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They're going to have to pull some f***ery if they want to add Kadri.

It's either going to require shuffling other players around or committing to term that is going to suck. Probably both.

I really don't see how its possible. Too many moving parts. I buy that hes high on their list but I don't think they're going to be able to pull this one off with out Kadri either making some pretty big concessions or the Rangers doing things that they probably shouldn't be doing.
 
I'm sure the Rangers are doing their due diligence on many UFAs. And I'm sure they have Kadri very high on their wish list.

But the reality of the situation is this: barring a major change in our cap situation, there's a number that we'd need to get him at (both in AAV and term), that makes such a transaction extremely unlikely. We just get "linked" to these players for clicks.
 
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Brooksie just dropped a bomb regarding Kadri. Sign and trade with a team like Chicago or Arizona and thy retain half if we send them a package around Kakko/Lundkvist.

I will believe it when I see it, but Larry suggesting it as a realistic option gives some credibility to these rumor imo.

 
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bleedblue94 said:
i dont want to get everyone here worked up but i think that all this talk about drury wanting to avoid term is directly related to the brewing situation in toronto.

matthews has 2 years left on his deal, and in the last year has a nmc like zib did. the leafs are going to have to give him a blank check for an extension (which they may not even be able to afford) or they are going to have to trade him next summer. there is no way they can allow him to walk as a ufa in two years. that team just took a goalie from the sens that ottawa PAID the leafs to take from them. that was their answer again for the net. they still have massive issues on the defense. i think this coming season/playoff will dictate what happens with matthews long term and even if they get to the second round i am still very skeptical he will resign there for a variety of reasons. i know everyone points to arizona and his coming home story, but i absolutely think drury has his eye on that entire situation and he wants to be able to make an offer IF the opportunity presents itself.

i could absolutely see dubas being allowed to stay past next summer even if the leafs have issues so that IF they attempt to resign matthews and he pulls a taveras on them and walks as a ufa the leafs org can then fire dubas and blame the entire loss of matthews on him. i truly believe dubas is only there at this point to be the fall guy if this happens bc they have already handed him the keys for years and they can see he is like themla and lousie driving towards the cliff. if matthews walks/leaves then that is over the cliff. if they trade him after his nmc kicks in they wont get an appropriate return bc he can pick his home to resign at, so the trade will be a debacle. the whole situation brewing in toronto has the potential to become a real story over the next 12-24 months and i think drury wants to avoid term so he can he available if the opportunity is there...
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I've had the same thoughts, I know you can't look that far ahead but the stars are sort of aligning there. Especially if there's a big cap increase that summer.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
Kadri, said the Rangers have him very high on their list
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right, bc no one in ny knows what drury is doing yet somehow prior to ufa even being here frank has infiltrated drury's headquarters and knows the rangers have him high on the list? great way for website hits, but let's be serious here about this being known information about him being high on an nyr list or you just connecting dots on what MIGHT make sense. this is all for clicks right now and ad money. NO ONE knows what drury is doing tomorrow.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
kadri is 32, you think he is getting 8mil for playing till 37 in this market?

nuke is 27 years old, he contract takes him to 35 and the aav there is lower based on the length. that nuke contract points even moreso to this kadri at 8+ nonsense as his agent driving the bus prior to ufa status. that is how you drum up an auction. i pray kadri goes to the caps.
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Yes I do. Top UFA's get their money and he had a terrific season on a cup winning team. That adds value. I think he gets 8 if term is 5 years or less. GM's will worry about the back end of that contract at a later date like they always do and by that time the cap will be much higher anyway.
 
McRanger92 said:
Brooksie just dropped a bomb regarding Kadri. Sign and trade with a team like Chicago or Arizona and thy retain half if we send them a package around Kakko/Lundkvist.

I will believe it when I see it, but Larry suggesting it as a realistic option gives some credibility to these rumor imo.

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i dont think you can do that via the cap, doesnt a player need to be held for a year after signing a contract before you can trade AND retain? I am almost certain.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
kadri is 32, you think he is getting 8mil for playing till 37 in this market?

nuke is 27 years old, he contract takes him to 35 and the aav there is lower based on the length. that nuke contract points even moreso to this kadri at 8+ nonsense as his agent driving the bus prior to ufa status. that is how you drum up an auction. i pray kadri goes to the caps.
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Look, there are going to be teams willing to pay that 8m for Kadri. Not that they should, but there will be. A team like Seattle, maybe Buffalo. Detroit. Teams that aren't really going to be contenders instantly, but want to make a splash and have the capspace. I'm sure they can work out the structure in a way that makes it easy to move Kadri or buy him out if those teams are knocking on the door and his contract is an issue.

The Nuke situation is not really comparable because he's in his prime, his underlaying numbers have been good for years and he will continue to play with MacKinnon so doubtful his numbers will take a huge step back. I think Colorado overpaid him a bit, but I think that contract is not as awful as some people make it out to be.
 
McRanger92 said:
Brooksie just dropped a bomb regarding Kadri. Sign and trade with a team like Chicago or Arizona and thy retain half if we send them a package around Kakko/Lundkvist.

I will believe it when I see it, but Larry suggesting it as a realistic option gives some credibility to these rumor imo.

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So one of these teams is going to eat 4M or so for 4-5 years? even if they acquire Kakko or Lundkvist, I'm skeptical. Never mind the legality of it.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Brooksie just dropped a bomb regarding Kadri. Sign and trade with a team like Chicago or Arizona and thy retain half if we send them a package around Kakko/Lundkvist.

I will believe it when I see it, but Larry suggesting it as a realistic option gives some credibility to these rumor imo.

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This would be the ultimate f***ery.

Is this even legal?
 
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McRanger92 said:
Brooksie just dropped a bomb regarding Kadri. Sign and trade with a team like Chicago or Arizona and thy retain half if we send them a package around Kakko/Lundkvist.

I will believe it when I see it, but Larry suggesting it as a realistic option gives some credibility to these rumor imo.

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What team is eating half the contract for 7-8 years though? Nobody is doing that
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
Yes I do. Top UFA's get their money and he had a terrific season on a cup winning team. That adds value. I think he gets 8 if term is 5 years or less. GM's will worry about the back end of that contract at a later date like they always do and by that time the cap will be much higher anyway.
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i dont believe it. people cry about trading a 32 year old with 8mil on it for 3 years left, signing someone like that to a new contract that takes them to 37 is beyond stupid. it might happen, but it wont happen here. i would be shocked. goes against everything drury has done
 
Anthony5967 said:
What team is eating half the contract for 7-8 years though? Nobody is doing that
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He's not going to get that amount of term.

But its alot of money to eat for even 4 years. I get that these teams are in a complete rebuild and will need help reaching the cap floor (especially Chicago, since they're hell bent on moving everyone) but I can't see it.

Not to mention I dont even know if its legal. It would be the most creative cap circumventing f***ery I've seen yet though.
 
LOFIN said:
Look, there are going to be teams willing to pay that 8m for Kadri. Not that they should, but there will be. A team like Seattle, maybe Buffalo. Detroit. Teams that aren't really going to be contenders instantly, but want to make a splash and have the capspace. I'm sure they can work out the structure in a way that makes it easy to move Kadri or buy him out if those teams are knocking on the door and his contract is an issue.

The Nuke situation is not really comparable because he's in his prime, his underlaying numbers have been good for years and he will continue to play with MacKinnon so doubtful his numbers will take a huge step back. I think Colorado overpaid him a bit, but I think that contract is not as awful as some people make it out to be.
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i was replying to someone else who used the nuke deal to justify kadri getting 8+ for 5 years. if kadri gets 8+ it will be for 3 years. if it goes 5 years than the aav starts to come down. kadri would be such a mistake.
 
McRanger92 said:
I have no idea I am just the messenger. Seems like circumvention but if theres no rule against it, Im in. Every other team is cheating, why not us
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I'm all for exploiting loopholes. I didnt care when Tampa did it and thought people whining about it were dumb.

This seems like its pushing the envelope a bit too far though. If its legal, hey lets f*** with it.
 
bleedblue94 said:
i dont believe it. people cry about trading a 32 year old with 8mil on it for 3 years left, signing someone like that to a new contract that takes them to 37 is beyond stupid. it might happen, but it wont happen here. i would be shocked. goes against everything drury has done
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It may not happen here but he is getting 8 mil from someone.
 
McRanger92 said:
I have no idea I am just the messenger. Seems like circumvention but if theres no rule against it, Im in. Every other team is cheating, why not us
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I'm leaning towards @bleedblue94 and think this is actually forbidden in the CBA. I'm also pretty sure if Brooksie heard about such a rumour, the league has heard about it and basically sent a memo "don't do it".

The last time similar circumvention was used when Colorado traded for Grubauer and Orpik, bought Orpik out and then Caps re-signed him. The league basically sent out a memo saying Colorado and Washington were not going to be punished because technically that was allowed, but any team trying to pull similar BS in the future would be hit. After this there was the Tampa LTIR-stuff, I think the league really doesn't want to have anything of this sort going on. Let alone it being with Arizona which is a controversial team anyway...
 
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