Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Barnaby]

I don’t think having Motte at 1.75-2 will prevent the rangers from signing a bargain contract vet at around $900k. I think they can bring Motte back and still grab a bottom 6 guy on one of those bargain deals. And if Motte does spend some time on the IR, then you call up a guy like Cuylle or Pajuniemi. They can get by if need be imo. This isn’t some crippling contract.

Like it or not (and it should be a resounding “like it”) this team making it to the ECF gave them a taste. The window is open now. It would be the wrong message and a disservice to this group, which is dominated by a ton of youth, to not go ice a competitive team with a plan to go deep again. The guys know Motte. They know what he brings. It would behoove them to keep that guy so long as he does not price himself out.

I’d like to keep Motte around, but the money gets tight. We’ll have to see what the numbers end up at and what else they want to do. You can’t keep everyone, but hopefully he stays. However if it’s upgrading C or not then that’s clearly more important.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why are people mentioning Paul Stastny like he's an option for our 2c? Its not the 2000's anymore, he's atleast 10 years past his prime, and getting slower. I am totally baffled how anyone could watch him the last couple years and hope he replaces Strome or Copp.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Why are people mentioning Paul Stastny like he's an option for our 2c? Its not the 2000's anymore, he's atleast 10 years past his prime, and getting slower. I am totally baffled how anyone could watch him the last couple years and hope he replaces Strome or Copp.

They're talking about Peter

 

[Barnaby]

Rangers trade Georgiev Nemeth to Oilers
Oilers trade McLeod Kassian to Rangers

Rangers get a guy who can play in the top 9 and has a bit of nastiness in him. Rangers dump Nemeth . Rangers get some depth at center in McLeod. the brother rivalary would be fun with Devils vs Rangers. Oilers get their goalie.

I don’t think Georgiev has any value. He’ll go unqualified and go sign somewhere. His QO is too much for what he brings.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I don’t think Georgiev has any value. He’ll go unqualified and go sign somewhere. His QO is too much for what he brings.

i hope they can get something for him. Even if a 5th round pick

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Geo for Puju swap if the Rangers are one of the teams in on him. It's clear the Oilers dont really value the player.

Its one thing to wait for geo to be unqualified, its another thing to wait for him to be unqualified and to have him sign with you. Geo will have options.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Rangers fan need to avoid the shiny new toy syndrome with Puljujarvi. Where do you put him? It's the same people who want to resign Motte/play Kravstov/resign Copp etc.

There are only so many spots and so much money. It's fine to look into him but then Hunt or Reaves needs to go the other way. He'd be fine in a Sjostrom type role if he accepts it.

Can't have it all with the cap and developing young players. One has to outweigh the other especially if you want to maximize what Kaako/Laf/Krav can do, along with finding a spot for Cullye and perhaps Othmann.

i hope they can get something for him. Even if a 5th round pick

This goes with Mollie's article today. The more hope picks=more lottery tickets. You pick a guy from the NCAA or Europe who has one or two really good skills, and let them work out the warts for 2-3 years.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Geo for Puju swap if the Rangers are one of the teams in on him. It's clear the Oilers dont really value the player.

Its one thing to wait for geo to be unqualified, its another thing to wait for him to be unqualified and to have him sign with you. Geo will have options.

This trade is a good solid hockey move and benefits both teams.

Really curious now that Grier is heading to San Jose if him and Drury look into some deals perhaps for Kaakonnen.

Personally I'm still on team Charlie Lindgren for the backup, and add Roy or Kolesar or both for center depth, and give the kids a bigger role.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Carpenter and Haula would improve this team. Both played for Gallant.

You say that, but then you'd curse the day they were born come playoff time. Carpenter wouldn't even take that long...he totally sucks.

 

[bleedblue94]

Jp is so good, is the next nuke, but the return for him will be "marginal?"

Ken Holland needs the hfnyr board to go to work for him and convince everyone else JP is better than he is to get that return up to "sorta okay." I swear we advocate more for players on other teams than we do for our own guys.

Grass is not always greener...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Not to be that guy but how much is Puljujarvi want for his next deal? Can the Rangers actually afford him?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I do play sports (hockey) but nah I was the popular class clown
I could 100% beat Kakko in a fight, but the weight is the only issue. I'd have to make sure it remains a stand up boxing match, if he gets me on the ground it's indeed over

Lmfao, we're not even at the draft yet and we're already getting this type of offseason gold.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Jp is so good, is the next nuke, but the return for him will be "marginal?"

Ken Holland needs the hfnyr board to go to work for him and convince everyone else JP is better than he is to get that return up to "sorta okay." I swear we advocate more for players on other teams than we do for our own guys.

Grass is not always greener...

Nichushkin was once bought out by Dallas.

Sometimes guys need to be moved in order to take a step. We've seen it happen here (Brassard, Zib) and happen after we move guys (Miller.)

 

[bleedblue94]

Would you believe that same person was a GM of the year finalist

Would you also believe this board overwhelming applauded that contract and signing last summer while other of us were cautioning against it?

 

[egelband]

David Quinn could be the next head coach of the Sharks. Mike Grier is a BU guy. Jack Parker. Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman discussed Quinn to SJ today.

Heard that too. I think Quinn will be better next time around. Hopefully for him, at least. Think he’ll be less of a control freak. Assuming the reports on his Rangers tenure are true, he’ll need to adjust. And no reason to think he can’t do it.

 

[n8]

Rangers trade Georgiev Nemeth to Oilers
Oilers trade McLeod Kassian to Rangers

Rangers get a guy who can play in the top 9 and has a bit of nastiness in him. Rangers dump Nemeth . Rangers get some depth at center in McLeod. the brother rivalary would be fun with Devils vs Rangers. Oilers get their goalie.

so the price of taking on that salary (I am assuming we would not get McLeod if Edmonton retained any salary) is a big young center? That could work in theory except you are throwing more salary Edmonton's way so that doesn't really get them anything unless Georgiev miraculously solves their goaltending issues. That's a lot of faith.

I'm not even sure the Rangers can afford absorb all that cap long term. 1st year with -Nemeth can work but after that, Kassian is eating up a lot of cap.

 

[bleedblue94]

Nichushkin was once bought out by Dallas.

Sometimes guys need to be moved in order to take a step. We've seen it happen here (Brassard, Zib) and happen after we move guys (Miller.)

He was bought out bc he was God awful the previous year in Dallas and had nowhere else to go there. That is completely different than JP's situation.

Jp played this season with LD and mcd regularly and people in this thread are literally claiming he made mcd and LD better when he played on their lines bc the stats say they were better with him than without him. You can't have an argument both ways and claim he's going to be better after he's moved out of EDM AND also claim he was so good he elevated 2 of the top 5 players in the world while on their line.

Common sense says if jp elevated or even complimented mcd or LD half as well as people in here claim then Holland wouldnt be looking to trade him for a "marginal" return, why would he downgrade his roster? And don't give me this bc he requested a trade nonsense, tarasenko chychurn and debrusk all just played multiple seasons with trade requests.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

i hope they can get something for him. Even if a 5th round pick

That would literally be expecting a team to give us a 5th round pick

 

[I Eat Crow]

I have no doubt the Rangers are one of the teams in on Pulujaarvi. Remember the Lias Andersson rumors? The Rangers liked the player his draft year as well. Turning Georgiev into an asset instead of letting him walk for nothing would be a huge win.

I wouldn't be concerned about his contract. 2 years, $2 million per is where I think he'll come in. That would mean not bringing Motte back but if Pulujaarvi is on the team, a player that would have otherwise played there like Blais or Goodrow backfills to the 4th line. The team is deeper and better, but the question becomes who kills penalties.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

i hope they can get something for him. Even if a 5th round pick

That would literally be expecting a team to give us a 5th round pick

 

[Avery16]

Would you also believe this board overwhelming applauded that contract and signing last summer while other of us were cautioning against it?

Checks out

 

[RangersFan1994]

Would you also believe this board overwhelming applauded that contract and signing last summer while other of us were cautioning against it?

he wasnt good on the Avs Red Wings or Stars? How did Rangers scout think he was any good?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I have no doubt the Rangers are one of the teams in on Pulujaarvi. Remember the Lias Andersson rumors? The Rangers liked the player his draft year as well. Turning Georgiev into an asset instead of letting him walk for nothing would be a huge win.

I wouldn't be concerned about his contract. 2 years, $2 million per is where I think he'll come in. That would mean not bringing Motte back but if Pulujaarvi is on the team, a player that would have otherwise played there like Blais or Goodrow backfills to the 4th line. The team is deeper and better, but the question becomes who kills penalties.

Pulju has speed. Maybe the Rangers can develop him into a Sjostrom type. For those too young or forgot about Frederik Sjostrom, he was a high draft pick in Arizona that could skate really well and hold onto the puck but couldn't score. He was in the Al Montoya trade and became a very valuable 4th liner, PKer, and occasional shoot out specialist for a few years on the Rangers.

If Motte isn't brought back the hope is his replacement and some of the young guys like a Cullye fill that role. Right now it's Zib/Kreider/Goodrow. Kaako has done it a little. Maybe Laf gets some additional PK responsibilities too. Someone like a Rafl or bargain bin UFA signing will have to do it.

Maybe Drury can call up Grier and bring in Bonino or Nieto. San Jose needs to shed cap badly.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He was bought out bc he was God awful the previous year in Dallas and had nowhere else to go there. That is completely different than JP's situation.

Jp played this season with LD and mcd regularly and people in this thread are literally claiming he made mcd and LD better when he played on their lines bc the stats say they were better with him than without him. You can't have an argument both ways and claim he's going to be better after he's moved out of EDM AND also claim he was so good he elevated 2 of the top 5 players in the world while on their line.

Common sense says if jp elevated or even complimented mcd or LD half as well as people in here claim then Holland wouldnt be looking to trade him for a "marginal" return, why would he downgrade his roster? And don't give me this bc he requested a trade nonsense, tarasenko chychurn and debrusk all just played multiple seasons with trade requests.

In the sense that he wasn't bought out? Yeah you're right.

In the sense that a team is probably making a mistake by giving away a player that they undervalue? I don't think so.

Holland isn't exactly infallible, so going the appeal to authority route there doesn't really hold much water (he traded for Duncan Keith who defends the rush about as well as I do and signed Nurse to that insane deal.)

There are a ton of things that JP does very well that are independent of McD and LD. They're all things that we could use and collectively suck at. If/when hes moved, that impact will be felt in Edmonton.

It's one thing if the Rangers got him expecting him to live up to his pre draft expectations. That would be a mistake (much like getting Evan Rodrigues to play 2C.)

If you add him with the mentality that you're going to allow him to play to his strengths and compliment what is already here, he can and most likely would be very useful . Three things we should be looking for are to get bigger, faster and better defensively, he checks ALL of those boxes.

 

[bleedblue94]

he wasnt good on the Avs Red Wings or Stars? How did Rangers scout think he was any good?

He was awful last postseason for the avs and everyone here was salivating when they heard of the signing. Myself and a small group were openly against it but understood the why if it was to help Nils. That failed on both prongs, Nils didn't cut it in the NHL and lost his spot to Schneider and nemeth helped this team more by not dressing. What a disaster.