Gorton signed him. They all have largely underperformed relative to team expectations. Thats who Im going to blame if this season goes belly up and they need to retool.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
He ain’t getting that give me a break let’s breathe . What’d Trocheck get? And people complained about that even. Was a steal. People were saying Mika was going to get 10 11 mil. He got 8.5.

Lindholm isn’t getting 8.5 coming off his worst statistical year. But will I pay a center that can play right wing? You bet. I was happy we paid Trocheck. I’ll be happy to pay Lindholm. Centers don’t grow on trees. I hate paying wingers. And I hate paying LEft defensemen. You guys know that.
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Trocheck deal is a terrific one and that's not hindsight. Most of us knew picking him over Strome/Copp was a great decision especially considering the style of hockey he plays.
I don't watch Lindholm enough but if we are giving him 8 years we better make sure it's not gonna be an anchor of a contract in a few years.
Let's say Even if he takes 7.5 million are we ready to pay our 3C that much money at 30 years old?
 
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Raspewtin said:
kinda bored of the gritsters on the team being our worst players every playoffs and this board turning around and saying "yeah that's what we need more of!!!"
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We will always have Reaves big hit on Malkin on his first shift of the playoffs in 2021 (and literally nothing else)

Kovalev27 said:
He ain’t getting that give me a break let’s breathe . What’d Trocheck get? And people complained about that even. Was a steal. People were saying Mika was going to get 10 11 mil. He got 8.5.

Lindholm isn’t getting 8.5 coming off his worst statistical year. But will I pay a center that can play right wing? You bet. I was happy we paid Trocheck. I’ll be happy to pay Lindholm. Centers don’t grow on trees. I hate paying wingers. And I hate paying LEft defensemen. You guys know that.
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Especially considering that a constant gripe on this board is lack of long term center depth. 6-7 year deal is long term, even if I hate paying 30 year olds
 
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McRanger92 said:
The GM is the GM. I dont think Gorton or JD wouldve made significantly better or worse moves. Ultimately the high priced guys that were here before Drury should get the blame. Panarin has been a no show in the playoffs outside of the Game 7 goal against PIT. Meeka and Kreider have been here forever and havent exactly presided over a culture of consistent winning. Trouba was overpaid the minute Gorton signed him. They all have largely underperformed relative to team expectations. Thats who Im going to blame if this season goes belly up and they need to retool.
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This mess is largely Gorton and JD's doing. Drury is also culpable for re-upping Meeka but not finding a way to keep Buch to keep that chemistry alive and then putting out for Goodrow. Still, there was no way of telling that Meeka would crash and as far as Goodrow, he shares a common thing with him called winning a Stanley Cup, thinking he could influence the culture here.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
I don’t know why any of you are surprised we’re going all in.

Mika
Panarin
Trocheck
Trouba
Kreider

All 30 all locked in long term with No move clauses. We have to win now. These are the guys that have to get it done. We aren’t rebuilding anytime soon. Not until Panarin is finished.

By the way I can see Lindholm extended. Centers don’t grow on trees and hoping Chytil can come back next year is nuts. This guy can play center AND RW. So if Chytil does come back this guy can play on the top line and he actually thrives with top players. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us give up real assets to get him with that being the plan.
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Not true. Trouba's NMC becomes a limited NTC after this year and I don't believe Kreider and Trocheck have iron clad NMC's either but why would you trade either of them anyway. Trouba certainly can be traded this summer but it takes two to tango and that cap hit may be a problem for other teams.
 
Gorton and Davidson are mostly to blame for this mess. Give me a break. There are some on this board that refuse to hand them some blame. Trouba did not need to get $8M per season. They signed Kreider because the COVID year gifted us a guy we had no business getting. They also didn't make Lafreniere's development a priority. At least the Kid Line had an identity under Gallant. Where was that directive from Gorton or Davidson with Quinn? Both Kakko and Laf and even Chytil had no identity. First year with Gallant they made ECF and went up 2-0 on a team that had won the previous two Cups. Spare me the Drury has destroyed this team bs.
 
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So Kakko a first rounder and 2nd rounder (becomes another first in 25 if we win the cup). For either a rental or 6-7 years at 7.5-8 million. Do Ranger Fans do that?
Boston would be able to offer up a first plus Frederic plus Poitras.
 
bl02 said:
So Kakko a first rounder and 2nd rounder (becomes another first in 25 if we win the cup). For either a rental or 6-7 years at 7.5-8 million. Do Ranger Fans do that?
Boston would be able to offer up a first plus Frederic plus Poitras.
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If Boston wants to offer that they can have him. That’s more of an overpay than anything involving Kakko from our end
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
Not true. Trouba's NMC becomes a limited NTC after this year and I don't believe Kreider and Trocheck have iron clad NMC's either but why would you trade either of them anyway. Trouba certainly can be traded this summer but it takes two to tango and that cap hit may be a problem for other teams.
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Kreider's NMC turns into a limited NTC this summer.

If there is any major restructuring this offseason I would guess it starts with him because hes not someone they would have any trouble moving.
 
This board is pretty comical when the team has a long break and then add in the story by the hack Larry Brooks and boom it's crazy land. Some of you are acting like it's more than just attention seeking clickbait by a known clickbait whore who is often wrong. The Rangers are going to make some deadline moves but can we please wait until they are actually a reality before jumping off a ledge because Larry Brooks said it's a possibility. Drury should be taking calls on every single player on the team not named Fox. It doesn't mean that they are all going to be traded.
 
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bl02 said:
Trocheck deal is a terrific one and that's not hindsight. Most of us knew picking him over Strome/Copp was a great decision especially considering the style of hockey he plays.
I don't watch Lindholm enough but if we are giving him 8 years we better make sure it's not gonna be an anchor of a contract in a few years.
Let's say Even if he takes 7.5 million are we ready to pay our 3C that much money at 30 years old?
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I doubt he gets 8 years too he’s not a star player he’s 29 years old drury won’t give up real assets like kakko for him without an extension is my guess

And @RangerBoy the core stinks?
Which guy Kreider? Mika? Panarin? Three guys who prob you could argue will have jerseys hanging from the roof with some of the best numbers in our history? They stink? They’re getting thrown away? Prob not.

Trocheck stinks? No

Fox?

Trouba? We loved troubas first 20 games. He just had a baby can we maybe give the guy a break?


They’re going to try and win.
 
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We have too much money tied up on the left side.
We should not be trading Kakko unless we get a sure #2 future centre... Lundell, Greig...
In the offseason, we need to trade Kreider. Hopefully for a solid big young right winger like Jake Neighbours.
If Perrault has a solid offseason.. he should be a top 6 RW next season. Kid is incredibly talented

Panarin - Trochek - Neighbours
Lafreniere - Greig - Perrault
Cuylle - Zibanejad - Otthman

Zibanejad and Goodrow lose thier captaincy.
Needs to go to Trochek & Lafreniere.
 
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I dont think lindholm is a fit here, he's a pure rental, there's no way he resigns here. Give me someone we can either sign or has term.
 
Kovalev27 said:
I doubt he gets 8 years too he’s not a star player he’s 29 years old drury won’t give up real assets like kakko for him without an extension is my guess

And @RangerBoy the core stinks?
Which guy Kreider? Mika? Panarin? Three guys who prob you could argue will have jerseys hanging from the roof with some of the best numbers in our history? They stink? They’re getting thrown away? Prob not.

Trocheck stinks? No

Fox?

Trouba? We loved troubas first 20 games. He just had a baby can we maybe give the guy a break?


They’re going to try and win.
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Im with you that the core has talented enough players to win a Cup but the bottom line is the team is very soft. Too soft to win anything. There is no magic bullet trade that is going to make the core guys play in a straight line when the fancy bullshit fails. They need to go for it but the blame rests on every guy in that locker room who wears a letter. It's not been close to good enough. Too many guys who dont want to lead from the front.
 
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