Please God, I swear I’ll be more patient finding a cheap young awesome 2C, just please don’t sign Strome, thank you Lord
Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I
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Strome has and always will scream passive mediocrity. Even when he “tries” to play a little more physical with an “edge” he looks silly doing it. Its not in his DNA really. He is a perimeter type player, who is a one-way player. He is terrible defensively, terrible on the dot, and just a buffoon at times with the needless penalties he takes. He is also a negative influence on Panarin. Panarin is always going to be an east-west player because of the style and pace he likes to play at, but man do those cross ice passes go to another level when Strome is on the ice.
Please, please be done with Strome. You will not win with him. We have not won with him.
Please, please be done with Strome. You will not win with him. We have not won with him.
This team was 2 wins away from a cup appearance, I dont think they need to do too much here. The biggest thing for this team right now is the further evolution of the young players. We finished the year with Copp, Strome and Vatrano in the top 6. Three spots, entirely possible that none will be back. Give the keys over to the young dudes. They need to up their game this coming season and fill these roles. We gave up a 1st, a 2nd, plus Barron and may not retain Copp, I'm a bit hesitant to then give up even more assets for a short term solution. You have Chytil, give the guy a shot. Him becoming a 2C shuts down a bunch of questions. Copp is good insurance, if you can't get him on a friendly deal look toward free agency.
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If there are no plans in place for a given UFA, their negotiating rights need to be gonezo before free agency, even if it is for as little as a conditional pick.
Dependent on who's left on the board... I still think you gotta package Nils for a late first. Buys you some time to see what you have with Chytil and give yourself a chance to draft a talented center. There's a few names here where if you see a Nazar or McGroarty in the 20s you have to be all over that.
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Absolutely. They got Bennett at a discount (based on perceived ceiling), and he added a lot to their lineup almost immediately and took a next step. They would make something else happen before he's the one to move. With Lundell developing, and Barkov and Bennett already established...that's a hell of a lot of C depth. Teams have shown consistently that strong center depth can go a long way.
I’ll maintain that the “get” from Florida needs to be Lundell.
The “give” is not going to be cheap though.
Florida is in win now mode and they need playoff performers.
The three Rangers that are proven playoff Warrior’s and have movable contracts are:
Alexis Lafrenier
Ryan Lindgren
Barclay Goodrow
The first one on the list is too valuable.
Lindgren not sure if that’s fair value.
The last, has 5 years of term left.
If I remember, Anton Lundell was a healthy scratch for one game and in the other 9 playoff games that the Panthers were in this year he had only one goal and 0 assists.
The “give” is not going to be cheap though.
Florida is in win now mode and they need playoff performers.
The three Rangers that are proven playoff Warrior’s and have movable contracts are:
Alexis Lafrenier
Ryan Lindgren
Barclay Goodrow
The first one on the list is too valuable.
Lindgren not sure if that’s fair value.
The last, has 5 years of term left.
If I remember, Anton Lundell was a healthy scratch for one game and in the other 9 playoff games that the Panthers were in this year he had only one goal and 0 assists.
Rangers are not moving Lindgren, Lafy or Goodrow anytime soon.
maybe something like Kakko, Lundkvist for Lundell
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Did anyone confirm whether or not Ryan Strome needs surgery? I haven't seen anything definitive yet.
If he does need surgery is he going to pull a Kucherov and have the surgery done the day before the regular season starts?
I absolutely despise Strome as a player and am miserable at the thought of watching him and Panarin together in the playoffs next season but if the asking price for Copp is too high and the asking price for centers via trade is too high I could unfortunately see Drury re-signing Strome just because he's there, he's familiar, he makes Panarin happy when skies are gray and he's cheaper than Copp.
If he does need surgery is he going to pull a Kucherov and have the surgery done the day before the regular season starts?
I absolutely despise Strome as a player and am miserable at the thought of watching him and Panarin together in the playoffs next season but if the asking price for Copp is too high and the asking price for centers via trade is too high I could unfortunately see Drury re-signing Strome just because he's there, he's familiar, he makes Panarin happy when skies are gray and he's cheaper than Copp.
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not gonna lie, be dissapointed if strome is with us next year.
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Cannot think of a better fit on this team than Sam Bennett moving forward in terms of style of play, term and cap hit. It’s a unique situation I’d probably be willing to over pay to make it happen but I doubt Florida is willing to move him.
His cap hit coming in a million lower than Copp’s potential deal opens the door for retaining other players.
I played with the #s on CapFriendly and this scenario works with roughly 1.5m cap space to spare, which with some proper management/paper management though out the season can get to ~ 7.5-8m in deadline cap space needed to plug holes
Trades:
Nemeth + a 5th for a 7th or something idfk just get that bum out of here and clear 2.5m
Georgiev’s RFA rights to Edmonton for a 3rd round pick
Trade Hajek and Gauthier for late round picks to recoup some assets
Nils Lundkvist and a 2nd round pick (whichever WPG doesn’t choose of ours) for Sam Bennett
Free Agency:
Kaapo Kakko - 2 years, 2.5m
Tyler Motte - 3 years, 2m
Nick Cousins - 2 years, 1.75m
Justin Braun/Brendan Smith - 1 year, 950k
Charlie Lindgren - 2 years, 850k
Lineup
Chris Kreider - Mika Zibanejad - Alexis Lafreneire
Artemi Panarin - Sam Bennett - Kaapo Kakko
Sammy Blais - Filip Chytil - Vitali Kravtsov
Tyler Motte - Nick Cousins - Barclay Goodrow
Extras: Ryan Reaves, Dryden Hunt
Call ups: Jonny Brodzinski, Gustav Rydahl, Bobby Trivigno
Ryan Lindgren - Adam Fox
K’Andre Miller - Jacob Trouba
Zac Jones - Braden Schneider
Extra: Justin Braun
Call ups: Matthew Robertson (expecting another 2 way contract to be had here in the mold of Tinordi/Bitetto)
Igor Shesterkin
Charlie Lindgren
Think this is a more flexible forward group that starts the season much deeper than last year and has the ability to play a more north south game when checking is tight.
His cap hit coming in a million lower than Copp’s potential deal opens the door for retaining other players.
I played with the #s on CapFriendly and this scenario works with roughly 1.5m cap space to spare, which with some proper management/paper management though out the season can get to ~ 7.5-8m in deadline cap space needed to plug holes
Trades:
Nemeth + a 5th for a 7th or something idfk just get that bum out of here and clear 2.5m
Georgiev’s RFA rights to Edmonton for a 3rd round pick
Trade Hajek and Gauthier for late round picks to recoup some assets
Nils Lundkvist and a 2nd round pick (whichever WPG doesn’t choose of ours) for Sam Bennett
Free Agency:
Kaapo Kakko - 2 years, 2.5m
Tyler Motte - 3 years, 2m
Nick Cousins - 2 years, 1.75m
Justin Braun/Brendan Smith - 1 year, 950k
Charlie Lindgren - 2 years, 850k
Lineup
Chris Kreider - Mika Zibanejad - Alexis Lafreneire
Artemi Panarin - Sam Bennett - Kaapo Kakko
Sammy Blais - Filip Chytil - Vitali Kravtsov
Tyler Motte - Nick Cousins - Barclay Goodrow
Extras: Ryan Reaves, Dryden Hunt
Call ups: Jonny Brodzinski, Gustav Rydahl, Bobby Trivigno
Ryan Lindgren - Adam Fox
K’Andre Miller - Jacob Trouba
Zac Jones - Braden Schneider
Extra: Justin Braun
Call ups: Matthew Robertson (expecting another 2 way contract to be had here in the mold of Tinordi/Bitetto)
Igor Shesterkin
Charlie Lindgren
Think this is a more flexible forward group that starts the season much deeper than last year and has the ability to play a more north south game when checking is tight.
We have to agree to disagree.
But from your perspective it’s “opinion” generated. From my POV it’s beyond that. Zibanejad was not close to being a factor 5 on 5 against Tampa. In fact, Zibanejad has not really been close to being a big positive factor 5 on 5 against the best lines in the East, ever. Right? Why is that? A team can push the pace and force a shift to become about chasing the puck up and down the ice. In that environment, the team that has the most speed at center ice comes out on top. Like this can’t really be up for debate, can it?
Schleife is just more of the same as Zibanejad, but he is even a worse skater. That can’t really be up for debate either, right?
We need to get someone who can match those lines that Ziba can’t. It can’t really be questioned that Schleife is another one they would eat up like candy, can it??
Does Sam Bennet help us against a team like Tampa in the POs? He had 0+0 in 4 games against them this spring. He matched up well in terms of possession numbers, but also matched up against Nic Paul's line which doesn't have the same speed as the other lines Tampa have.
Its all about balance. From my POV, you would like a real puck hog at RW for a line with Panarin-Bennet to be able to give us a clear edge against lines centered by Cirelli/Point/the Perfection Line/Aho's line/Barzal's line and so forth.
I know many thing I am exaggerating this point a ton. I could be wrong, but if we keep building the team the "wrong" way -- I just see an overwhelming risk that we will stand there a year from now after another PO exist where we did not have one single line that did well 5 on 5 against the better teams in the East. How can you compete in the POs if you don't have one single line that can give you an edge against other team's lines that have run over us for years?
Its all about balance. From my POV, you would like a real puck hog at RW for a line with Panarin-Bennet to be able to give us a clear edge against lines centered by Cirelli/Point/the Perfection Line/Aho's line/Barzal's line and so forth.
I know many thing I am exaggerating this point a ton. I could be wrong, but if we keep building the team the "wrong" way -- I just see an overwhelming risk that we will stand there a year from now after another PO exist where we did not have one single line that did well 5 on 5 against the better teams in the East. How can you compete in the POs if you don't have one single line that can give you an edge against other team's lines that have run over us for years?
Blais is a RW and Lafy is a left. I would switch those. I think Rangers signed Goodrow here to be a center. I’d flip Cousins and Goodrow although both can swap depending where the faceoffs are and whatnot
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All of these proposals to sign guys to extensions. I just don’t see how it’s going to happen.
It takes two to sign a bridge deal. You want to sign Laf to a 2 year $3M deal then a 7x$9M or do you want him locked up 6 years $5M per?
Miller and Lafreniere will probably be around $12M in cap space next year. Chytil is RFA. He’ll want a raise. Kakko is RFA right now. Jones is RFA. You want to sign PLD, Motte, Copp. There’s no money. Cheap vets on 1 year deals and let the kids step up into prominent roles.
It takes two to sign a bridge deal. You want to sign Laf to a 2 year $3M deal then a 7x$9M or do you want him locked up 6 years $5M per?
Miller and Lafreniere will probably be around $12M in cap space next year. Chytil is RFA. He’ll want a raise. Kakko is RFA right now. Jones is RFA. You want to sign PLD, Motte, Copp. There’s no money. Cheap vets on 1 year deals and let the kids step up into prominent roles.
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This is an unrealistic expectation. Only a small percentage of pending UFAs have their rights traded. Other teams have to be willing to trade to obtain their rights. If we get picks for any of them, consider it a bonus, but I'm not expecting any.
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Again, why does this C have to be on an ELC and not just “cheap”? By limiting ourselves to an ELC player, you run into both the other organization likely not be willing to move him, but also having to deal with “development”.
Equally as hard, but the correct approach in my opinion, it to just find competent Cs to complement our wingers. This team will live and die on the wing, it’s just how the dice rolled for us.
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The Rangers need a Miller, Dubois type C down the middle, a Bennett if he were to ever become available, a player that is very good 200-feet and can get his nose dirty and is a tireless worker. This is if Panarin is going to continue to play his style. He needs space opened up. With Strome crippled and Copp’s issues, who knows what was going on with him, that line suffered greatly. Anyways, they need Kakko to come back to camp with added muscle, refined skating, more speed, more confidence and to stick him with Panarin.
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I could see Florida eating some of Hornqvist's salary and sending us Hornqvist and Gudas for Nemeth, Goat and Hajek. Florida needs cheap bodies to fill out their roster and they have 4 RD signed and only 1 LD. (Not counting Sjalin yet since he hasn't played in NA)
Taking some of these contracts fills out their roster for little cap impact and they can be moved for upgrades during the season once Cap space has accrued. If they plan on moving Bob, which is unlikely, they will need all the picks they can muster and prospects to get him moved. Rangers get a vet on D for the same cap as Nemeth, but one less year, so that's good, and a tough vet winger for the 3rd line.
If they want to keep Hornqvist, Nemeth and Goat/Hajek for Gudas is fine with me as well. Again, they need LD and the cap is a push for them.
Taking some of these contracts fills out their roster for little cap impact and they can be moved for upgrades during the season once Cap space has accrued. If they plan on moving Bob, which is unlikely, they will need all the picks they can muster and prospects to get him moved. Rangers get a vet on D for the same cap as Nemeth, but one less year, so that's good, and a tough vet winger for the 3rd line.
If they want to keep Hornqvist, Nemeth and Goat/Hajek for Gudas is fine with me as well. Again, they need LD and the cap is a push for them.
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He wants one under the age of 23 and on an ELC. Easier said than done.
Florida may have to use Lundell to get out of Bobrovsky's contract.
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so if you have a good team you want to roll the dice that the crappy goalie you have will get hot?
tampa just won two cups with elite goaltending and almost a third. sure you can point to keumper and how bad he was but i think that also shows how close they were to losing bc of him.
most teams in the league have average goalies at best, only a handful of teams have the elite guys so just by numbers and odds the teams with average goaltending will win more often, but is it a coincidences that the two best goalies in the league ended up in the final 4 this year? I dont think so, just like it isnt coincidence that henke dragged some pretty bad teams into legit playoff runs.
If someone is going to point to the ~66% of the league that has average goalies and say "see that group won more cups than the ~10% of the league with elite goalies" then I will say that is a matter of statistical probabilities where you are putting 3-5 teams up against the rest of the league. I will take my chances with the elite goalie any day. I dont want to pay the elite goalie an 8 year deal where half of those years are on a downturn, but for his peak years and even into the end of his prime I am fine paying him.
Aside from that, looking at a kid in junior as the replacement for your mid 20s stud and top two goalie league wide in three years is plain stupid. There is always a transitional period for a young goalie to take over a job, and that wouldnt be happening while igor is here in the last year of his sweetheart contract, so then four years from now you would be signing an old vet to play for a year as the starter while garand is backing up for a year and then the next year transitioning to the starter IF everything goes perfect. So now you've thrown a year or two away in the middle of the run you are hoping to make with this young group of kids in their prime bc you dont want to pay a top three goalie a contract and you went with an anti niemi type as your starter hoping he would get hot and not cost your team a playoff win in the prime years of fox, miller, laf, kakko, and others. "Better luck next year boys, let's hope our new Brayden Holtby has a 900sp next playoffs."
How many teams in a competition window have turned to a young goalie and gotten the desired results with a long playoff win right away? Cam Ward? Matt Murray? I will take my chances with igor so long as there is a balance of aav vs term. no Carey Price contract with full term and peak aav. Igor, you get 8 years the aav comes down. You want the big aav then we are doing 5 years on the deal.
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