Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day

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What is up in Florida? They have only 18 players signed. They need three forwards. Still they cut ties with Jagr. They need a left veteran D. They need Marc Staal.
 
I'm still going to come back to the free agent/contract discussion. Hey, it is summer and a long way to training camp.

The Shattenkirk situation is, in many ways, a case study.

Let's say that he had come to the Rangers and said, "I really want to play here. The best offer I have from elsewhere is 6 years at an average cap hit of 6.85. Match it and I'm yours."

As an organization, what do you do. It is long contract for a puck moving D. So you say to yourself, "OK, we'll take 3-4 good years, and just deal with what he will be like at ages 34 and 35. We know he might be down on the depth charts, slower, and a hindrance to the cap....but 3-4 good is worth 2-3 bad."

Or do you say, "he is exactly what we need, a right-side PMD, but at that length of deal, we don't match it. Let him sign elsewhere."

It's not as easy being a GM as many would assume it is. These are difficult decisions on every level imaginable.

My take: though it is easy to say that you can't sign a player based on what he has done in the past, in this day, age, sport, and marketplace, you have no choice but to sign a player based on current production, even past production. If you feel the player is worth the risk, you do it, and live with the consequences. And, if you are strong mentally, you don't beat yourself up with contracts that go bad. Being a GM is not a job for the timid. So, yes, I'm willing to sign players at age 28+ to long-term contracts. I know that it might go bad, and go bad quickly. I know that in the long term, it is certain to go bad. I also know that while the player is productive, it would be a good, empowering, and highly productive move that moves you up in the standings and wins you an extra playoff round or two.. I'm not advocating signing a raft of UFAs, as in the old pre-cap days, but a judicious use of cap space (clearing a contract like Stepans' and using the money elsewhere, for example.

But it comes back to that same question, a question w/o a scientific, analytical answer: how do you know which 28-30 year olds to sign, especially if the analytics show the player to still be productive, and which to pass on? How do you know how that player will be in 4 or 5 years? Yes, there is a comparative aging curve to study, but you just don't know, do you?
 
But it comes back to that same question, a question w/o a scientific, analytical answer: how do you know which 28-30 year olds to sign, especially if the analytics show the player to still be productive, and which to pass on? How do you know how that player will be in 4 or 5 years? Yes, there is a comparative aging curve to study, but you just don't know, do you?

I'd imagine the GM that answers this question will find himself with a job for a very long time.

In reality, the best thing you can do right now, with the limitations that we have in hockey, is to find comparable players, and see how they aged. The problem with finding comparable players, tho, is that your eye/smell test are going to tell you that your comparables are wrong.
 
What is up in Florida? They have only 18 players signed. They need three forwards. Still they cut ties with Jagr. They need a left veteran D. They need Marc Staal.

I was told they're playing the game the right way now that they got rid of the computer nerds.
 
What is up in Florida? They have only 18 players signed. They need three forwards. Still they cut ties with Jagr. They need a left veteran D. They need Marc Staal.

I think the Florida GM is saying we need Marc Staal but only if he will agree to a contract extension :)
 
If the Rangers want to acquire their top center, they may need to part with a crucial piece.

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/24/new-york-rangers-must-consider-trading-j-t-miller-center/

As it stands today, the New York Rangers’ top three centers will be some combination of Mika Zibanejad, Kevin Hayes, and J.T. Miller, Lias Andersson, or David Desharnais. That’s not good! Zibanejad and Hayes would be forced into more significant roles than they ever played in, while the third line center would be a winger moved to center, a teenager, or a fourth liner.
 
Andersson will break camp with the team. hell be the starting 3C with DD the 4C. jt miller will be an insurance policy and waiting to step in if needed along with nieves.

between andersson, DD, JTM and nieves, theres your 3 and 4C tight there.

i think AV and JG are more likely to break camp with the middle of the ice addressed in house than they are moving a piece like JTM.

the centers 1-4 dont have the cache that the top teams in the east do but its early and i think they want to see what they have in andersson.

a much improved defense and a healthy hank will go along way.

i liked oscar alot at the 4 but i dont believe the loss of stepans minutes will make that big of a difference. its something we can overcome and improve upon.

theres plenty of time.
 
This off-season has gone very quickly from:

YOU NEED TWO ELITE CENTERS TO COMPETE

to

We can probably get by with MZ > KH > LA > DD.

Oh, HF.

The reason we "had" to trade Stepan is because we can't win a Cup with him as our 1C, yet he is better than any of the other centers we have had since he joined the team in 2010.
 
This off-season has gone very quickly from:

YOU NEED TWO ELITE CENTERS TO COMPETE

to

We can probably get by with MZ > KH > LA > DD.

Oh, HF.

to acquire an impact center we will need to weaken the roster somewhere.

we lack the prospects to make a trade and moving a guy like jtm or zuc changes the team and weakens the roster we just strengthened.

holden isnt enough. he's very meh.

who are we going to get that will make us better and who do we have to offer ?

improve the middle to weaken the edge ? doesnt make sense.
 
People are making a bit too much about the center position. Once you cross the blue line if not before there is not much if any positional play. RW cross to the left side as well as behind the net. LW will end up on the right side as well as behind the net. The center could be on the right, left or behind the net.

The center position is important on defense but if you have great scoring wings on your first line you do not need a elite scorer as your first line center. It doesn't hurt to have a elite scoring center but if Patrick Kane is your RW you can live with a good not elite scoring center playing with him and still do extremely well.
 
To be honest I feel fine with giving Zibanejad the chance to replace Stepan. I think he can replace the points at least, as long as he stays healthy.

It's the 2C spot I'm more worried about.

Of course if the Rangers want a better or established 1c then yeah they'll have to be giving up more

e: honestly this is also probably (IMO) why they drafted ANdersson, seeing him as a player who will be ready sooner rather than later (even if he doesn't play in the NHL this season) and still has a chance to be a 2C or so. I'm imagining in my head that the Rangers would be happy to acquire another center for the right deal but they aren't going to make a huge move to do so, but will see how things work out by promoting players and developing their top draft pick. I could also see them being involved at the trade deadline for a center if are high in the standings and looking like they're good to make another run.
 
If JT Miller played for another team he would be a pipe dream for us to get... Young natural center scoring 0.6 PPG with little PP time and 3rd line minutes.

The target should be more skill and speed up front. Look at what we desperately lacked in the POs, someone like Hoffman could make something happen when he hit the ice. We don't have much of that. Being fast isnt enough, Chimera is fast. Someone who can beat players 1 on 1. Make that top notch pass. Creative players. I see zero point in getting like a fill-in at center like Bozak. Eric Staal keep popping up for some reason, I saw him a lot in the POs for Minny. 1 point in 5 games and he was really really awful.
 
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