Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Anthony5967]

Theres no perfect player out there. No one wants JT Miller. No one wants Dylan Larkin. No one wants Scheifele or Dubois. The Rangers dont have picks to trade, but they have young players. It needs to happen at some point. The Rangers need to win while Igor is on this contract because in 3 years hes making 10mil+ or walking. It is what it is.

People don't get it, they really don't. I said this a day or two ago. No C suggestion is good enough. There's this unicorn idea out there that the Rangers fans want an EP40 type for Kravtsov+Lundkvist+1st and that it's that easy. What do we want? You came two wins from a final. They had Tampa in game three. They need a bonafide 2C. I want Scheifele, Miller, etc. You want to win with Shesterkin in net or watch this team never win and then cry in 15 years when they didn't go all in with him in net? Drury inked him to a dirt cheap deal. They came close. They have three more good chances. GO FOR IT.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Guys Igor has 3 more years I think theres other things to worry about in this sewing circle we call a message board.

 

[Machinehead]

Just sign Halak. I'm sure he'll be still playing and still elite in summer of 2024.

 

[bbny]

People don't get it, they really don't. I said this a day or two ago. No C suggestion is good enough. There's this unicorn idea out there that the Rangers fans want an EP40 type for Kravtsov+Lundkvist+1st and that it's that easy. What do we want? You came two wins from a final. They had Tampa in game three. They need a bonafide 2C. I want Scheifele, Miller, etc. You want to win with Shesterkin in net or watch this team never win and then cry in 15 years when they didn't go all in with him in net? Drury inked him to a dirt cheap deal. They came close. They have three more good chances. GO FOR IT.

The problem is “going for it” next year != Lafreneiere, Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov in the top 9. Too little production. So who are you trading?

 

[Lays]

Scheifele isn’t crazy because he’s already on a decent contract, and The Rangers could always add to get them to retain salary. He’s talented and would definitely make us better.

My biggest issue with Scheifele aside from the lack of defense is that he seems like a miserable jerk. We just got rid of some headaches and there’s some really synergy in the lockerroom. The last thing you want is a guy coming in and causing problems.

This board was watering their mouths at the thought of Eichel or JT Miller but Scheifele will somehow be a problem. His buddy Trouba is here to keep him in check, Gallant/Drury aren’t as much of pushovers as Maurice/Chevy

 

[Anthony5967]

We've gone from 2C to worrying about what the franchise goalie is going to make THREE years from now. My God.

 

[IDvsEGO]

This board was watering their mouths at the thought of Eichel or JT Miller but Scheifele will somehow be a problem. His buddy Trouba is here to keep him in check, Gallant/Drury aren’t as much of pushovers as Maurice/Chevy

I mean the locker room in Buffalo sucked because they were losing and Eichel was the entire team.
The locker room in WPG was the reason they were losing.
Now thats not to say Scheifele was the reason the locker room was terrible. We'll never actually know.

But if he wasnt. The resources required to pull him from WPG would be prohibitive.
He's got 2 more years at a reasonable cap hit, and it'll cost us at least 2-3 ELC/RFA level players, which eats into our depth.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The problem is “going for it” next year != Lafreneiere, Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov in the top 9. Too little production. So who are you trading?

Kakko Laf and Chytil stepped up huge in the playoffs. I have no issue with those 3 as my 2nd line and giving them enough time to see if they can produce.
Strengthen the third line and hopefully roll 4 more frequently so the top line isn't wiped when we start the playoffs.

 

[17futurecap]

Derek Boogaard scored 0 four years in a row

His one goal here was electric though.



f***ing drug addiction, so sad when his family said they wished he just stayed in Minnesota instead of going to New York.

 

[deathb4disco]

yes. Aging vet on potentially big contract, whos frequently injured and takes terrible penalties.

Not to mention cheap shot artist, only plays when he wants and slow as shit.

 

[Lays]

Corey Perry would be an underrated add though I imagine he stays in Tampa for league min

 

[Lays]

Because the assets going out for miller.
Miller is going to cost at least 1 of kakko/schneider, in addition to a first and possibly nils.

Thats 2 RFA players, for a guy making 5m. Its also a first round pick which is another elc down the road.
Yes theres no cap hit after this year. The problem is you've then lost 2-3 roster spots which have to be replaced by someone not on an ELC or in early RFA years.

Miller won’t cost that much. No one ever gets a package like that how many times did we freak out about losing Laf, Kakko, etc. for Eichel. No expiring player save for guys like McDavid, AM34, MacKinnon etc. returns Schneider/Kakko+1st+another blue chip piece. I remember when Ottawa thought they were getting Heiskanen for EK65 (still worked out well) or we thought we were getting Point/Serg for McDonagh

Mark Stone cost a 2nd round pick + a Nils level prospect in Brannstrom

 

[Thirty One]

Corey Perry would be an underrated add though I imagine he stays in Tampa for league min

He signed a two-year deal.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Corey Perry would be an underrated add though I imagine he stays in Tampa for league min

Pass. I don't want to lose in the Cup Final.

 

[Zynbanejad]

His one goal here was electric though.



f***ing drug addiction, so sad when his family said they wished he just stayed in Minnesota instead of going to New York.

I was at my senior prom when I heard the news I remember being gutted. I met him outside of the Garden once. Super nice guy.

 

[Lays]

We've gone from 2C to worrying about what the franchise goalie is going to make THREE years from now. My God.

I enjoy it. If that’s the worst “problem” the negative fans can come up with I’ll f***ing take it! 110 point season and ECF finish I’m still happy

Pass. I don't want to lose in the Cup Final.

ECF 2022
SCF 2023
Stanley Cup 2024

Great linear trajectory. I’ll take a cup finals loss next season idc. I’ve been saying for a while I think 2024 is our year

 

[Zynbanejad]

I feel like Copp will take a discount to sign here.

 

[Thirty One]

Miller won’t cost that much. No one ever gets a package like that how many times did we freak out about losing Laf, Kakko, etc. for Eichel. No expiring player save for guys like McDavid, AM34, MacKinnon etc. returns Schneider/Kakko+1st+another blue chip piece. I remember when Ottawa thought they were getting Heiskanen for EK65 (still worked out well) or we thought we were getting Point/Serg for McDonagh

Mark Stone cost a 2nd round pick + a Nils level prospect in Brannstrom

I think Brannstrom was seen a lot more highly than Nils now. Hasn't panned out for him yet, but Craig Button had him as the #11 prospect in the world around that time. Pronman had him 19.

 

[mike14]

We've gone from 2C to worrying about what the franchise goalie is going to make THREE years from now. My God.

"We" are able to focus on more than 1 thing (sometimes)...

 

[Lays]

I think Brannstrom was seen a lot more highly than Nils now. Hasn't panned out for him yet, but Craig Button had him as the #11 prospect in the world around that time. Pronman had him 19.

He definitely was but he wasn’t considered an “elite” defensive prospect just more of a potential top pair offensive defenseman. I honestly never understood the hype with Brannstrom and criticized that deal heavily. I’m just saying JT Miller won’t return Kakko/Schneider+1st+ more. My jaw would be on the floor if he returned a Schneider/Kakko piece at all from any team

 

[RGY]

I am not sure of the point trying to be made against Scheifele with regard to playoff performance. He has 31 points in 33 playoff games*. He is a positive possession player. He doesn’t have to be a 1C here, just a 2C. The way some are talking here, you would think he is making $9-$10 million per year and it would be a gross mismanagement of the cap because we wouldnt be getting proper value. No this guy is making $6.125 over the next two seasons. Fits our timelines for contention and new contracts needed for the young kids. Oh and then there is this incredible attention being brought to him being suspended 4 games — yes because there is a big pattern here prior to that suggesting this guy is a head case and make the same mistake again. Just an absolutely absurd position to take in all of this.

I am indifferent on acquiring Scheifele but the arguments being made against him are silly. He produces offensively, but umm his almost PPG production isn’t suitable by some ridiculous standard.

I would rather go for Coppe if he can be convinced to take a $5x4 or $5x5 contract. That extra $1.250 saved from not signing Scheifele could be reallocated to Motte and/or other depth pieces.

 

[Ola]

I am not sure of the point trying to be made against Scheifele with regard to playoff performance. He has 77 points in 82 playoff games. He is a positive possession player. He doesn’t have to be a 1C here, just a 2C. The way some are talking here, you would think he is making $9-$10 million per year and it would be a gross mismanagement of the cap because we wouldnt be getting proper value. No this guy is making $6.125 over the next two seasons. Fits our timelines for contention and new contracts needed for the young kids. Oh and then there is this incredible attention being brought to him being suspended 4 games — yes because there is a big pattern here prior to that suggesting this guy is a head case and make the same mistake again. Just an absolutely absurd position to take in all of this.

I am indifferent on acquiring Scheifele but the arguments being made against him are silly. He produces offensively, but umm his almost PPG production isn’t suitable by some ridiculous standard.

I would rather go for Coppe if he can be convinced to take a $5x4 or $5x5 contract. That extra $1.250 saved from not signing Scheifele could be reallocated to Motte and/or other depth pieces.

Why is it silly?? Players like him has more or less been total non-factors deeper in the POs the last years.

Zibanejad was a non-factor against Tampa 5 on 5. Why? Cirelli skated him into the ground.

You need speed at center ice. Arguing that someone like Schleife would be a game changer for us if we want to go all the way in the POs is IMO very silly given what we have seen the last years. Tampa got as far as they did despite being worn out from playing late two years in a row, losing a ton of players and being without Point.

I think it’s mind boggling that we are having this discussion. We could trade for all of Schleife, Monahan, Eichel and Ryan Johansen and experience them getting zero 5 on 5 pts against Tampa in a PO series and still keep arguing for how it’s these type of players we need. Mind boggling.

And sure it’s Tampa now. But look at Columbus future lineup at center. They look scary there. NJ will have Hughes and Hirscher. NYI have Barzal. Carolina have Aho.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

The NHL's hard cap is complete f***ing tits. We just came out of a rebuild and we're already in a position where improving is like navigating landmines.

That's why despite the NHL's "parity" meme, it's always the same teams. If you're not already there, you can't get there.

I'm not against having a salary cap, but the salary cap should be there to prevent teams from buying all-star rosters. The NHL's cap is more like "you have more than two good players??? You f***ing idiot!!"

Twice on the main boards over the years I proposed a take on the salary cap where any players you draft with your own draft choices (not ones obtained in trades) would be salary exempt.
I believe it would protect fans from shortsighted G.M.’s that only care about winning at all cost to keep their jobs and by making draft picks too valuable to throw away at the TDL.
I also believe that it would keep rosters together and result in a even more watchable game.
Teams that don’t already, would commit more resources to develop the talent in their system because of the return it would bring.
Lastly UFA’s can receive big paydays by either staying with their current club or signing on with a new team without eroding the role players salaries or forcing their current or new team to jettison roster players to accommodate the UFAs salary.

 

[bbny]

Kakko Laf and Chytil stepped up huge in the playoffs. I have no issue with those 3 as my 2nd line and giving them enough time to see if they can produce.
Strengthen the third line and hopefully roll 4 more frequently so the top line isn't wiped when we start the playoffs.

That’s fine, but it’s not “going for it”. They aren’t replacing Strome/Copp/Vatrano production next season.

 

[RGY]

Why is it silly?? Players like him has more or less been total non-factors deeper in the POs the last years.

Zibanejad was a non-factor against Tampa 5 on 5. Why? Cirelli skated him into the ground.

You need speed at center ice. Arguing that someone like Schleife would be a game changer for us if we want to go all the way in the POs is IMO very silly given what we have seen the last years. Tampa got as far as they did despite being worn out from playing late two years in a row, losing a ton of players and being without Point.

I think it’s mind boggling that we are having this discussion. We could trade for all of Schleife, Monahan, Eichel and Ryan Johansen and experience them getting zero 5 on 5 pts against Tampa in a PO series and still keep arguing for how it’s these type of players we need. Mind boggling.

And sure it’s Tampa now. But look at Columbus future lineup at center. They look scary there. NJ will have Hughes and Hirscher. NYI have Barzal. Carolina have Aho.

It is f***ing silly. Players like him? Players that put up a PPG pace in the playoffs? He has been involved in one “deep” run in the playoffs in 2018. He had 4 points in 6 games against Vegas in the WCF. He had 11 points in 7 games the round before that against Nashville, which included 2 goals in the game 7 clincher to advance. And yes one was an ENG, but that still counts and he scored a goal late in the 2nd period of that game when it was 2-1. So to me this all sounds like a load of shit from the camp that is advocating against. Sounds like…at $6.125 AAV over only 2 more years…that entertaining him as the 2C is not this outrageously burdensome concept. Continue to be “mind boggled” all you want over this perception that Scheifele is some terrible skater. We just went to the ECF with Strome as the 2C and Scheifele is a better player AINEC.

I think its mind boggling to so lazily lump players together to drive some narrative that is strictly opinion generated. Oh and Scheifele has produced at a higher clip than Monahan and RyJo in the playoffs.

The best part of your BS post is finishing it off by pointing to other East teams Center depth, three of which didnt make the playoffs and one team who the Rangers beat in 7 games. Yeah, I am terrified of the Devils organization. Terrified of the aging Islanders with no farm system. Terrified of CBJ who went all in one year and is now trying to change course and restock everything, which they are doing, but will not be a serious threat for at least 2-3 years. At least.

As I said I am indifferent on Scheifele. I would by no means be upset if he was acquired. But for me it would come down to the cost to acquire. As I said I prefer Copp, Re-signing Motte, and adding another 4th line bargain bin vet who can skate and wreak havoc on the forecheck.