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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Machinehead said:
Every line Tarasenko was on was absolutely awful.

That's not necessarily his fault but some players just aren't a fit. We have the luxury of already knowing that.
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You mean Tarasenko wasn't a good fit with Kreider and Mika??

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I Eat Crow said:
Take out Tarasenko and our 1st and this is something I do. Stop trading premium prospects and picks for rentals. The Rangers get at least 3 seasons of team control of Pinto. He's the 3rd line center off the bat with the potential to usurp Zibanejad very, very soon. The Rangers need to have a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" mentality with Chytil.
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Yeah, Pinto is the centerpiece of the trade, not Tarasenko - though he does address a pressing immediate need.

I'm not sure that I make the deal either and I'm not even sure Ottawa does. There's a logjam ahead of Othmann at LW.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
Imagine thinking coaching is why they turned it around and not a combo of Skinner playing well and McDavid being McDavid again.
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Show me a team changing its fortunes one way or another and I will show you goaltending position being a culprit for the turnaround.

The Rangers own 4-8 record in the last 12 could've easily been 9-4 with any type of competent goaltending in this stretch, even with all the issues discussed here ad nauseum.
 
DanielBrassard said:
We already tried Tarasenko and it didn't go that well, look elsewhere.
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Tarasenko was actually fine. It was the other RW that didn't fit.

kovazub94 said:
Show me a team changing its fortunes one way or another and I will show you goaltending position being a culprit for the turnaround.

The Rangers own 4-8 record in the last 12 could've easily been 9-4 with any type of competent goaltending in this stretch, even with all the issues discussed here ad nauseum.
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They haven't played all that well but their puck luck has been absurdly bad.

It seems as if every mistake immediately bites them in the ass. Nobody plays mistake free hockey.
 
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Profet said:
This made me laugh... because it's so true:

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Well, for starters, "I can talk shit about me but you can't talk shit about me" is every fanbase.

Also, the Rangers are really good at staying relevant without being good at most of the things contenders are good at.

That leads to a lot of the "no, you don't understand" sentiment when people praise the Rangers, but it also leads to criticisms of the Rangers that are off-base.

A lot of the critiques of the Rangers, whether it's on the main boards, or even on here, are like trying to do algebra to addition. "How can a team that's good at X, Y, and Z fail in this situation?"

They're just not that good.

Just the other day somebody said "well they have great D and goaltending, so something must be wrong with the forward corps." You're 1-for-3, pal.

Then that leads to "well if the problem is the forward corps, then Panarin just isn't that good" which is stupid and I'm going to be all over you for saying that.
 
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Squeeze everything you can out of this roster and try and win. Prospects, picks, conditional picks who gives a shit. Let Drury go full Darth Sith Smith a la 1994. The future can go kick rocks. Do whatever it takes and if (and probably when) it fails, then rebuild in two seasons. You'll still have Laff and Fox.
 
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I love Elliotte and Marek. They are funny sometimes. Elliotte does not see the Leafs going crazy at the deadline because he doesn't feel they are good enough. Management does not think they are good enough. They discussed the Brooks tweets from yesterday about the Rangers not being a 3rd line center away from winning it all. They feel the Rangers will make a trade because they always make moves. Where have those moves gotten them? You can't keep making those moves every year. Three years in a row? Drury has traded away two first round picks for rentals.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Squeeze everything you can out of this roster and try and win. Prospects, picks, conditional picks who gives a shit. Let Drury go full Darth Sith Smith a la 1994. The future can go kick rocks. Do whatever it takes and if (and probably when) it fails, then rebuild in two seasons. You'll still have Laff and Fox.
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Trade away some of the core players for that philosophy to work.
 
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They're going to make some moves a the deadline. Thye should. Going for it or not is a false dichotomy.

Just don't trade a 1st round pick for a rental. I probably wouldn't do that even if I felt we had the best team in the league. The success rate on it just isn't there.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
Squeeze everything you can out of this roster and try and win. Prospects, picks, conditional picks who gives a shit. Let Drury go full Darth Sith Smith a la 1994. The future can go kick rocks. Do whatever it takes and if (and probably when) it fails, then rebuild in two seasons. You'll still have Laff and Fox.
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NO NO NO NO
LEARN FROM MISTAKES
NO
 
Losing Chytil really blows.

We need to create a dominant third line to compete.

I wonder who will really pay up for Lindholm. He would be so ideal.

Henrique is intriguing for the bottom six. Also keep thinking Eberle could be a good fit at low cost.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Nick Dowd is 2012-2016 Brian Boyle. Whether anyone likes it or not, he's a 3C. In every sense he is someone that can produce given a more offensive role.

He currently is on a line that has the most difficult assignment in the league. This is not hyperbole. Nick Dowd gets 1 offensive zone faceoff per game (41 total). On top of that, he gets ~8 defensive zone faceoffs per game (299 total).

He's asked to get the puck from his end to the other team's end of the ice and he does it at a clip where the 41% of the expected goals are for the Caps. Anyone with similar usage (that aren't his linemates) are worse statistically. That is what Moore-Boyle-Carcillo/Dorsett was in 13-14. The biggest difference between those teams is the top end is much better you can go with this as a 3rd line type build.

His stats were even better last season in basically the same role, the difference is that his line was broken up. Hathaway was his main running mate. Can Jimmy Vesey be his new Hathaway? Will Cuylle could be that guy too. It's not out of the realm. Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko as your 3rd line. That is a rough and tumble line that will grind you down and get you out of your zone AND they'd chip in offensively because they wouldn't be getting that most difficult usage.

Everyone clamors for trying to remake the Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line for this team, well that combo probably comes as close to that as you can. You could even throw Vesey out there for late games over Cuylle if you worry about him being a rookie in those tough playoff spots.
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You're arguing against yourself. This is 4th liner who's forced to play above due to roster construction. This is what the Rangers already have in Vesey - Goodrow - Pitlick line. How's Dowd a good fit unless the Rangers decide to go with two strictly defensive lines (which maybe could've been possible if the they figured out how to make both top-2 lines effective simultaneously)
 
RangerBoy said:
I love Elliotte and Marek. They are funny sometimes. Elliotte does not see the Leafs going crazy at the deadline because he doesn't feel they are good enough. Management does not think they are good enough. They discussed the Brooks tweets from yesterday about the Rangers not being a 3rd line center away from winning it all. They feel the Rangers will make a trade because they always make moves. Where have those moves gotten them? You can't keep making those moves every year. Three years in a row? Drury has traded away two first round picks for rentals.
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The Rangers never learn. They do the same things and expect a different result. If Drury thinks this team is a 3rd line Centre away from being a top Cup contender, then I don't know what to tell him; maybe he shouldn't be the GM.

Morgan Barron would look good in a NYR jersey now. You can't keep trading away picks; at some point, it catches up to you. Can't keep trading picks for rentals, especially in years where a long playoff run is unlikely.
 
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Machinehead said:
Every line Tarasenko was on was absolutely awful.

That's not necessarily his fault but some players just aren't a fit. We have the luxury of already knowing that.
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Not looking to pay over- or even market for Tarasenko. But for the likes of Jones a 3rd rounder - he could give options that Wheeler was supposed to provide. The improvement in Panarin-Trocheck due could make him a good 3rd wheel (sorry for the pun) while free up Lafreniere to join Zibanejad.
 
Boy, this last month ruined some people. Sell, don't buy. Completely unrealistic. I went over this the other day: look at what the Panthers bottom-six has done. Some guys are sitting on 0 goals or 1. Are they not a legit contender? This group has already been to an ECF. They deserve ONE LAST RUN. Riding into the playoffs with Brodzinski as 3C because some of you want to hoard picks that have a 10-20% chance of hitting but then will be crying saying they can't develop anybody is pretty ironic and pretty frieken hilarious. Listen, I agree, no rentals, but for a solid piece beyond this season, it should absolutely be on the table.
 
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haohmaru said:
They haven't played all that well but their puck luck has been absurdly bad.

It seems as if every mistake immediately bites them in the ass. Nobody plays mistake free hockey.
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Puck luck normally implies on offense. From defensive perspective Shesterkin's play surely hasn't been anywhere near acceptable.
 
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