Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[McRanger92]

I am fine on Dowd, but what makes you think Washington would help the Rangers out? Yes, he's a hell of a player analytically and on ice. So what are you trading for him?

Hes worth a first with the second year. Maybe Caps throw in NAB or Edmundson. We also need a defenseman

It would have to be a legit star coming to the end of a contract. Pettersson is the only one that comes to mind.

Perreault is a non-starter for Zegras. Zegras isn't that good.

Would only trade Perrault for Sid or Petey

 

[Machinehead]

I am fine on Dowd, but what makes you think Washington would help the Rangers out? Yes, he's a hell of a player analytically and on ice. So what are you trading for him?

We've made deadline deals with the Bruins, Hurricanes, and Devils. Teams will help out whoever gives them the best offer.

I would like to improve the bottom six with draft picks that aren't a 1st and prospects that aren't Othmann or Perreault.

That depends on the market. It changes a lot. The spring we traded Kevin Hayes, he was the only guy who got a 1st. Last spring, everyone and their hamster returned a 1st.

If the market is insane like it was last year, I'm ok with just not buying.

 

[Rongomania]

It would have to be a legit star coming to the end of a contract. Pettersson is the only one that comes to mind.

Perreault is a non-starter for Zegras. Zegras isn't that good.

Totally. I like Zegras, but 'eh' on him unless we can fleece Anaheim, which is doubtful.

I know there are mixed feelings in our room here.. but with what we've invested into this current roster, we should go for it now and bring in a good young C, a #4-#6 Dman and a rw. If it can be done, we're in the mix come spring for sure.

Again, whatever we do this TDL is going to really sting.

We've seen Drury make great and awful trades. We're really going to see what he's got now that we kind of have to hit the panic button RE: Great 3C + the other aforementioned needs he and the rest of us have identified.

 

[Hire Sather]

We've made deadline deals with the Bruins, Hurricanes, and Devils. Teams will help out whoever gives them the best offer.

I would like to improve the bottom six with draft picks that aren't a 1st and prospects that aren't Othmann or Perreault.

That depends on the market. It changes a lot. The spring we traded Kevin Hayes, he was the only guy who got a 1st. Last spring, everyone and their hamster returned a 1st.

If the market is insane like it was last year, I'm ok with just not buying.

Let's be real here, we aren't getting out of the deadline with our #1 or some trade language where we always lose the pick but never get one if we were on the other side of it

 

[Machinehead]

In the right circumstances, Dowd could be like Lehkonen was for Colorado, or Coleman was for Tampa, just pulling a whole lineup together. He's a very good role player that you can put anywhere.

 

[Machinehead]

Let's be real here, we aren't getting out of the deadline with our #1 or some trade language where we always lose the pick but never get one if we were on the other side of it

Oh, if we trade a pick for Dowd where it becomes a 1st if we reach the ECF, you can bet the house on us reaching the ECF and then losing there.

 

[Machinehead]

The deadline isn't until March 8th. We also have to consider where we are at that point.

I know they're "realistically going for it," but trading draft capital to rent Tarasenko for seven awful games hurts in retrospect.

Do we really wanna do that again if we kinda know that's what's gonna happen? If we continue this slide until the deadline, are we still realistically going for it?

 

[McRanger92]

Staple's article on the rental market was as depressing as it gets. Get a guy with multiple years of control please. No Monahan or Vanilla Henrique. I dont want that guy on the team anyway. Let that memory stay dead

The deadline isn't until March 8th. We also have to consider where we are at that point.

I know they're "realistically going for it," but trading draft capital to rent Tarasenko for seven awful games hurts in retrospect.

Do we really wanna do that again if we kinda know that's what's gonna happen? If we continue this slide until the deadline, are we still realistically going for it?

Any trade the Rangers make going forward should have an eye on next year as well.

 

[Savant]

I am fine on Dowd, but what makes you think Washington would help the Rangers out? Yes, he's a hell of a player analytically and on ice. So what are you trading for him?

They can reunite the Lindgren bros

 

[mas0764]

Exactly... Drury can still blame the majority of this mess on his predecessors. Something he wont have the luxury to do much longer.

Of course Drury wants to win. Every GM wants to win.

The question is, can you win with this core? My opinion is a firm "no."

If you can't win with this core, then you are simply treading waters in mediocrity... something that this organization loves to do.

So then to your question; I don't think they should do nothing, I think they should be sellers.

The rebuild failed. There is almost zero talent that came out of it. I blame Gorton and his staff for that. No deadline pieces will ever put this core over the tipping point to make them winners.

Drury shares blame for the rebuild failing.

But you are right. They should sell.

They just lost a vital piece for the year. Their "first line," just doesn't have the mojo this season.

All the pieces they are truly counting on are either locked up for at least another year or can be brought back.

This mandate that they have to go all-in at every deadline is just fantasy land, invented by people who have no patience and want to run up the proverbial credit card debt to satisfy the ants in their pants.

This team is proving - even moreso than the last two teams - that it just doesn't have it.

One of the reasons it doesn't have "it," is because it sold off so many assets for cheap playoff runs and now is devoid of assets it could have otherwise used for long term additions. Like, if you had the firsts (or prospects) that you spent on Copp, Kane, and Tarasenko, you could probably put together a great package for Chychrun or for a young top 6 NHL-ready center.

But nooooooooooo. The team had to buy, buy, buy, to plug the ever-springing leaks on a core that obviously was no good at 5v5 at any time the last 3 years.

Stop buying. Save and INVEST. The dividends are way more worth it if you invest in the future than if you spend on credit right now.

This core doesn't need to win this year. After 2 years of "having to have it now," it should be clear that this core isn't a deadline addition away from winning it all. Especially now with Chytil out for the year.

Even if you aren't gonna do a full tear down, they need to punt on this season. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, all the vets we need (Trouba is not one of them) will all be back next year.

 

[AirGut]

the thing about Dowd is I'm not convinced WSH would want to deal with us. I'd be looking at Yakov Trenin as a similarly priced player to add. He plays a nasty game.

Cuylle-Trenin-Kakko

 

[McRanger92]

Drury shares blame for the rebuild failing.

But you are right. They should sell.

They just lost a vital piece for the year. Their "first line," just doesn't have the mojo this season.

All the pieces they are truly counting on are either locked up for at least another year or can be brought back.

This mandate that they have to go all-in at every deadline is just fantasy land, invented by people who have no patience and want to run up the proverbial credit card debt to satisfy the ants in their pants.

This team is proving - even moreso than the last two teams - that it just doesn't have it.

One of the reasons it doesn't have "it," is because it sold off so many assets for cheap playoff runs and now is devoid of assets it could have otherwise used for long term additions. Like, if you had the firsts (or prospects) that you spent on Copp, Kane, and Tarasenko, you could probably put together a great package for Chychrun or for a young top 6 NHL-ready center.

But nooooooooooo. The team had to buy, buy, buy, to plug the ever-springing leaks on a core that obviously was no good at 5v5 at any time the last 3 years.

Stop buying. Save and INVEST. The dividends are way more worth it if you invest in the future than if you spend on credit right now.

This core doesn't need to win this year. After 2 years of "having to have it now," it should be clear that this core isn't a deadline addition away from winning it all. Especially now with Chytil out for the year.

Even if you aren't gonna do a full tear down, they need to punt on this season. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, all the vets we need (Trouba is not one of them) will all be back next year.

Sell!

the thing about Dowd is I'm not convinced WSH would want to deal with us. I'd be looking at Yakov Trenin as a similarly priced player to add. He plays a nasty game.

Cuylle-Trenin-Kakko

Is he a center?

 

[Machinehead]

Staple's article on the rental market was as depressing as it gets. Get a guy with multiple years of control please. No Monahan or Vanilla Henrique. I dont want that guy on the team anyway. Let that memory stay dead

Any trade the Rangers make going forward should have an eye on next year as well.

Yeah, this is the mentality I would approach it with. If we're going to say "well this is what we have, might as well try to win," I can get behind it, I guess. Most rebuilds fail and it's a bit of a false dichotomy. Even the Devils, who had a "successful" one on paper and certainly in terms of the analytics, can't stop giving up goals. NHL goaltending isn't that bad. Something is wrong with that team.

All that being said, rentals basically like, objectively suck. Who are the rentals that made a measurable difference in winning it all and then were gone the next year? Pretty short list. Even shorter list if you exclude those teams who didn't already win a Cup with the same core. Matter of fact, the whole list might be gone.

If you can make the team better, make the team better. That's almost always good. Just do it for longer than a few weeks.

 

[AirGut]

Sell!



Is he a center?

 

[McRanger92]

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Trenin and Dowd I like. We need some nasty players. Anecdotally the Rangers play much better when someone is willing to drop the gloves once in awhile. I though against the Canes with Aho and these 2 ass kickings by Vegas we missed opportunities to play with more of an edge.

 

[SA16]

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It's wrong. He's not a center. The NHL has a serious player classification problem. They list tons of wings as centers.

 

[TominNC]

For purposes of cap, etc. we get Fil’s full 4.4 to spend?
Also when we look at a player who annual contract is 4m for the remainder of the season are we only on the hook for the remaining million of so?

 

[NYR Viper]

It's wrong. He's not a center. The NHL has a serious player classification problem. They list tons of wings as centers.

Yeah Trenin is a winger

 

[Machinehead]

It's wrong. He's not a center. The NHL has a serious player classification problem. They list tons of wings as centers.

I seriously wonder what the criteria is for being listed as a center.

Playing center in the NHL can be reasonably excluded as a criteria.

 

[AirGut]

It's wrong. He's not a center. The NHL has a serious player classification problem. They list tons of wings as centers.

oof
would've been a big 3rd line if he was a natural center

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Go to the 22:10 mark. Johnny Lazarus and Colby Cohen discuss Filip Chytil injury and debate whether or not if the Rangers should be buyers at the TDL:

Jarmo Gotta Go | Morning Cuppa Hockey

Jonny Lazarus and Colby Cohen debate whether it's finally time for a change in Columbus, the Filip Chytil news in for the Rangers, some goal-scoring mileston...

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[haohmaru]

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

 

[Kovalev27]

Dowd is literally not a 4th liner. He hasn't played less than 13 minutes per game since 2019-20.

We’re talking the Caps Nic dowd? The guy playing 3C for a terrible team with his whole 13 pts? He’s not a 3C come on not on a good team.

We need 5 on 5 scoring this ain’t it

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

Nope

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pinto and Tarasenko for 1st, 4th, Jones & Othmann. Who says no?

Me.

Tarasenko isnt a fit here no matter how many times people want to try to make it one. I think he's a solid locker room guy who can still score a bit but the rest of his game is woefully deficient.

Pinto is pretty good but overrated as balls here.