Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[mike14]

As it stands we've only got 1 2nd round pick in the next 3 years, and a huge organsiational hole at center. Unless we are dealing picks in the first 3 rounds for assets that can help beyond 1 year (and ideally 2+) they should really stand pat and look to the offseason for their moves.
A guy like Vatrano for a 3rd? Yeah go nuts. But no high priced rentals for one run that isn't likely to succeed.

 

[kovazub94]

I picture Hayes as a cap space the Blues would love to get rid of so the cost would not be nearly that high.

Getting rid of full cap space - maybe. Retaining almost $4m for the next two seasons? No way.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

This is absolutely not the point of my post. Blues are not tanking. If anything maybe they’re doing a soft retool on the fly. There’s virtually zero chance they’re eating this much cap space and losing Hayes on discount.

You have zero idea what the blues will or won't do. They just fired their Cup winning head coach, I'm willing to bet anything is on the table if they fall out of the playoff race which I'm highly confident they will because they're just not a good team.

They can trade Hayes and not tank, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

They couldn't tank this year regardless, they're way too far ahead the cellar dwellers and way too far behind any chance to have playoff success if they even make it

 

[kovazub94]

You have zero idea what the blues will or won't do. They just fired their Cup winning head coach, I'm willing to bet anything is on the table if they fall out of the playoff race which I'm highly confident they will because they're just not a good team.

They can trade Hayes and not tank, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

They couldn't tank this year regardless, they're way too far ahead the cellar dwellers and way too far behind any chance to have playoff success if they even make it

You’re right

 

[Alluckks]

Dowd fits, would be a deadline day move when Washington faces facts

Hanifin would be great with the cap flexibility; extend him and ship out Lindgren (either in the trade since he has an extra year left anyway or in the offseason)

 

[JimmyG89]

You're arguing against yourself. This is 4th liner who's forced to play above due to roster construction. This is what the Rangers already have in Vesey - Goodrow - Pitlick line. How's Dowd a good fit unless the Rangers decide to go with two strictly defensive lines (which maybe could've been possible if the they figured out how to make both top-2 lines effective simultaneously)

No, he's a 3rd line forward with the most difficult assignment in the league, bar none. His quality of teammates would shoot through the roof playing with Kakko/Cuylle/Vesey compared to what he has right now. He also knows the system with Laviolette being there last season. There would be little to no on ice transition needed. His usage would not be the same either as he'd get more OZ faceoffs by default since the 4th line will take the brunt of that as well.

Also Dowd is a low enough cap hit that you can get a RW to replace Wheeler in the lineup, but as of now RW is 3rd on the priority list for this team. They would be able to deploy Mika's line similar to Trocheck's line too, where it is a heavy bias towards OZ starts. Dowd would help this team more than any RW on the market. There is some untapped offense in there too. You've already got two PPG centers as your 1A/1B. Your 3C can be a 30 point all situations player.

 

[kovazub94]

No, he's a 3rd line forward with the most difficult assignment in the league, bar none. His quality of teammates would shoot through the roof playing with Kakko/Cuylle/Vesey compared to what he has right now. He also knows the system with Laviolette being there last season. There would be little to no on ice transition needed. His usage would not be the same either as he'd get more OZ faceoffs by default since the 4th line will take the brunt of that as well.

Also Dowd is a low enough cap hit that you can get a RW to replace Wheeler in the lineup, but as of now RW is 3rd on the priority list for this team. They would be able to deploy Mika's line similar to Trocheck's line too, where it is a heavy bias towards OZ starts. Dowd would help this team more than any RW on the market. There is some untapped offense in there too. You've already got two PPG centers as your 1A/1B. Your 3C can be a 30 point all situations player.

It’s a matter of opinion / judgment where I don’t think his offense will significantly improve but you do. Again, his cap cost is low enough to be of value on the deep roster and I’d be ok with lower offensive production in the matchup role if our top-6 was composed of essentially two 1st lines - but it’s not the case.

 

[bl02]

Figures we are starting to develop some young forwards the right way down in Hartford (Sykora/Berard and Rempe/Edstrom to a lesser extent) and some are ready to include them in trades.

 

[Guyute]

That Calgary thing makes zero sense. I'm the guy that has been debating that we should consider trading Miller. But there's no way we trade him for 2 impending free agents. As for them wanting Lindgren. Why? The guy states the problem they had with those 2 guys is that nobody wants to te sign in Calgary. So, do we think they will deal their best trade chip(s) for a season and a month of Lindgren. He's a RFA at years end and an UFA after next year. I think the devil is in the details. What else do we have to include with Lindgren?

Don’t bother with that rumor monger. Even shit would say that guy is full of shit.

 

[bl02]

Hayes? Monahan? For various reasons NO!!!

 

[McRanger92]

It’s a matter of opinion / judgment where I don’t think his offense will significantly improve but you do. Again, his cap cost is low enough to be of value on the deep roster and I’d be ok with lower offensive production in the matchup role if our top-6 was composed of essentially two 1st lines - but it’s not the case.

Unpopular opinion but we dont need offense from that 3C spot. We need a guy who can chip in a few goals, handle difficult assignments, forecheck hard, PK and play physical. The rest of the lineup will fall into place with Dowd. The Rangers need to build a team that can defend, because if they dont, it wont matter if MIka/Kreider/Panarin raise their game in the playoffs. We cant count on Igor bailing us out.

 

[McRanger92]

Hanifin is worth a 1st if you extend him, which should be be part of the calculation

 

[B17 Apricots]

Kevin Hayes
$3.75m cap hit for this year and 2 more years
6'5
Center with chemistry with Kreider and Vesey already
Good defensive player
Good on faceoffs
LH which actually fits well
21 points in 48 games this year playing ~14:40 per game

When St Louis falls out of the race, and they will, and they start pawning off some of their assets like Buch and Scandella, inquire about Hayes. Is he perfect? No. But he would fit what the team needs NOW and his 2 remaining years @ $3.75m are not a problem for a center/wing who can still put up 40-50 points a year and play good 2-way hockey.


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Hayes-Vesey
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Kakko
______-Goodrow-Pitlick

The team would have ~$800 in savings from Chytil still plus a bit more when they send down Brodzinski so say ~$1.5-1.8m to find a good depth forward.

I think Hayes would be a fantastic add if the Blues wind up selling, I'd just be curious about the cost. He's not a rental, which I'm a fan of.. and really there needs to be some contingency plan in case Chytil's future is in doubt. His price tag is exactly what we can afford and a big plus is that if Chytil can return Hayes will still fit within the cap. Aside from young ELC players, how many centers are you going to find at that cap hit who are at Kevin Hayes' level? Not many.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Hayes would be a fantastic add if the Blues wind up selling, I'd just be curious about the cost. He's not a rental, which I'm a fan of.. and really there needs to be some contingency plan in case Chytil's future is in doubt. His price tag is exactly what we can afford and a big plus is that if Chytil can return Hayes will still fit within the cap. Aside from young ELC players, how many centers are you going to find at that cap hit who are at Kevin Hayes' level? Not many.

Hayes is a big softy which is a strike against him but he can hang onto the puck, play D and fits with a lot of our wingers. Not sure how much hes got left in the tank, especially if hes a 3 year commitment. I dont mind him

 

[17futurecap]

Laughed that it’s from Mickey8 on Twitter.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

For reals, I thought everyone laughed mickey8rangers rumors off the boards last year.

He’s way more wrong than he is right, but every so often he gets one correct out of nowhere. Enough to not totally dispel his rumors but at least take them with a massive amount of salt.

Whether he’s accurate about it or not, the actual proposed deal is at least a thought-provoking one.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Hayes is a big softy which is a strike against him but he can hang onto the puck, play D and fits with a lot of our wingers. Not sure how much hes got left in the tank, especially if hes a 3 year commitment. I dont mind him

Theres some similarities to Kevin Hayes' game and Kappo Kakko's game too. They're both big bodies that can shield off defenders and play a strong possession game. A couple years ago that kid line did a lot of damage in the playoffs playing a strong cycle game. Hayes, Kakko and Cuylle could be a really interesting line that compliments each other well. Lots of zone time

 

[McRanger92]

Theres some similarities to Kevin Hayes' game and Kappo Kakko's game too. They're both big bodies that can shield off defenders and play a strong possession game. A couple years ago that kid line did a lot of damage in the playoffs playing a strong cycle game. Hayes, Kakko and Cuylle could be a really interesting line that compliments each other well. Lots of zone time

Im just not sure who would score the goals on that line

He’s way more wrong than he is right, but every so often he gets one correct out of nowhere. Enough to not totally dispel his rumors but at least take them with a massive amount of salt.

Whether he’s accurate about it or not, the actual proposed deal is at least a thought-provoking one.

Pretty sure we are his "source" because I remember talking about dealing KAM for an extended Hanifin a week and a half ago.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Im just not sure who would score the goals on that line

No one

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Also, for as rational as I think it is for the Rangers to either be sellers at this Deadline or just take a wait-and-see approach, the reality is there’s a 0% chance our owner sees it that way.

This team is absolutely, positively going to be buyers. And probably as aggressive as they can be given the limited cap space.

 

[McRanger92]

No one

On either side lol

 

[Vitto79]

Kuzmenko worth a look on the Zib line ?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kuzmenko worth a look on the Zib line ?

Not at that price.

Plus he makes Zib and Kreider look like Callahan.

 

[RangerBoy]

Sean Monahan, Canadiens: An ideal fit in the mold of Henrique, but people briefed on the situation have been saying for weeks what Elliotte Friedman reported on Saturday night: There is no love lost between former Rangers GM Jeff Gorton, now the top Montreal executive, and Drury. There’s also the matter of Gorton having hired two of the longtime Rangers employees Drury has fired, scouting director Nick Bobrov and medical trainer Jim Ramsay. A person who talks to the Canadiens regularly said Montreal’s front office has believed for a while now that there’s no chance Drury even reaches out to Canadiens GM Kent Hughes. Perhaps that changes, but indications are both sides are looking elsewhere.

Rangers trade targets, All-Star break edition — Filip Chytil's absence changes focus

Filip Chytil being out for the season means the Rangers need a center and a right-side forward.

theathletic.com

Drury cozied up to Dolan and staged the coup.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Whether it’s a BS rumor or not, what do people think of the below proposal?

NYR get…
- Lindholm
- Hanifin (50% retained)

CGY get…
- Lindgren
- NYR 2024 1st
- Sykora
- Another mid/late pick