Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[17futurecap]

He got sent to another tax free state where he will live in a rich suburb outside of a great city, sounds like a nice outcome for him.

 

[Thirty One]

I think there’s a difference between explaining it’s an option than threatening to cut him if he doesn’t do what they want.

See the problem is you're picturing Brisebois saying it in a mean voice in your head.

 

[Alluckks]

See the problem is you're picturing Brisebois saying it in a mean voice in your head.

"Buddy, pal, come on"

 

[Larrys13]

I wonder why McDonagh was willing to waive from a no tax state on a Cup contender to go to Nashville, I’ve heard it’s impossible to get veterans to waive.

Tennessee also no tax state

 

[SA16]

See the problem is you're picturing Brisebois saying it in a mean voice in your head.

No. The problem is the alleged agreement with another team to claim him after they waive him. It defeats the purpose of the NTC. You can then effectively imply any player with a NTC that doesn't have a NMC can be sent to the team number one in the waiver priority whenever desired by waiving them and asking them to claim him. If it's a cap dump that's the end of it. If it's a real deal they can make some secondary deal in the future to equal out the compensation. I think the NHLPA would have an issue with teams waiving players with NTCs and then having Arizona (or whoever is #1 at the time) constantly claim them. It circumvents the NTC.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would move Kakko for Dach and never think twice. Dach is also a lot more physical and a more complete player

Look you can want to trade Kakko for Dach all you want. But this is 100%, undeniably false.

 

[Thirty One]

No. The problem is the alleged agreement with another team to claim him after they waive him. It defeats the purpose of the NTC. You can then effectively imply any player with a NTC that doesn't have a NMC can be sent to the team number one in the waiver priority whenever desired by waiving them and asking them to claim him. If it's a cap dump that's the end of it. If it's a real deal they can make some secondary deal in the future to equal out the compensation. I think the NHLPA would have an issue with teams waiving players with NTCs and then having Arizona (or whoever is #1 at the time) constantly claim them. It circumvents the NTC.

Yeah, if there is an agreement with Columbus about waivers, then that crosses a line. I missed Kypreos mention that "commitment". I do doubt that happened though. It wouldn't need to. McDonagh is a smart guy. If Columbus is willing to give up a third rounder to take him on (or whatever it was), I'm sure they would be willing to spend the waiver fee to do so. His agent can tell him the waiver order. He can definitely identify the option that gives him the least control.

 

[UnSandvich]

The latest Armchair GM silliness i've found:

1. Othmann, Brennan
2. Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
3. Chytil, Filip
4. Nemeth, Patrik
5. Kravtsov, Vitali
6. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)

FOR

1. Larkin, Dylan
2. Zadina, Filip

Additional Details:
Larkin moved due to contract extension issue ..signs extension 4 Rangers

 

[RangersFan1994]

Look you can want to trade Kakko for Dach all you want. But this is 100%, undeniably false.

When has Kakko every do this

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I can totally see the Rangers signing Kulak or Robert Hagg as the depth D. No info just a hunch.

 

[Alluckks]

No. The problem is the alleged agreement with another team to claim him after they waive him. It defeats the purpose of the NTC. You can then effectively imply any player with a NTC that doesn't have a NMC can be sent to the team number one in the waiver priority whenever desired by waiving them and asking them to claim him. If it's a cap dump that's the end of it. If it's a real deal they can make some secondary deal in the future to equal out the compensation. I think the NHLPA would have an issue with teams waiving players with NTCs and then having Arizona (or whoever is #1 at the time) constantly claim them. It circumvents the NTC.

Well, yeah, it is just common sense. If the Rangers wanted to move Kreider, but he didn't want to waive for a team, you can sure bet it doesn't take 20 years of experience in the industry to deduce that Columbus would claim him for free on waivers.

"Hey Columbus, do you want to trade for McDonagh?"
"No, we don't, but if he popped up on waivers we'd probably claim him"

It isn't circumventing, it is an effect of exercising your full NTC.

 

[Thirty One]

I can totally see the Rangers signing Kulak or Robert Hagg as the depth D. No info just a hunch.

Think Kulak will be out of that depth D price range.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The latest Armchair GM silliness i've found:

1. Othmann, Brennan
2. Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
3. Chytil, Filip
4. Nemeth, Patrik
5. Kravtsov, Vitali
6. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)

FOR

1. Larkin, Dylan
2. Zadina, Filip

Additional Details:
Larkin moved due to contract extension issue ..signs extension 4 Rangers

The Rangers have big plans for Othmann. He was also Drury's first pick. He was projected as a Chris Kunitz type aka a productive sidekick you can play with the stars.

Him and Kravtsov are going to get auditions for the Vatrano role.

Vegas has still been super quiet. No cap room and Roy, Kolesar, and even Patrick with the former two needing new contracts. Roy/Kolesar could really help the Rangers.

 

[huerter]

There is no point in paying a premium for someone who won't even be on PP1.

 

[McRanger92]

If you want a good laugh, look at the packages proposed by the Vancouver fans for JT Miller?

Lundkvist and a protected first is all I’d offer. Maybe throw in a lower prospect if they retain

 

[IDvsEGO]

Look you can want to trade Kakko for Dach all you want. But this is 100%, undeniably false.

Dach has put up almost identical numbers as Kakko while averaging 2 minutes more per game.
Kakko has better defensive numbers and better offensive numbers.

 

[Alluckks]

Lundkvist and a protected first is all I’d offer. Maybe throw in a lower prospect if they retain

Rather use that ammo for someone with more term control and someone who excels at the center position, rather than can just play it if needed but is better suited on the wing

 

[tomobson]

Minus Strome I don't see this team changing much. We have cap issues so we need Chytil and Kakko and most of the other cheap talent ppl seem to want to trade. Any 2c upgrade is going to make things really tight and the rangers will lose too much depth for my liking. Maybe you can package Chytil and something minor for another young center but it'll be a gamble if that center will be any better than Chytil. Strome with a hip injury made the decision to move on from him even easier...and it was already pretty easy. I like Copp but his concussion history scares me and he'll be a little too expensive. Chytil's center game took a step in the right direction this past season. I think he finally gets a chance in the top six and runs away with it.

 

[Synergy27]

I really wish there was a way to query what people here think Kakko is worth on the trade market and to then compare that to reality.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Well, yeah, it is just common sense. If the Rangers wanted to move Kreider, but he didn't want to waive for a team, you can sure bet it doesn't take 20 years of experience in the industry to deduce that Columbus would claim him for free on waivers.

"Hey Columbus, do you want to trade for McDonagh?"
"No, we don't, but if he popped up on waivers we'd probably claim him"

It isn't circumventing, it is an effect of exercising your full NTC.

its the reason players want a NMC with that full NTC. Because it prevents that action.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Well, we lost Grier.


C'mon, do Drury a solid. Hertl for Nemeth and Georgiev.

 

[AirGut]

Well, we lost Grier.


C'mon, do Drury a solid. Hertl for Nemeth and Georgiev.

Grier will do very well in San Jose. Sucks losing someone like that but obviously we're doing just fine as an organization

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This is why I never understood Drury’s handling of the DeAngelo situation.
Don’t buy him out; waive him.
If he gets claimed, win, he’s off the books.
If he doesn’t get claimed; send him to Hartford.
If you’re worried about him poisoning the Wolfpack well. Than make him a healthy scratch.
Last year we had cap space to burn. Worst case scenario, if he hadn’t been claimed, you buy him out this year.
It’s just business.

 

[Anthony5967]

I don’t know about you guys but I’m interested to see how long the 2C mystery box lingers this summer. Does Drury pull the trigger by the Draft? Does he wait till Day 1 FA? Day 2? August? Pulls up in September and realizes Chytil is ready after visiting him Rocky Balboa style in the middle of nowhere in Czechia?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I don’t know about you guys but I’m interested to see how long the 2C mystery box lingers this summer. Does Drury pull the trigger by the Draft? Does he wait till Day 1 FA? Day 2? August? Pulls up in September and realizes Chytil is ready after visiting him Rocky Balboa style in the middle of nowhere in Czechia?

The last scenario gets my vote.