Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Profet]

I’ll continue to bang the drum for Bjugstad. Size, grit, scoring, takes draws, and he’s signed for $2M next year. Arizona is not making the playoffs. Would Armstrong be willing to add assets for him? Kill two birds with one stone and add Zucker too. NYR probably check in with about $4.5-5.3M in cap space depending on send downs on off days and paper transactions leading up until the deadline. Bjugstad is perfect for the Cuylle and Kakko line. They play in straight lines and are physical. Zucker is that pit bull player in the mold of Vatrano. He's a rental so say Arizona eats half, I'd absolutely be okay sending my 1st and a player like Robertson there.

Trading a first for 2 soon to be UFA's on the wrong side of 30...


Sigh...

This core is a pig... let's stop trying to put lipstick on it.

 

[Anthony5967]

Trading a first for 2 soon to be UFA's on the wrong side of 30...


Sigh...

This core is a pig... let's stop trying to put lipstick on it.

So do nothing? They invested in this core. Gorton, Clark, Bobrov, they all put this group together whether it be signings or deals. Davidson helped lure Panarin here. Drury isn't here to mess around. He wants to win.

 

[NYR Viper]

So do nothing? They invested in this core. Gorton, Clark, Bobrov, they all put this group together whether it be signings or deals. Davidson helped lure Panarin here. Drury isn't here to mess around. He wants to win.

There is a WIDE gap between doing nothing and trading high end pieces for rentals.

Again, if we go back and look at the past 2 deadlines, one of the better moves in general was Vatrano. He wasn't considered a high end piece but he fit in and cost minimal assets. I'd argue that Mikkola was the same type of addition.

At some point, if the team you have built to start the season isn't enough to win then adding at the deadline isn't right. If you need a rental like Hanifan or someone like that then the team isn't well built to begin with. Go find a couple of depth pieces who fit the need and go for it.

 

[Profet]

So do nothing? They invested in this core. Gorton, Clark, Bobrov, they all put this group together whether it be signings or deals. Davidson helped lure Panarin here. Drury isn't here to mess around. He wants to win.

Exactly... Drury can still blame the majority of this mess on his predecessors. Something he wont have the luxury to do much longer.

Of course Drury wants to win. Every GM wants to win.

The question is, can you win with this core? My opinion is a firm "no."

If you can't win with this core, then you are simply treading waters in mediocrity... something that this organization loves to do.

So then to your question; I don't think they should do nothing, I think they should be sellers.

The rebuild failed. There is almost zero talent that came out of it. I blame Gorton and his staff for that. No deadline pieces will ever put this core over the tipping point to make them winners.

 

[bhamill]

Need to get him, he’s on the outs in Anaheim and they’re loaded with elite c and D prospects. Send the Perreault or Othmann I feel they need wingers

One dimensional guy who is out another 3-5 weeks with a broken ankle and who hasn’t been good at his one dimension this year.
I KNOW he’s flashy, and this board loves flashy over effective sometimes, but without all the PP1 time (17 PPP each of the last two seasons) and TOI ( 18-19 mins he last two seasons) here that he got in Anaheim he’s scoring less than Chytil had been and not much more than Kakko… and as of now, he brings nothing else. Defensive black hole, mostly perimeter player, no physicality. And his broken ankle may rob him of a step. I actually LIKE him but this is just the reality of it.
Long story short I’d be against sending Othmann for him, never mind GP. Is he a guy who COULD turn it around? Sure. Could he learn defense? Sure, but hasn’t shown the inclination. He wouldn’t be a savior THIS year and probably is never more than a 2C. He’s worth taking a shot, like I said, I like the player and he seems a good kid, but not at the price of either of those two IMO. Stat wise yeah, Othmann for him might seem like a good trade but Othmann brings much more of what this team needs going forward for the next 10 years. Perrault at this point is looking almost elite, and I’m getting the feeling hes just getting started... once this kid fills in… I’m not trading him for anything but an obvious overpay.

 

[bernmeister]

i honestly don't believe any new additions matter with the current coaching staff and their lack of holding players accountable.

I don't know if Drury gets a shot with another coach, but Peter is not the coach that this team needed.

I wanted Knob and betw latest here and EDM turnaround, I wuz right

 

[McRanger92]

So do nothing? They invested in this core. Gorton, Clark, Bobrov, they all put this group together whether it be signings or deals. Davidson helped lure Panarin here. Drury isn't here to mess around. He wants to win.

Adversity will be good for this team as long as they stick with Quick and let Igor get his shit together as a backup. Cup teams go into the playoffs with unsettled goalie situations all the time. Play who is making the saves. Igor has given up so many softies this year and just not battled enough. Vally has called it out not so subtly. The Rangers need to learn to become a team that can win without relying on the goalie. Quick is a leader as others have said. He is out to prove something this year. Kings left him for dead and hes motivated to win. He actually takes being a Ranger seriously, unike some on the team imo. Play the guy.

Im happy to see the Nic Dowd suggestion catching on. The fit is perfect. 2 years left at a number we wouldnt have to retain any salary. Familiar with Laviolette from Washington. Copy what TB did with the Goodrow/Coleman trades which were genius at the time. We've watched a lot of games against the caps and this guy always kills us. Hits fights forechecks. I think if you put him between Cuylle and Kakko who have size and can hold the puck that could be a difference maker in the playoffs. Bjugstad is a decent option too but everyone will want him and I see him going back to EDM. I prefer that Dowd plays with more of an edge. We need it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wanted Knob and betw latest here and EDM turnaround, I wuz right

Imagine thinking coaching is why they turned it around and not a combo of Skinner playing well and McDavid being McDavid again.

 

[NYR Viper]

I mean, Dowd absolutely makes this team better if they can get him.

But yeah Dowd and a guy like Henrique (who I still don’t love) is probably the path that they need to take.

They need two. They need to say “this is the guy we are offering our FRP for” and rank those how they want them (not what I would do but what they are going to do) get their first choice / or best choice in for that and then figure out what assets they have left

If they can get Dowd, who makes peanuts, they have the cap space to add someone who is overpaid and on the final year of their deal to help facilitate cap space for another contender or team.

Ballpark numbers:
Chytil makes $4.43m
Dowd makes $1.3m
Drury would have another $3.1m to spend.

If we look around at teams looking to compete and find a player making, ~$4m as we would be removing someone else from the roster to allow this new player to play we can see that there are players available. For example:

Kevin Labanc makes $4.725m
Tyler Johnson makes $5m
Anthony Beauvillier makes $4.15m
Roslovic makes $4m

Thinking outside the box:
Vancouver had been trying to trade Garland for a while. The Rangers could take on that contract @ ~$4m which would allow Vancouver space to improve other areas and relieve them of that deal. Garland would actually be a good fit for what the team needs, aside from a center.

Boston will be needing cap space at the deadline if they want to improve. What would they give Drury for taking Forbort who could be a nice depth d-man in the last year of his deal @$3m.

 

[Rongomania]

Cap is going up soon. We can swing a trade for a good & young center and be able to fit Chytil if he can come back someday. Let's eye august and keep it at that, his post claimed he wants to play hockey again.

Jones + 1st.

Uggghhh or

Otter / Gabe + 1st.

What do these packages net us?

I absolutely hate the idea of trading Key. However, if there is that C on the table and he's the ask, f*ck man, I think about it for sure given the C vs. D now & future depth.

 

[McRanger92]

If they can get Dowd, who makes peanuts, they have the cap space to add someone who is overpaid and on the final year of their deal to help facilitate cap space for another contender or team.

Ballpark numbers:
Chytil makes $4.43m
Dowd makes $1.3m
Drury would have another $3.1m to spend.

If we look around at teams looking to compete and find a player making, ~$4m as we would be removing someone else from the roster to allow this new player to play we can see that there are players available. For example:

Kevin Labanc makes $4.725m
Tyler Johnson makes $5m
Anthony Beauvillier makes $4.15m
Roslovic makes $4m

Thinking outside the box:
Vancouver had been trying to trade Garland for a while. The Rangers could take on that contract @ ~$4m which would allow Vancouver space to improve other areas and relieve them of that deal. Garland would actually be a good fit for what the team needs, aside from a center.

Boston will be needing cap space at the deadline if they want to improve. What would they give Drury for taking Forbort who could be a nice depth d-man in the last year of his deal @$3m.

I like the way you think. Drury did this before with the Vatrano trade.

 

[Machinehead]

Nic Dowd is who we’re talking about?

He’s a a 4th line center at best. That’s not moving the needle for us. Brodzinki can give us those numbers. Plays a tougher game would be a nice 4C upgrade but certainly not a 3C option.

Henrique is a guy that will make some plays in the playoffs, elevates his game. Excellent in the faceoff circle. That’s the guy

Dowd is literally not a 4th liner. He hasn't played less than 13 minutes per game since 2019-20.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Exactly... Drury can still blame the majority of this mess on his predecessors. Something he wont have the luxury to do much longer.

Of course Drury wants to win. Every GM wants to win.

The question is, can you win with this core? My opinion is a firm "no."

If you can't win with this core, then you are simply treading waters in mediocrity... something that this organization loves to do.

So then to your question; I don't think they should do nothing, I think they should be sellers.

The rebuild failed. There is almost zero talent that came out of it. I blame Gorton and his staff for that. No deadline pieces will ever put this core over the tipping point to make them winners.

I dont think this team has it in them to go all the way either, but no team sitting where they are in the standings are going to be Sellers... at least be a little realistic. No GM in the league would be a seller

 

[McRanger92]

Cap is going up soon. We can swing a trade for a good & young center and be able to fit Chytil if he can come back someday. Let's eye august and keep it at that, his post claimed he wants to play hockey again.

Jones + 1st.

Uggghhh or

Otter / Gabe + 1st.

I absolutely hate the idea of trading Key. However, if there is that C on the table and he's the ask, f*ck man, I think about it for sure given the C vs. D now & future depth.

What do these packages net us?

I think Pinto will be a target in the summer. Hes stuck behind Stutzle and Norris who Ottawa has already paid. I bet he would not mind coming back to NY. Big young center who can score. If Chytil ever comes by you shift him to wing.

 

[Machinehead]

Right now, Zegras is just Zibanejad with a worse shot.

He's young and maybe it's a move that makes the team better down the line. You kick the tires on that in the summer and go based on what the price is.

Right now, at the deadline, he doesn't improve this team.

 

[Machinehead]

Cap is going up soon. We can swing a trade for a good & young center and be able to fit Chytil if he can come back someday. Let's eye august and keep it at that, his post claimed he wants to play hockey again.

Jones + 1st.

Uggghhh or

Otter / Gabe + 1st.

What do these packages net us?

I absolutely hate the idea of trading Key. However, if there is that C on the table and he's the ask, f*ck man, I think about it for sure given the C vs. D now & future depth.

There's nothing realistically available that I'm moving Perreault for.

 

[Anthony5967]

If they can get Dowd, who makes peanuts, they have the cap space to add someone who is overpaid and on the final year of their deal to help facilitate cap space for another contender or team.

Ballpark numbers:
Chytil makes $4.43m
Dowd makes $1.3m
Drury would have another $3.1m to spend.

If we look around at teams looking to compete and find a player making, ~$4m as we would be removing someone else from the roster to allow this new player to play we can see that there are players available. For example:

Kevin Labanc makes $4.725m
Tyler Johnson makes $5m
Anthony Beauvillier makes $4.15m
Roslovic makes $4m

Thinking outside the box:
Vancouver had been trying to trade Garland for a while. The Rangers could take on that contract @ ~$4m which would allow Vancouver space to improve other areas and relieve them of that deal. Garland would actually be a good fit for what the team needs, aside from a center.

Boston will be needing cap space at the deadline if they want to improve. What would they give Drury for taking Forbort who could be a nice depth d-man in the last year of his deal @$3m.

So no on Bjugstad because you want to wait four years for the 1st round pick with like a 20% chance of hitting (probably 10% knowing this team) but you throw out Tyler Johnson? Beauvillier? Aight.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’ll continue to bang the drum for Bjugstad. Size, grit, scoring, takes draws, and he’s signed for $2M next year. Arizona is not making the playoffs. Would Armstrong be willing to add assets for him? Kill two birds with one stone and add Zucker too. NYR probably check in with about $4.5-5.3M in cap space depending on send downs on off days and paper transactions leading up until the deadline. Bjugstad is perfect for the Cuylle and Kakko line. They play in straight lines and are physical. Zucker is that pit bull player in the mold of Vatrano. He's a rental so say Arizona eats half, I'd absolutely be okay sending my 1st and a player like Robertson there.

Bjugstad isn't worth a first even with salary retained.

 

[Machinehead]

So no on Bjugstad because you want to wait four years for the 1st round pick with like a 20% chance of hitting (probably 10% knowing this team) but you throw out Tyler Johnson? Beauvillier? Aight.

Also because Dowd is better and Bjugstad is worth nowhere near a 1st. That's another way of looking at it.

If we're going to trade with Arizona, I'm more intrigued by the other guy you mentioned. Zucker has always been a guy capable of doing damage at even strength, provided we can make it work in terms of positioning (Zucker is a LW). Bjugstad does nothing for me. He's just tall.

 

[Rongomania]

There's nothing realistically available that I'm moving Perreault for.

I'm thinking in more of the 'blockbuster realm' for him; the out of nowhere hopeful banger of a trade if you will.. I should've listed him separately, entirely. He's obvi mine and everyone else's darling amazing prospect.

 

[Anthony5967]

I am fine on Dowd, but what makes you think Washington would help the Rangers out? Yes, he's a hell of a player analytically and on ice. So what are you trading for him?

 

[Profet]

I dont think this team has it in them to go all the way either, but no team sitting where they are in the standings are going to be Sellers... at least be a little realistic. No GM in the league would be a seller

Agree.. this team is basically contractually obligated to not be sellers.

That said, they can make small moves that eye the next 3-5 years rather than trying to make a futile move to try and win this year that destroys any hope of acquiring talent from the draft.

 

[NYR Viper]

So no on Bjugstad because you want to wait four years for the 1st round pick with like a 20% chance of hitting (probably 10% knowing this team) but you throw out Tyler Johnson? Beauvillier? Aight.

Did you read my post about taking on a player who may be more of a cap dump but could improve the team because the cost will be minimal?

And yes, I'll hang on to that 1st rounder because 2 years from now, you, and others, will be complaining about the lack of depth in the prospect pool and how the team can't develop any high end forwards internally...

 

[Machinehead]

I'm thinking in more of the 'blockbuster realm' for him; the out of nowhere hopeful banger of a trade if you will.. I should've listed him separately, entirely. He's obvi mine and everyone else's darling amazing prospect.

It would have to be a legit star coming to the end of a contract. Pettersson is the only one that comes to mind.

Perreault is a non-starter for Zegras. Zegras isn't that good.

 

[Anthony5967]

Did you read my post about taking on a player who may be more of a cap dump but could improve the team because the cost will be minimal?

And yes, I'll hang on to that 1st rounder because 2 years from now, you, and others, will be complaining about the lack of depth in the prospect pool and how the team can't develop any high end forwards internally...

This organization is too deep to claim they aren't good enough despite what some may think. They are going for it. Difference is during 2015 years, they had no picks and no prospects. Drury has done a good job trying to build around the core and add pieces. Hasn't worked yet, but they have Edstrom, Othmann, Sykora, Berard and Perreault knocking. They have depth in system in terms of young, hungry players. So, I disagree.