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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day

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Eh, he wasn't really... He was playing with a Girardi level player, any small mistake Ghost made was amplified because of it.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Eh, he wasn't really... He was playing with a Girardi level player, any small mistake Ghost made was amplified because of it.
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Are you blaming MacDonald a (minus 5) for Ghosts (minus 21) mistakes? How exactly did that work? Dave Haskil, Gord Murphy, and Joe Mullen know a heck of a lot about this game. They wouldn't have scratched Ghost for MacDonalds mistakes.
 
You're using +/- at all? Please stop.

I'm just going to say that i disagree with you and stop this here because i can't argue with anyone who uses +/- in the year 2017 to try and make a point.
 
DrRecchi said:
Kings won because they had better center depth as well. They had 3 centers better than our #2C. And the Rangers haven't had centers as good as Kopitar/Carter in decades.
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I agree but only to an extent. I think the argument is somewhat flawed that you can only win with elite centers. I think if you have the right players you can win. It doesn't necessarily have to be in the form of center depth.

You mean to tell me if this team had Patrik Laine, Jamie Benn, Phil Kessel and Nikita Kucherov, but with its current center depth and defense that it couldn't win a cup?

Benn Zibanejad Kucherov
Kreider Hayes Laine
Zuccarello Miller Kessel
Grabner Desharnais Fast

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Bereglazov DeAngelo

I really don't understand how a team with elite depth on the wings can't compete with a team that has elite depth down the middle but is weak on the wings. There is no blueprint for a cup champion. Good teams find ways to utilize their talent to the best of its ability. Maybe our team wasn't successful for a number of reasons but Stepan as the first line center wasn't one of them. They were a fortuitous bounce and a goalie interference call away from going back to the Garden up 2-0. It didn't fall in their favor. It happens. It's very hard to win a cup. It might be another 30 years before we win another or it could happen next season.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
You're using +/- at all? Please stop.

I'm just going to say that i disagree with you and stop this here because i can't argue with anyone who uses +/- in the year 2017 to try and make a point.
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I will put aside your strawman reply regarding plus minus and ask you in a different way. If Ghost was glued to Macdonald as you claimed how did Ghost end up on the ice for a much greater amount of goals against than goals for than MacDonald? How is that possible if they were glued together???


Is it possible that lifelong hockey guys like Haskill, Murphy, and Mullen who watch Ghost every day might know more than you do?
 
Looking it up now, he wasn't glued to MacDonald, my bad there. I just know my timeline was filled with Philly fans hating on Hakstol for most of the season.

Manning was his most common partner, MacDonald his 2nd most common partner.

Not like Phillys coaching staff has made a bunch of good decisions lately though, Bellemare, VandeVelde, MacDonald comes to mind.
Them scratching Ghost for a few games (was he even healthy?) is not a good argument against him imo.
 
Is it possible that you (and the Philly coaching staff) was drawing big conclusions from a small sample of really bad on ice PDO?
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Looking it up now, he wasn't glued to MacDonald, my bad there. I just know my timeline was filled with Philly fans hating on Hakstol for most of the season.

Manning was his most common partner, MacDonald his 2nd most common partner.

Not like Phillys coaching staff has made a bunch of good decisions lately though, Bellemare, VandeVelde, MacDonald comes to mind.
Them scratching Ghost for a few games (was he even healthy?) is not a good argument against him imo.
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Ghost could end up having a great career. All I did was recognize that he had multiple scratches last season mainly because of bad decisions and shaky defensive play. There is nothing wrong with recognizing the truth regarding his play last season.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Is it possible that you (and the Philly coaching staff) was drawing big conclusions from a small sample of really bad on ice PDO?
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Anything is possible but those Philly coaches watch their player day in and day out. They have a combined 60 plus years NHL experience. The media also spoke about Ghosts defensive issues. Since you were wrong about MacDonald is it possible you did not watch Ghost play as much as those folks?
 
I'd easily take Skjei over Gostisbehere. Brady has size, skating, defense, puck movement, offense. He's got an all around game already and there's still upside left. IMO he could be our best defenseman within two years even if McDonagh maintains his same level.
 
RGY said:
How would the Rangers fit both Kane and Bozak? Aint happening.
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You are likely right that it ain't happening.

But it actually fits.

It fits already if TML were to retain a mere 1M on Bozak. Hence NYR adding the 2nd rounder.

I gave Trantah some additional pure money incentive (5.25 M Lupul who goes on LTIR on the first day of training camp - 1,1 M difference in theoretical retention on Bozaks salary = 4,15 M in savings for TML) by adding on a total of 50% retention for Bozaks hit but us instead also paying Lupuls salary not to play. As he and Fast were both to start the year on LTIR meaning we in theory then can exceed the cap by $7,1 M. Which is no problem as we need not so much overage. We can still operate the team all year with Lupul being "off the books", we can still be active at the deadline and are cap compliant during the offseason as well ( far under the $82,5 M which is the summer cap ceiling). We also send them something like Chapie for pure roster space purposes. When Fast returns someone like L Andersson (loaned to Frolunda) or Puempel/Desharnais (waivers) would likely leave the team anyways. At that given point we would likely have a glut of forwards as well. Which could return an interesting asset if so be the case.
 
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Appeal to authority is a logical
fallacy. Coaches make mistakes all the time even with years and years of experience

But if I recall, Gotisbehere was in the doghouse for not being in proper condition and any mistakes beyond that were probably influenced by the coaching staff irritation at that. Could be misremembering though
 
Wow, what a surprise, Lambert wrote an article with an overall negative tone about the Rangers.
 
Levitate said:
Appeal to authority is a logical
fallacy. Coaches make mistakes all the time even with years and years of experience

But if I recall, Gotisbehere was in the doghouse for not being in proper condition and any mistakes beyond that were probably influenced by the coaching staff irritation at that. Could be misremembering though
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Ghost acknowledged his defensive mistakes multiple times.

Coaches do make mistakes at times but I bet the average fan on this board would make 200 times as many mistakes if they were made a NHL head coach tomorrow. Often "coaches mistakes" are tough decisions that could go bad either way. Is it logical to at least acknowledge an expert with years of experience who watches a player day in and day out or should we just ignore that experience? Would we ignore the experience of a top surgeon and pass on him for a guy that watches youtube surgery videos? Would a pro Nascar team hire the best mechanics around or a guy that has a manual on how to fix cars?
 
Mac n Gs said:
Wow, what a surprise, Lambert wrote an article with an overall negative tone about the Rangers.
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Girardi and Klein are moved and taking their top 4 places are Shattenkirk and Smith. But the defense is still bad?

Not to mention talking about a team's playoff chances at this point is stupid. More moves could be made, a D is surely getting traded, Staal dn Holden won't both be in the top 6. Deangelo being young and unproven doesn't mean he's bad.

Some of the concerns raised are fine (C depth, Pavs/Hank) but the defense being a mess? This seems like an article that he had his general point in mind then tried to make things look a certain way to support his point, i.e agenda driven.

Whatever, it's July and he's writing about the Rangers because they get clicks.
 
There are like 2 professional writers in the world that has an up to date understanding of this team at any given point.
 
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