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If Bennett is indeed in play, then you have to ask yourself why that is the case.

CGY raved about him when getting him, but last year showed that they may not be worth the pick.

Bennet could very well be another kid that played a rough and tumble style in juniors that lead to his success at the Major Junior level, but he could be a guy that doesn't mature physically and that hinders him when playing in the men's league.

I wouldn't trade for him if a lack of athleticism is the case... he won't be more than a middle six winger if those are the challenges that he faces. He doesn't have the speed or skill of Johnny Hockey... he's nowhere near that type of player.
 
NickyFotiu said:
The notion that AV will not play younger guys is false. Like most coaches he will play both young and old guys largely based on their actual play on the ice not based only by their age. He has benched players that are old and players that are young. He benched Brad Richards. He benched Dan Boyle. Part of coaching inexperienced guys in the NHL is sitting them when they make defensive mistakes. Its not about hurting them. Its about making them become better players. CK and JT were benched or demoted during games when they were screwing up defensively. So was Hayes. So was Brady. So was Oscar. If AV will not play younger players than CK, JT, and Hayes never would have scored 50 points last season. They would have been traded years ago.
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Good post.

And I think it's very fair to point out that we have an amazing track record of developing kids while AV has been here. I think many forget how often young talent just don't even remotely get to where they should. But besides Grachev and McIlrath every single kid we had in the system almost has really done well for us.

Then it can of course be discussed how much of his is attributable to AV. And how much is attributable to having a good organization as a whole, great lockerrom, peer pressure, good kids to start with and so forth and so forth. BUT the starting point in discussions that it should be expected that AV is horrible and will ruin kids "as usual" is certainly kind of odd.
 
Mikos87 said:
If Bennett is indeed in play, then you have to ask yourself why that is the case.

CGY raved about him when getting him, but last year showed that they may not be worth the pick.

Bennet could very well be another kid that played a rough and tumble style in juniors that lead to his success at the Major Junior level, but he could be a guy that doesn't mature physically and that hinders him when playing in the men's league.

I wouldn't trade for him if a lack of athleticism is the case... he won't be more than a middle six winger if those are the challenges that he faces. He doesn't have the speed or skill of Johnny Hockey... he's nowhere near that type of player.
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I agree on Bennet. To some extent, I also think this is a matter of the stars just not aligning for the best development of kids in the Hockey Canada system. All systems have ups and downs, historically so have Canada regularly. Sometimes many of the better young kids are like Jason Bosignore, Dan Tkachuck and Jamie Lundmark caliber, at other times mid prospects become like Getzlafs and Perrys at worst it seems like. When seing the Reinhart and Strome brothers, Lazard and Virtanens, Bennet and co match up against European competition they have just not even remotely been as downright dominant as Canadian U20 teams are, this entire group has honestly been among the worst I've ever seen for Canada over a few years. I am a bit colored from living through the 21-0 stretch and a ton of gold before and after that when Sweden like where lucky to only lose 5-1, but many of these guys just haven't been up there. If you look at bigger sample sizes, there should be a handful of players -- per age group -- that becomes like top line forwards in the league. Another handful who become second lineers. It just don't take that much for a high pick to fall out of that group of the system he was coming from just didn't give him very good conditions to succeed at the moment.

I don't have a good grasp of Bennet, I like his playmaking ability but also am not blown away by his overal game. Easily become very bleak in games. Kind of like the Strome NYI moved. Think he would be too expensive for what he is worth.
 
RGY said:
No clear #1 center in 2014. Were some bad bounces and misfortunes away from having a commanding lead in the SCF. They were in every game.

But i mean sure theres just simply no way they can win...
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Kings won because they had better center depth as well. They had 3 centers better than our #2C. And the Rangers haven't had centers as good as Kopitar/Carter in decades.
 
McD37 said:
Is not deAngelo quite solid defensively especially for a guy who is supposed to be big offensive weapon?
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Let me go over this one more time. deAngelo is 21. He needs a lot of development. Some of that development may come in the AHL. He is nowhere near polished defensively and his offensive game, while much more advanced, is still a work in progress. He got third pair minutes on a real bad team last year and that team was willing to trade him. (and BTW, the Coyotes have little in the way of defensive prospects.)

He's a defenseman. They don't all come at the same rate and some don't develop until their mid 20's.

I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player but he is not top four ready and playing on the third pair with Staal may not be the best route for his development.
 
I think HFNYR isn't excited enough about seeing Ryan McDonagh unshackled from Dan Girardi. There is no model capable of predicting the possible outcomes. The net + of having two complete, un****ed, and capable top 4 pairings is something we haven't seen in years.
 
Random tidbit.

Kinkaid reached out to the Rangers - the Rangers said no thanks. Sad face.

Pavelec is a better option though.
 
Lorb said:
I think HFNYR isn't excited enough about seeing Ryan McDonagh unshackled from Dan Girardi. There is no model capable of predicting the possible outcomes. The net + of having two complete, un****ed, and capable top 4 pairings is something we haven't seen in years.
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Agreed. Being able to watch McDonagh Unchained will be fun, especially if paired with Shattenkirk most of the time.
 
Mikos87 said:
If Bennett is indeed in play, then you have to ask yourself why that is the case.

CGY raved about him when getting him, but last year showed that they may not be worth the pick.

Bennet could very well be another kid that played a rough and tumble style in juniors that lead to his success at the Major Junior level, but he could be a guy that doesn't mature physically and that hinders him when playing in the men's league.

I wouldn't trade for him if a lack of athleticism is the case... he won't be more than a middle six winger if those are the challenges that he faces. He doesn't have the speed or skill of Johnny Hockey... he's nowhere near that type of player.
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Can he do a pull up yet?
 
Alluckks said:
Random tidbit.

Kinkaid reached out to the Rangers - the Rangers said no thanks. Sad face.

Pavelec is a better option though.
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So happy NYR chose Pavelec over Kinkaid, Pavelec has atleast had good seasons and has shown upside, Kinkaid never has.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
So happy NYR chose Pavelec over Kinkaid, Pavelec has atleast had good seasons and has shown upside, Kinkaid never has.
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I'm aware. I just like Kinkaid as a person. Would have been fun to see him do well here. That said, no lost sleep haha we will win more games with Pav.
 
Lorb said:
I think HFNYR isn't excited enough about seeing Ryan McDonagh unshackled from Dan Girardi. There is no model capable of predicting the possible outcomes. The net + of having two complete, un****ed, and capable top 4 pairings is something we haven't seen in years.
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I'd be more excited if Staal wasn't still......a thing.
 
Not trading 23 second rounders plus, but...some crazy thoughts

Last night I had the Strangest dream...

Trades
Number One - Marc Staal, Ryan Graves (or eventually Sean Day) and NYR 3rd round pick (2019) for Evander Kane and Buffalos 7th round pick (2020). You could add one of Wall or Huska here as well (if necessary). Ok, I am desperate, include the NHL rights to Niklas Jensen and the NHL rights to Carl Klingberg too if you want to. Staal must go!

Number Two - Nick Holden, Adam Chapie and NYR 2nd round pick (2019) sent to Toronto for Tyler Bozak (50% retained), Joffrey Lupul and the TML 7th round pick (2018)

Signings
Sign M Zinbad Five years @ $4,9M. Tough luck halfBro...
Lias Andersson gets to show what he has in camp
He can then also play 9 NHL games and thereafter (likely) get sent back to Frölunda this season - thereby not burning a year on his ELC
Contract of Malte Strömwall is mutually cancelled and nullified
2 guys will likely also have their contracts slide. One of them is Chytil
Other remaining signings as per below:
Younger, faster, better
Rebuilding on the fly
Lots of options
Have at it...

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2017-2018 (49)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (25)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2017
1| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011)|24
2| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |25
3| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |23
4| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA |24
5| F | Matt Puempel |$725.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Ottawa (2011) - waiver claim 2016|24
6| F | Rick Nash "A" (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|33
7| F | Evander Kane |$5,250,000 |UFA 2018 |Buffalo Sabres/NHL |R1 #4 Winnipeg Jets (2009) - acquired through trade |30
8| F | Joffrey Lupul - LTIR |$5,250,000 |UFA 2018 |Toronto Maple Leafs/NHL | R1 #7 Anaheim Ducks (2002) - acquired through trade |34
9| F | Tyler Bozak|$2,100,000 (2,1 M retained) |UFA 2018 |Toronto Maple Leafs/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |31
10| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |30
11| F | Ondrej Pavelec |$1,300,000 |UFA 2018 |Winnipeg Jets/NHL |R2 #41 Atlanta Flames (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
12| F | David Desharnais |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |Edmonton Oilers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA|31
13| D | Eric Gelinas |$650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #54 New Jersey Devils (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA|26
14| D | Ryan McDonagh "C" |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|28
15| F | Mats Zuccarello "A" (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |30
16| D | Alexei Bereglazov (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL|Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
17| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |22
18| D | Anthony DeAngelo (ELC)|$863,333* |RFA 2019 |Arizona Coyotes/NHL |R1 #19 Tampa Bay (2014) |22
19| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |26
20| F | Jesper Fast(h) LTIR |$1,850.000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |26
21| F | Lias Andersson (ELC-S)|$925,000* |UFA 2020 |HV71/SHL |R1 #7 NYR (2017) |19
22| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |35
23| D | Kevin Shattenkirk (NTC)|$6,650,000 |UFA 2021 |Washington Capitals/NHL|R1 #14 Colorado Avalanche (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA|28
24| D | Brendan Smith (NTC) |$4,350,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #27 Detroit Red Wings (2007) - acquired through trade|28
25| F | Mika Zibanejad (NTC) |$4,900,000 |UFA 2022 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #6 Ottawa Senators (2011) - acquired through trade |24[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $75,000,000
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $2,611,111
SALARY HIT: $76,688,333
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUT: $79,599,444
CAP SPACE: -$4,599,444
16 FWD - 7 D - 2 G
LTIR (2): Jesper Fast (out until November/December) - $1.850.000 + Joffrey Lupul (out all season) - $5.250.000
AVERAGE AGE ~ 26.5 years

CONTRACTED 2017/2018 BUT LIKELY ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (25)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2017
26|F |Paul Carey |$650,000 |UFA 2018 |Hershey Bears/AHL |R5 #135 Colorado (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
27|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |23
28|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |23
29|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |24
30|F |Daniel Catenacci |$650,000 |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #77 Buffalo (2011)- acquired through trade |23
31|D |John Gilmour (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA|24
32|F |Cole Schneider |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Rochester Americans/AHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |27
33|D |Steve Kampfer |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #93 (2007) Anaheim - acquired through trade |29
34|F |Vinni Lettieri (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
35|D |Neil Pionk (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
36|G |Chris Nell (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Bowling Green/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
37|D |Will Butcher (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Denver/NCAA |R5 #105 Colorado Avalanche (2013)- signed w/NYR as UFA |22
38|F | Alex Kerfoot (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Harvard/NCAA |R5 #150 New Jersey Devils (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA|23
39|F |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |21
40|F | Vladimir Tkachyov (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2020 |Admiral Vladivostok/KHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
41|G |Brandon Halverson (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014)|21
42|D |Vince Pedrie (ELC) |$767,500* |RFA 2019 |Penn State Univ./NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
43|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC) |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |21
44|G |Alexander Georgiev(ELC)|$792,500* |RFA 2020 |TPS/Liiga Finland |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
45|D |Sean Day (ELC-S) |$775,833* |RFA 2020 |Windsor Spitfires/OHL |R3 #81 NYR (2016) |19
46|F |Dawson Leedahl (ELC)|$749,167* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
47|F |Gabriel Fontaine (ELC)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |R6 #171 NYR (2016) |20
48|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC)|$734,166* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |20
(49)|F |Timothy Gettinger (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|R5 #141 NYR (2016) |19
(50)|F |Filip Chytil (ELC-S) |$925,000* |RFA 2020 |PSG Zlín/Czech Extraliga |R1 #21 NYR (2017) |18[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (12)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2016| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shestyorkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|F |Patrik Virta |TPS/Liiga Finland |5' 10" | 181 | Finland |R|March 6, 1996 |R7 #207 NYR (2017)
3|D |Tyler Nanne |Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |5' 10" | 183 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
4|F |Daniel Bernhardt |VIK Västerås HK/Allsvenskan |6' 3" | 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|D |Brandon Crawley |London Knights/OHL |6' 2" | 203 | USA |L|February 2, 1997 |R4 #123 NYR (2017)
6|F |Dominik Lakatos |Bili Tygri Liberec/Czech Extraliga|5' 11"| 179 |Czech Republic |L|April 8, 1997 |R6 #157 NYR (2017)
7|G |Adam Huska |UConn Huskies/NCAA |6' 3" | 191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
8|F |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" | 165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
9|G |Tyler Wall |UMass Lowell River Hawks/NCAA |6' 2" | 190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
10|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TUTO Hockey/Mestis |6' 0" | 180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
11|F |Morgan Barron |St. Andrew's College/CAHS |6' 2" | 201 | Canada |R|December 02, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2017)
12|D |Calle Själin |Östersunds IK/Div.1 Sweden |6' 1" | 176 | Sweden |L|September 2, 1999 |R5 #145 NYR (2017)
(13)|F |Carl Klingberg |EV Zug/NLA - rights retained |6' 3" | 212 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)
(14)|F |Niklas Jensen |Jokerit/KHL - rights retained |6' 3" | 216 | Denmark |R|March 6, 1993 |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011)[/table]

2018 DRAFT PICKS (7)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round Toronto (regained)

  • We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
  • We then lost Ottawas 2nd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
  • We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

2019 DRAFT PICKS (6)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 5th round Buffalo
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR

2nd rounder lost in trade for Tyler Bozak
3rd rounder lost in trade for Evander Kane. Extra 5th or 6th added

2020 DRAFT PICKS (7)
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR
 
The NHL Network did a re-draft of the 2012 for D. So many quality D. EJ Hradek and Kevin Weekes. Both of them picked Slavin #1. EJ had Skjei at #5. Weekes had Skjei at #3 or #4. Trouba was his 5th. Parayko,Trouba and Lindholm were in the top 5 mix. They didn't post the link to the segment.
 
I think they're both very wrong :P

Lindholm easily #1, Parayko just as easily #2...
Then Trouba and Slavin... After that it's interesting, i'd have Ghost #5 then it's like super close between Skjei, Rielly, Dumba and probably a couple more.
 
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