Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day

[TheBloodyNine]

What if he gets hurt? He's not going to retire if that happened. Way too much money to leave on the table and you can't buy him out.

Limits the Rangers ability to make moves in the off-season.

What if he doesn't? Can't make a decision like that because maybe something might happen.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

What if he doesn't? Can't make a decision like that because maybe something might happen.

Yes, you can. It's not the only reason to do it but it's part of it. He's either blocking someone or $5MM of dead cap space if he's not playing. Cap space that can be better used to bolster the roster in the off-season.

 

[eco's bones]

Haha to be fair aren't you guys more of a band of drunken criminals? (joking) The Aussies have a good sense of humor about themselves, you have to love it, everyone takes themselves too serious nowadays, it's probably because the internet is so serious. lol

Anyway, looking at the #'s for Mika, it really looks like there's a deal to be made there. I don't really care if it's 5-6-7 years but the ultimate money has to be pretty reasonable given his demands vs. the Rangers.

What Ola's referring to is Britain back in the 18th century used Australia as a penal colony--they would send all kinds of malcontents and/or criminals as prison labor--many of them Irish or Scots.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yes, you can. It's not the only reason to do it but it's part of it. He's either blocking someone or $5MM of dead cap space if he's not playing. Cap space that can be better used to bolster the roster in the off-season.

Who are you getting for that cap space? What center is available?

We already have a buyout on our cap for years to come. Addling another one right away is not going to do this team any favors, especially if your doing it for a "What if" scenario.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This is true so dont aplogise...

POHMies!!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Who are you getting for that cap space? What center is available?

We already have a buyout on our cap for years to come. Addling another one right away is not going to do this team any favors, especially if your doing it for a "What if" scenario.

Yes it does do them favors. The combined cap hits of Staal and Girardi in the worst year is less the Staal makes himself.

As the season wears on $3MM in cap space becomes much more.

Its not a what if scenario that he will be blocking someone, that he stinks and no team will trade for him.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yes it does do them favors. The combined cap hits of Staal and Girardi in the worst year is less the Staal makes himself.

As the season wears on $3MM in cap space becomes much more.

Its not a what if scenario that he will be blocking someone, that he stinks and no team will trade for him.

Again, who are you using that cap space on? If you can speculate about a "maybe" injury you could speculate about that as well.

 

[Irishguy42]

Yes it does do them favors. The combined cap hits of Staal and Girardi in the worst year is less the Staal makes himself.

As the season wears on $3MM in cap space becomes much more.

Its not a what if scenario that he will be blocking someone, that he stinks and no team will trade for him.

Actually, the combined hit in the worst year is more than Staal's cap hit.

 

[TheTakedown]

I can answer that with a question. Does the Sahara Desert have a lot of sand?

I was at a bachelors party a few years ago where many NHL players, agents and scouts took part. AV came up as a point of discussion. No details, but it was (unanimously) not Pretty. Someone said he should coach a bad team for once. Maybe his next job gives him that opportunity

Yeah I'd love to see how he coaches the current Vancouver squad. He'd be fired in an instant

 

[TheTakedown]

Exactly, which is why no one would trade for Girardi. If we bought out Staal, I could see him getting a similar contract to what G just signed. The biggest issue with both buyouts is I think the penalties in years 3&4. Someone has the breakdown in a table in one of these threads

That was me. I have to find the imgur link and repost it

 

[TheTakedown]

Nobody ever answered my question. I often hear about dead cap amounts but don't we actually save around 1/3 of the already sunk guaranteed salary/cap hit and then have the remaining 2/3 divided over double the years?

Here is the chart I made about how it affects our cap situation

 

[TheTakedown]

I am tired of these 5+ years contracts. It seems like they are a complete failure compared to working out. I rather sign players 3-4 years and that's it. If they regress, you are not hampered with a bad contract. If they work out, evaluate the next contract. Pay them more or let them walk. I rather take that approach then risk having an anchor of a contract and be forced to buyout for dead cap space.

Gerardi - terrible
Staal - terrible
Stepan - about to be bad

Z is not a generational talent. I can see his contract being terrible if it's a 5-6 year deal.

I rather sign him to a low cap hit for 3 years because it is his RFA years.

The Stepan deal is bad because the rangers have him a bridge contract in 2013 instead of locking him up for 6 years... Do your ****ing homework before you spout out useless principles.

 

[TheTakedown]

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There's another coach in this league whose as cocky as AV is, and called wins and shutouts versus AV and hit the mark. Unlike AV, that coach will double shift and alter his ice-time and did that versus Alain, and threw Alain's gameplan off to the point where he would consistently have his top scoring unit out against the Rangers pluggers and center that couldn't win a face-off.

Am I safe to assume you are referring to Jon Cooper? Or are you talking about guy Boucher?

 

[TheTakedown]

I can admit that I am not that worried about McDonaghs next contract. He isn't built like those types that lose a step that easily, Neidermayer played his by far best hockey way into his 30s. McD takes a lot of punishment, but OTOH the game isn't that extremely physical.

But, we have tremendous depth on the blueline right now. What type of forward could we get for McDonagh now? Like let's say we dealt him for a forward right now. Our blueline would be:
Staal-Shatty
Skjei-Smith
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Holden

With Graves and Pionk on the depth chart, things could be a lot worse. I think Skjei in the coming year or two is going to take the step up and become a capable top D. But sure it would be better if McD was on it.

But could we get a top young forward for McD?

Mcdonagh easily brings back MacKinnon type player

 

[Tawnos]

Why not give Staal the option. Either get bought out this year or there is a distinct possibility he gets demoted. Remote him and you save just over $1m I believe. Which covers his replacement by one of the younger guys. Shortens his buyout and if the team doesn't need the cap space right now, it's not a bad move.

I get the feeling the Rangers know they may have 3-4 guys pushing for spots. Maybe Staal comes in to camp in great shape and a team is willing to trade for him at half cap hit

You cant demote a player with a NMC.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I am flying tomorrow so something for sure is going to happen while I am on the plane

Zibanejad will probably sign

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I am flying tomorrow so something for sure is going to happen while I am on the plane

Zibanejad will probably sign

Hopefully Holden for Bozak....or even better: Marc Staal for anything

 

[Ola]

Yeah I'd love to see how he coaches the current Vancouver squad. He'd be fired in an instant

Maybe, I've heard this too from other sources, but then there are others who point out that he is the type who people really question but that gets the results. Think it's important to have the right people around AV, think a quite non-likeable guy like Arnel might be a right guy.

Ulfie wants to become the first Swedish Head-coach in the NHL. He obviously has decided to go all in. He left us since there wasn't an opening here also. He interviewed and was close to the HC job in Carolina, but the interview was like days after our exit and he had zero time to prepare, the other guys came in with full detailed plans and he didn't. Assistants of successful coaches soften garners some interest -- that is why he went to Chicago. Ulfie is labeling himself as a man-man defense type, he knows what AV is doing and he knows what Quenville is doing. I am sure he would love to take a job under Babcock.

Will he get a shot?

 

[Ola]

Mcdonagh easily brings back MacKinnon type player

I agree, but who would that be?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hopefully Holden for Bozak....or even better: Marc Staal for anything

Staal+Holden for Bozak+Lupul

 

[Mikos87]

Am I safe to assume you are referring to Jon Cooper? Or are you talking about guy Boucher?

Yeah. Had to do with AV having the last change. Cooper knew the shift order AV would stick to, and messed around with that.

Boucher was a different story because he runs the infamous 1-3-1 in the neutral zone. Boucher changes up where his 2nd layer pressures in the neutral zone. Rangers would keep trying the stretch pass and fail.

Again a lack of adjustments.

With Boucher the F3 trailed back while their D pressured and F1 was receiving the puck quickly off the turnover every 3rd period of the game in the playoffs.

It's about adjustments against the 1-3-1... it worked well for him in 2011 since teams weren't used to it. They adjusted and then he ended up in Switzerland for a bit.

6 years later, teams had issues adjusting once again since it wasn't seen often around the league. I think it will be different this upcoming year. PIT adjusted by switching to how the Kings played under Sutter... they kept everything along the walls and grinded it out to prevent the counter transition.

With the amount of parity in the league, it's the anomalies that stick out.

3 RH shooting forwards on your top unit being one.

Having your top 4 D join and create a 5 man cycle.

These are luxuries that few teams have.

I think besides blazing speed, having a couple of forwards that can receive an area pass and maintain control with a checker right on him is another x-factor.

Thanks for the kind words Mac.

 

[Mikos87]

Maybe, I've heard this too from other sources, but then there are others who point out that he is the type who people really question but that gets the results. Think it's important to have the right people around AV, think a quite non-likeable guy like Arnel might be a right guy.

Ulfie wants to become the first Swedish Head-coach in the NHL. He obviously has decided to go all in. He left us since there wasn't an opening here also. He interviewed and was close to the HC job in Carolina, but the interview was like days after our exit and he had zero time to prepare, the other guys came in with full detailed plans and he didn't. Assistants of successful coaches soften garners some interest -- that is why he went to Chicago. Ulfie is labeling himself as a man-man defense type, he knows what AV is doing and he knows what Quenville is doing. I am sure he would love to take a job under Babcock.

Will he get a shot?

It would be good for him to work under Babs after TOR gets a better d-core. Peters is getting a lot out of little upfront in CAR.

I think CAR has a chance to be a dark horse team this year if the goaltending can hold up.

Then again, Cam Ward for 25 games may not get you 20 points during the season... so you never know. CAR has some decent forward depth this year. Their 3rd pair is weak, as is their back-up.

But it would be good for Ulfie to coach with contenders.

 

[Mikos87]

I'd explore 4th line options for Girgensons/Brodziak and even Sheahan.

The offense won't be there at all. But you'd get a match-up option that's going to be overpaid for the offensive yield for 1 season.

All of those teams have spare centers and those players can be had for a pick.

Girgensons was rushed, but he had a ~.5 PPG before falling off a cliff the last two years. But he's a good checking line option.

BUF is going to have Eichel/ROR/Reinhart/Larsson down the middle.

 

[alkurtz]

Why not give Staal the option. Either get bought out this year or there is a distinct possibility he gets demoted. Remote him and you save just over $1m I believe. Which covers his replacement by one of the younger guys. Shortens his buyout and if the team doesn't need the cap space right now, it's not a bad move.

I get the feeling the Rangers know they may have 3-4 guys pushing for spots. Maybe Staal comes in to camp in great shape and a team is willing to trade for him at half cap hit

Not the way you treat a player who has meant so much to the Rangers for so long.

Yes, it's a business but the Rangers have a solid reputation around the league for how they treat their players: it's one of the reasons why we are always an attraction option (in addition to it being NYC, Original Six, etc) to free agents.

Discuss a buyout with him? Sure. Discuss the good possibility that his playing time might be limited this year? Sure. Discuss the possibility of him waiving his contract status so as to explore trades? Sure. Threaten him? Absolutely not.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'd explore 4th line options for Girgensons/Brodziak and even Sheahan.

The offense won't be there at all. But you'd get a match-up option that's going to be overpaid for the offensive yield for 1 season.

All of those teams have spare centers and those players can be had for a pick.

Girgensons was rushed, but he had a ~.5 PPG before falling off a cliff the last two years. But he's a good checking line option.

BUF is going to have Eichel/ROR/Reinhart/Larsson down the middle.

Agree and can add Spooner.

What about Fisher on a 2 yr deal for 2.5 mil? Or doing something with COL around Soderberg and Staal/Holden?