Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[mrmovies779]

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

The Rangers.I'm not giving that much up for Bilbo Baggins and Tank

 

[DialUp]

This core doesn't need to win this year. After 2 years of "having to have it now," it should be clear that this core isn't a deadline addition away from winning it all. Especially now with Chytil out for the year.

Even if you aren't gonna do a full tear down, they need to punt on this season. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, all the vets we need (Trouba is not one of them) will all be back next year.

Agreed on most here, but the last line. We don't need any of those guys.

@Machinehead is right on holding off until seeing where we are at in a month. They have not been competitive in a game against a playoff team since they beat Tampa on Dec 30th. That is 6 straight games against good teams that they looked overmatched. Rangers are trending in the absolute wrong direction for a buyers deadline. If things somehow turn around, then I understand not selling. However! If someone is looking to take on ANY of our big contracts, we have to take it. Our top cost players would do better being the 4th or 5th option on a good/great team.

"Things can change!" OK, I will believe it if it happens, but we know what we got and the history of 5v5 play, and as others said, this "core" isn't a trade away from being a contender. We are a replacement core away from contention. If the Rangers win a round it will be an upset. Upsets happen every year, so cool. Look at Florida. But Florida has a good team with good players! Need to not lose sight of that.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The deadline isn't until March 8th. We also have to consider where we are at that point.

I know they're "realistically going for it," but trading draft capital to rent Tarasenko for seven awful games hurts in retrospect.

Do we really wanna do that again if we kinda know that's what's gonna happen? If we continue this slide until the deadline, are we still realistically going for it?

I've waffled back and forth on this but, I think we do have to buy this season. Who knows how many more great seasons we are getting out of #10 and #20, both are going to be 33 next season and I know it's not a guarantee but they are going to be on the downswing sooner or later, Trocheck is 30, Zibanejad is 30 and already isn't that good. My thinking is this is the last shot for this group of players. Then if we get knocked out early, with some of these contracts becoming a little less restrictive the Rangers can do a little of a retool. See what Panarin is thinking.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

Take out Tarasenko and our 1st and this is something I do. Stop trading premium prospects and picks for rentals. The Rangers get at least 3 seasons of team control of Pinto. He's the 3rd line center off the bat with the potential to usurp Zibanejad very, very soon. The Rangers need to have a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" mentality with Chytil.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

The Rangers.I'm not giving that much up for Bilbo Baggins and Tank

Same. I want Tarasenko and Pinto/Greig, but that's way too much of a haul to give up. And Ottawa needs to take Goodrow's contract.

I'd look more for a package like Goodrow, Berard, Jones, and a 2nd. Willing to consider throwing in Miller if Ottawa throws in Chychrun and drops the ask for a pick.

 

[Ruggs225]

I've waffled back and forth on this but, I think we do have to buy this season. Who knows how many more great seasons we are getting out of #10 and #20, both are going to be 33 next season and I know it's not a guarantee but they are going to be on the downswing sooner or later, Trocheck is 30, Zibanejad is 30 and already isn't that good. My thinking is this is the last shot for this group of players. Then if we get knocked out early, with some of these contracts becoming a little less restrictive the Rangers can do a little of a retool. See what Panarin is thinking.

Also there really is no super team in the east. It really is wide open

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

@Machinehead and others have really nailed it.

What they do at the deadline should really be decided by what they do between now and March 8th.

If they continue to flounder, they shouldn't be adding anything. If hockey trades are made there with vision beyond this year thats fine, but theres no need for short fixes.

If they get their shit together and actually look good? Sure, swing away (within reason.)

I don't think that aging players are a reason to go for it. If said aging players aren't good enough over the next 15 games or so to really inspire confidence that this group can do anything, then there is no reason to add and the FO needs to start removing those players from the roster this summer.

 

[mrmovies779]

Same. I want Tarasenko and Pinto/Greig, but that's way too much of a haul to give up. And Ottawa needs to take Goodrow's contract.

I'd look more for a package like Goodrow, Berard, Jones, and a 2nd. Willing to consider throwing in Miller if Ottawa throws in Chychrun and drops the ask for a pick.

I would hate to give up Berard until we see what we have in him.I know you have to give to get,but I hate trading youth when we truthfully need more of it in the pipeline and on the teamN.Pinto just doesn't do enough for me as a potential long term piece

 

[Hire Sather]

@Machinehead and others have really nailed it.

What they do at the deadline should really be decided by what they do between now and March 8th.

If they continue to flounder, they shouldn't be adding anything. If hockey trades are made there with vision beyond this year thats fine, but theres no need for short fixes.

If they get their shit together and actually look good? Sure, swing away (within reason.)

I don't think that aging players are a reason to go for it. If said aging players aren't good enough over the next 15 games or so to really inspire confidence that this group can do anything, then there is no reason to add and the FO needs to start removing those players from the roster this summer.

I just think if they are in it they will always go for it. I don't agree with it but just remember the year they traded for Staal. That team stunk

 

[I Eat Crow]

@Machinehead and others have really nailed it.

What they do at the deadline should really be decided by what they do between now and March 8th.

If they continue to flounder, they shouldn't be adding anything. If hockey trades are made there with vision beyond this year thats fine, but theres no need for short fixes.

If they get their shit together and actually look good? Sure, swing away (within reason.)

I don't think that aging players are a reason to go for it. If said aging players aren't good enough over the next 15 games or so to really inspire confidence that this group can do anything, then there is no reason to add and the FO needs to start removing those players from the roster this summer.

To further this, only mid and late round picks and fringe prospects should be available to provide depth should they buy.

I'm not giving up a 1st or 2nd rounder or a blue chip prospect for a rental or a player with less than 2 years of team control. No Monahan. No Dowd (UFA next year). Shore up the bottom six which hasn't scores a goal since the Obama administration. Drury has to play money puck and acquire depth. Johnny Brodzinski shouldn't have to play a single playoff game.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

I would hate to give up Berard until we see what we have in him.I know you have to give to get,but I hate trading youth when we truthfully need more of it in the pipeline and on the teamN.Pinto just doesn't do enough for me as a potential long t

Valid, but you'd give up Othmann instead?

Berard is likely to be a Hagelin type, Othmann could be more. Hence why I'd rather give up Berard than Othmann.

And I prefer Greig to Pinto, but Pinto's stock is a little low right now so he might be a good compromise to fix the bottom 6 vs. Greig (if Ottawa insists on hanging onto Greig).

IMO This trade would address our three biggest holes

 

[mrmovies779]

Valid, but you'd give up Othmann instead?

Berard is likely to be a Hagelin type, Othmann could be more. Hence why I'd rather give up Berard than Othmann.

And I prefer Greig to Pinto, but Pinto's stock is a little low right now so he might be a good compromise to fix the bottom 6 vs. Greig (if Ottawa insists on hanging onto Greig).

IMO This trade would address our three biggest holes

Truthfully I wouldn't give up neither unless its an offer you absolutely cannot pass up.Pinto isn't that piece for me

 

[mas0764]

I just think if they are in it they will always go for it. I don't agree with it but just remember the year they traded for Staal. That team stunk

They'll learn nothing, you can bet on it.

 

[JimmyG89]

Nick Dowd is 2012-2016 Brian Boyle. Whether anyone likes it or not, he's a 3C. In every sense he is someone that can produce given a more offensive role.

He currently is on a line that has the most difficult assignment in the league. This is not hyperbole. Nick Dowd gets 1 offensive zone faceoff per game (41 total). On top of that, he gets ~8 defensive zone faceoffs per game (299 total).

He's asked to get the puck from his end to the other team's end of the ice and he does it at a clip where the 41% of the expected goals are for the Caps. Anyone with similar usage (that aren't his linemates) are worse statistically. That is what Moore-Boyle-Carcillo/Dorsett was in 13-14. The biggest difference between those teams is the top end is much better you can go with this as a 3rd line type build.

His stats were even better last season in basically the same role, the difference is that his line was broken up. Hathaway was his main running mate. Can Jimmy Vesey be his new Hathaway? Will Cuylle could be that guy too. It's not out of the realm. Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko as your 3rd line. That is a rough and tumble line that will grind you down and get you out of your zone AND they'd chip in offensively because they wouldn't be getting that most difficult usage.

Everyone clamors for trying to remake the Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line for this team, well that combo probably comes as close to that as you can. You could even throw Vesey out there for late games over Cuylle if you worry about him being a rookie in those tough playoff spots.

 

[AirGut]

I know most dislike Senko here but I'd still take the guy on the cheap. I still think he wants to be a Ranger. Tarasenko at $2-3M is still a bargain in my eyes. When he played with us he was one of the only guys with a shoot first mentality and for that alone he's worth it.

I'd say just wait till July to bring him back though.

 

[bernmeister]

Imagine thinking coaching is why they turned it around and not a combo of Skinner playing well and McDavid being McDavid again.

those were def factors, but chicken v egg
did that get the rest of the team playing well?
Or did rest of the team responding to Knob make them more comfortable getting them going?

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

Rs

 

[bernmeister]

pinto was a 2nd rounder, Grieg a 1st

They need depth
Wheeler makes it easier to keep or move Tara

2nd + Vesey + Wheeler + cap dump Leshitshow
for
Pinto

Lindgren + Jones for Rasmussen + DET 2nd

promote Edstrom

Kreid - Ed - Zib
bread - tro - LaF
Cuylle - Pin - KK
Pitlick - Ras - Rempe

something like dat

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

those were def factors, but chicken v egg
did that get the rest of the team playing well?
Or did rest of the team responding to Knob make them more comfortable getting them going?



Rs

It's not uncommon for teams to have a bit of a bump after a mid season change.

I think its a combo of a bump+things just falling into place for them after a bad start despite not playing that bad.

I'd give more credit to the Jovo Jinx after he dug their grave a month in than i would the coaching change. Theres a track record there.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

How do we feel about Danault to replace Chytil of LA decides to sell?

 

[bernmeister]

It's not uncommon for teams to have a bit of a bump after a mid season change.

I think its a combo of a bump+things just falling into place for them after a bad start despite not playing that bad.

I'd give more credit to the Jovo Jinx after he dug their grave a month in than i would the coaching change. Theres a track record there.

fair enuf

 

[DanielBrassard]

I know most dislike Senko here but I'd still take the guy on the cheap. I still think he wants to be a Ranger. Tarasenko at $2-3M is still a bargain in my eyes. When he played with us he was one of the only guys with a shoot first mentality and for that alone he's worth it.

I'd say just wait till July to bring him back though.

We already tried Tarasenko and it didn't go that well, look elsewhere.

 

[bernmeister]

How do we feel about Danault to replace Chytil of LA decides to sell?

no
cost

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Agreed on most here, but the last line. We don't need any of those guys.

@Machinehead is right on holding off until seeing where we are at in a month. They have not been competitive in a game against a playoff team since they beat Tampa on Dec 30th. That is 6 straight games against good teams that they looked overmatched. Rangers are trending in the absolute wrong direction for a buyers deadline. If things somehow turn around, then I understand not selling. However! If someone is looking to take on ANY of our big contracts, we have to take it. Our top cost players would do better being the 4th or 5th option on a good/great team.

"Things can change!" OK, I will believe it if it happens, but we know what we got and the history of 5v5 play, and as others said, this "core" isn't a trade away from being a contender. We are a replacement core away from contention. If the Rangers win a round it will be an upset. Upsets happen every year, so cool. Look at Florida. But Florida has a good team with good players! Need to not lose sight of that.

Agree fully. In fact, I'd say they haven't exactly looked like world beater against a lot of the bubble, non playoff teams either.

 

[Machinehead]

Every line Tarasenko was on was absolutely awful.

That's not necessarily his fault but some players just aren't a fit. We have the luxury of already knowing that.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Valid, but you'd give up Othmann instead?

Berard is likely to be a Hagelin type, Othmann could be more. Hence why I'd rather give up Berard than Othmann.

And I prefer Greig to Pinto, but Pinto's stock is a little low right now so he might be a good compromise to fix the bottom 6 vs. Greig (if Ottawa insists on hanging onto Greig).

IMO This trade would address our three biggest holes

Berard is one of like 3 players in our entire system who can skate, hope they don’t move him