Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Better chance JoVo steps foot at center ice to the little pre-faceoff jingle MSG does than the New York Rangers ever acquiring Sidney Crosby. That's the NHL 24 stuff we need to eliminate.
I mean from just a couple days ago;


Of course thats Canadian media simply speculating, but to say talk of Crosby is “NHL 24 stuff” is exaggerating when the media is starting to fan the flames.
 
Kreider has been my favorite player since he broke in. But you have to be realistic here. Put the goals aside, his play has been shit. All over the ice. His effort has been shit all over the ice. He is the veteran leader. He has not been leading by example in the ways this team needs, not just in this current horrid slump the team is going through, but even during the playoffs. He looks like he is floating around out there. No jump in his game. His feet dont move in his own end. He just puck watches. You are letting the bursts of speed here and there with the redirection goals fool you. He is not nearly engaged enough. He needs to get angry. Play with a little more force.

Drury got so much criticism for the ‘I’m not going to let it ruin my weekend’ comment many moons ago, but Kreider literally plays that way every night it feels like. Like go out there and start throwing the body. Crashing the net. Shoving guys after whistles.
I don’t necessarily agree that Kreider is lazy, per se. But I do think he 100% personifies the Rangers organization in that he is completely risk-averse.
 
Kreider has been my favorite player since he broke in. But you have to be realistic here. Put the goals aside, his play has been shit. All over the ice. His effort has been shit all over the ice. He is the veteran leader. He has not been leading by example in the ways this team needs, not just in this current horrid slump the team is going through, but even during the playoffs. He looks like he is floating around out there. No jump in his game. His feet dont move in his own end. He just puck watches. You are letting the bursts of speed here and there with the redirection goals fool you. He is not nearly engaged enough. He needs to get angry. Play with a little more force.

Drury got so much criticism for the ‘I’m not going to let it ruin my weekend’ comment many moons ago, but Kreider literally plays that way every night it feels like. Like go out there and start throwing the body. Crashing the net. Shoving guys after whistles.
Kreider has been around long enough to know how inconsequential the regular season can be as long as you don’t f*** up too bad.
 
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Just curious since I’ve been one of the biggest Zibanejad critics here. Are secondary assists per 60 actually more variable than primary assists (5v5 of course). Both seem highly variable to me. How do you explain his 0.5 goals per 60, which is far below his career average?
I’d bet Kreider has gobbled up some of those this season. Must be a function of Laviolette’s system.
 
It would take me a month to elaborate on all that is wrong with those trades and they will never happen. Also Zegras is overrated, soft, and way too expensive. They will have better options for a 3c assuming Chytil doesn't come back.
cop out cause you got nada

Alright Bern, you’ve clearly thrown the gauntlet - put your big boy pants on for this.

1. Schneider / Berard / 2 for Roslovic 50%, Kuraly 50%, Gudbranson @ 2.75

2. Off season - Trouba for picks/prospects, Lindgren/Goodrow for Chairot

3. sign Hanifin, Quick, either Blueger or Stephenson

Panarin Trocheck Laf
Othmann Mika Kakko
Krieder Blueger Cuylle
Vesey Kuraly Edstrom

Key Fox
Hanifin Gudbranson
Jones Chiarot
sorry this is doa
Schneider is a keeper, we need him anyway and especially b'c we are likely sending Trouba to DET for picks and cap recovery
shortage of young RD

Chiariot is big cap hit in decline. PASS
best return on Lindgren is to DET now now NOW w/Jones for a 2nd + Rasmussen
best move on Good is retain down to 2.0, bundle w/Othmann + for Zegras +

Hanifin is gonna be around 7 and in later 20s will want a longer deal. PASS

The Ducks have a ton of forward prospects and traded away a good D prospect in Drysdale. They will need defensemen to go with their forwards.
NO, they still have surplus of D and are ok on C, tho a BMB/Sykora type to compete for Strome's position in 1-2 yrs is useful. But what they really need/want are quality Ws

Sorry -- I'm not giving up Othmann for Zegras.
Agree to disagree

Its been ONE game for Jones and Mackey.

Miller has been disappointing, but he is 1000x more proven and established than those 2.
would not say disappointing as much as inconsistent
Could be wrong but think as the team improves, he will advance to best form

Get Monahan here ASAP!! Pay the premium to get him here after ASG Drury. Team is getting tough to watch (besides the 2nd period last game) at least give us a new toy
NO NO NO
stop w/failed win now bs esp more rentals
pls recognize mo of the same = mo of the same

Drury needs to show he’s ruthless now. Davidson and Gorton failed. Don’t be afraid to make aggressive decisions with the roster and on the trade market because the season is absolutely salvageable.
Seize opportunity whenever it knocks? Yes
but the abpve is not that, but desperation which 99% of the time = epic fail
 
Kreider has been around long enough to know how inconsequential the regular season can be as long as you don’t f*** up too bad.
That wasn’t the point. Well aware that many experienced players manage their workload & efforts throughout a season. But under the circumstances the team has been under in their recent horrid slump, it would be refreshing for Kreider to go out there and flip the ON switch to pull the group out of it with some serious engagement on the ice, especially given his raw physical tools. Instead he just looks like another passenger along for the ride in torrential downpour.
 
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The NYR were going to have to address the severe LACK of centers in the system at some point.

Now that Chyts is all but calling it a career it's time to bite the bullet. They're going to have to ID someone who can be attained.

Someone who can be part of the core.

Someone special.

They're going to have to pay a ridic price.

But they're going to have to do it.

Otherwise, they may as well start thinking rebuild again.
Kandre and kakko for matty beniers
 
Rangers Panthers trade proposal

Rangers get Anton Lundell
Panthers get 1st round pick


Get a 3rd liner that can be here for a while. What if Chytil is not ready next season? Might as well get depth now than get some vet who is an ufa. I feel Lundell has 60-70 point potential still
 
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Rangers Panthers trade proposal

Rangers get Anton Lundell
Panthers get 1st round pick


Get a 3rd liner that can be here for a while. What if Chytil is not ready next season? Might as well get depth now than get some vet who is an ufa. I feel Lundell has 60-70 point potential still
Why would Florida trade a good young player for a draft pick when they’re a contender who went to the cup final last year?
 
Rangers Panthers trade proposal

Rangers get Anton Lundell
Panthers get 1st round pick


Get a 3rd liner that can be here for a while. What if Chytil is not ready next season? Might as well get depth now than get some vet who is an ufa. I feel Lundell has 60-70 point potential still
id do it easily, which is exactly why florida wont, and it won't happen
 
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Among the 207 C's who've played at least 200mins at 5v5 this season, Zibanejad is
97th in 5v5 P/60
134th in 5v5 G/60

The only C's getting paid more and producing at a lower rate league-wide than Zibanejad are Tavares, Laine (injured) and Backstrom (injured).

but yes, tell us more about how great Zibanejad is playing.
I counted 19 players listed ahead of him with those p/60 parameters who don’t actually play center, for what it’s worth.
 
Rangers Panthers trade proposal

Rangers get Anton Lundell
Panthers get 1st round pick


Get a 3rd liner that can be here for a while. What if Chytil is not ready next season? Might as well get depth now than get some vet who is an ufa. I feel Lundell has 60-70 point potential still

Why is Florida trading Lundell? Does he stink now? Another young center I’d move Miller for
 
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The Chytil money is an opportunity to Drury to add a couple of good players or one good player. No rentals. Maybe a very cheap rental to fill a hole. Try to add players who will be here beyond late April. The salary cap is going up to $87.675M this summer. $92M in 25-26. The Rangers will have some cap flexibility. Chytil may never play again. Drury can move players this summer. Goodrow could finally be bought out. Free up nearly $3.9M for next season. The $3.5M cap hit will hurt in 26-27 but the cap could be over $95M then. New CBA. Maybe a team trades for him. Kreider and Trouba will no longer have full no movement clauses. Lindgren and Kakko will be group II free agents. I am not trading them for a bag of pucks but there is flexibility there. Other teams add players and figure it out later. Igor is entering the last season of his contract. Panarin will have two seasons remaining on his deal. Drury has the opportunity to reset the team. Even Trocheck has a full NMC expiring after next season. His trade protection is very favorable to the Rangers.

The team is broken but Drury has the opportunity to fix that. The Rangers keep firing the coach. However, the coach never changes anything. Kreider plays with Zibanejad. The power play has been the same setup since Quinn was the coach. Fox replaced Tony and Trocheck replaced Strome. No opportunity for Lafreniere or even Kakko. That's infuriating. The same issues remain with the cap. The team is top heavy. No cap flexibility. Management handed out contracts in 2019 and 2020 but Covid happened and the cap stagnated. I sound like a broken record but this situation needs to change. They try to change the way the team plays but they don't have the personnel to play a big and heavy game or be hard on the puck. It's the same shit every year. These players get their money and we get the same lousy product.
 
Drury needs to show he’s ruthless now. Davidson and Gorton failed. Don’t be afraid to make aggressive decisions with the roster and on the trade market because the season is absolutely salvageable.
It absolutely is salvageable. They had a rough month, no doubt, but I am not letting a month overshadow what this team showed they were capable of when fully healthy. The major key is goaltending, though. Shesterkin needs to get it together. He's been awful.
 
Nobody cares about fancy stats Larry, those two suck together.
Wouldn't exactly call actual goals for / against (per 60) while they were on "fancy". That's uhmm arithmetics at most.
And if the Zib line sucks, where it puts Bread's with 27 / 27 while on, all negative +/-, with Laf on a whopping -10?
That's why I put much hope in Chyt returning to provide cover for them, while Tro would have been ideal on an identity line with Cyulle
 
Rangers Panthers trade proposal

Rangers get Anton Lundell
Panthers get 1st round pick


Get a 3rd liner that can be here for a while. What if Chytil is not ready next season? Might as well get depth now than get some vet who is an ufa. I feel Lundell has 60-70 point potential still

Panthers are gonna want a win-now piece.

Trouba for Lundell.

I know, I know, cap doesn't work.
 
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