Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[CLW]

I have one objection here, McDavid plays a very different style than Panarin does. I am not saying that this per default makes your point invalid, but I also think Pulju would make sense with Panarin (albeit our wing logjam makes me more sceptical).

McDavid and Leo are like Seguin and Benn in Dallas and also closer to Ziba and Kreider in how they approach the game with the puck. It’s about speed, they love putting pucks in areas behind the Ds and are able to get to those areas faster than the defenders. Making “area passes” is a term used a lot with these guys. Ultimately, they just push the pace to an extreme.

Panarin is the complete opposite. He is the classic type that lives on his ability to slow the pace down and change the tempo. This style just fits Pulju better.

Pulju is basically a super-Blackwell. Panarin would love to feed of his general chaos-making and board work imo.

 

[bleedblue94]

I have one objection here, McDavid plays a very different style than Panarin does. I am not saying that this per default makes your point invalid, but I also think Pulju would make sense with Panarin (albeit our wing logjam makes me more sceptical).

McDavid and Leo are like Seguin and Benn in Dallas and also closer to Ziba and Kreider in how they approach the game with the puck. It’s about speed, they love putting pucks in areas behind the Ds and are able to get to those areas faster than the defenders. Making “area passes” is a term used a lot with these guys. Ultimately, they just push the pace to an extreme.

Panarin is the complete opposite. He is the classic type that lives on his ability to slow the pace down and change the tempo. This style just fits Pulju better.

And to your point, JP is not a slow the game down and make plays kind of player. He doesn't have the IQ to play that way. In that way he is a winger version of chytil. We need players with higher IQ, not lesser hockey IQ players.

Also I highly doubt this org comes into next season with a top 9 rw of kakko kravtsov and jp. I would assume they would want at least rw in that group to be a more vet player. There's too much uncertainty with those three as your top 9 rw depth.

 

[bbny]

So back to the Tyler Motte conversation again, where people think it's wise to pay him $2M a season. Why exactly, again?

 

[Off Sides]

In season trades are nearly impossible with a flat cap and no one having cap space.

Colin white has done nothing to justify a top 9 role on this team with where we are hoping to go this year. He would be battling for a 3rd line spot and hopefully would end up on the 4th line as insurance for injuries. I trust white as much as I trust blais to stay healthy, and I much prefer blais. White literally gives nothing to this top 9 that is unique besides being a shiney new toy. He's not good on faceoffs, isn't terribly productive offensively, and isn't a defensive stud. He's just another middling player trying to find a role in the NHL.

Strome, Goodrow, Coleman, Paul, etc were also middling players trying to find their roles.

Not trying to say White will find his role, yet I do think the Rangers should be looking for value. White, etc, may or may not represent that, but the general idea of trying to find players who could perform above what they are currently seen as, above whatever their cap hit may be, seems like a pretty good idea.

 

[Gr8CornHolio]

Pulju is basically a super-Blackwell. Panarin would love to feed of his general chaos-making and board work imo.

Doesn’t this sound a lot like a wing we already have who’s a bit younger

 

[bleedblue94]

So back to the Tyler Motte conversation again, where people think it's wise to pay him $2M a season. Why exactly, again?

Not sure anyone says it's wise, just think there is an argument about what it will actually cost based on what he turned down in Vancouver prior to the trade and the reports that nyr is trying to resign him

 

[EdJovanovski]

Doesn’t this sound a lot like a wing we already have who’s a bit younger

Except Puljujarvi is a fast skater, doesn't get exhausted 15sec into his shifts, knows how to shoot, and doesn't have the confidence of an awkward nerd at prom

 

[RGY]

So back to the Tyler Motte conversation again, where people think it's wise to pay him $2M a season. Why exactly, again?

He is certainly worth more than what Cogliano got. A younger, better, more impactful player for the bottom 6. I can see Motte getting $2 x 3-4 years. You lock in a quality 4th liner. Only 26 years old right now. Of course you hope he signs for $1.75-$1.95 but if it goes to $2 even, I am not losing sleep over that.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I strongly question if you've actually watched him play much or if you're primarily going off of numbers. We've had this conversation many times or certain players have great analytics and then they get traded in reality sets in. Part of the reason is great analytics is some of the guys that he plays with are such puck possession players and play drivers.

Panarin doesn't want to play with certain players bc they kill his plays, LD and mcd don't want to play with jp bc he kills plays offensively, but bread is going to work well with him?

Panarin also loves playing with Strome for some un godly reason. Strome kills offense, defense, momentum, and everything in between on a regular basis.

Puljujarvi would also be an upgrade to what Panarin had most of the season on the opposite wing. He had Hunt there a lot. He also had a far better center than Strome (Copp) playing on the wing because... no logical reason. Copp should have been centering Panarin and they should have had someone like Kakko on their other wing.

I can't wait for Strome to go away and replace him with players that bring something of substance or potential.

 

[Barnaby]

Would Chytil+Lundkvist be close to getting it done?

I can’t imagine it would be.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Except Puljujarvi is a fast skater, doesn't get exhausted 15sec into his shifts, knows how to shoot, and doesn't have the confidence of an awkward nerd at prom

He's also bolted back home before like someone else we know.

 

[NYR Viper]

He is certainly worth more than what Cogliano got. A younger, better, more impactful player for the bottom 6. I can see Motte getting $2 x 3-4 years. You lock in a quality 4th liner. Only 26 years old right now. Of course you hope he signs for $1.75-$1.95 but if it goes to $2 even, I am not losing sleep over that.

I think my ceiling would be either $1.75m x 5 years or $1.9m for 3 years. I think both are more than reasonable. Hopefully he agrees…

 

[bleedblue94]

Panarin also loves playing with Strome for some un godly reason. Strome kills offense, defense, momentum, and everything in between on a regular basis.

Puljujarvi would also be an upgrade to what Panarin had most of the season on the opposite wing. He had Hunt there a lot. He also had a far better center than Strome (Copp) playing on the wing because... no logical reason.

I can't wait for Strome to go away and replace him with players that bring something of substance or potential.

Panarin loves playing with strome bc stromes offensive IQ was miles ahead of basically anyone else we had to play with. He is able to play the give and go east west game panarin loves. Panarin loves pond hockey type hockey and strome was the perfect part we for that The issue with strome is basically everything else.

 

[Barnaby]

He is certainly worth more than what Cogliano got. A younger, better, more impactful player for the bottom 6. I can see Motte getting $2 x 3-4 years. You lock in a quality 4th liner. Only 26 years old right now. Of course you hope he signs for $1.75-$1.95 but if it goes to $2 even, I am not losing sleep over that.

I like Motte, but you already have 3.6 in Goodrow and 1.8 in Reaves. At some point you need some bargain contracts, and Motte does tend to get injured.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He's also bolted back home before like someone else we know.

I guess I have a type

 

[Barnaby]

Go watch the games Dach played when the Hawks were in the bubble. Looked awfully good to me.

He’s a guy I’m all in on.

I’d move Kakko for Dach yesterday. Even if he’s just a solid middle 6 center it’s a win.

History repeats itself, this is destiny

I think you were imagining Val Kamensky...

 

[RagFinMet]

Except Puljujarvi is a fast skater, doesn't get exhausted 15sec into his shifts, knows how to shoot, and doesn't have the confidence of an awkward nerd at prom

As a former nerd who didnt even go to prom i dont like the awkward nerd narrative
Not all players can be as cool as Panarin and Kravtsov with their good looks, charm and hair..
I suppose u were some popular jock?
I'd love to see u call kk names to his face
He sit on u and it's over

 

[EdJovanovski]

As a former nerd who didnt even go to prom i dont like the awkward nerd narrative
Not all players can be as cool as Panarin and Kravtsov with their good looks, charm and hair..
I suppose u were some popular jock?
I'd love to see u call kk names to his face
He sit on u and it's over

I do play sports (hockey) but nah I was the popular class clown
I could 100% beat Kakko in a fight, but the weight is the only issue. I'd have to make sure it remains a stand up boxing match, if he gets me on the ground it's indeed over

 

[Barnaby]

As a former nerd who didnt even go to prom i dont like the awkward nerd narrative
Not all players can be as cool as Panarin and Kravtsov with their good looks, charm and hair..
I suppose u were some popular jock?
I'd love to see u call kk names to his face
He sit on u and it's over

I didn’t know Kakko was into sitting on guys... not that there’s anything wrong with that!

 

[Lays]

As a former nerd who didnt even go to prom i dont like the awkward nerd narrative
Not all players can be as cool as Panarin and Kravtsov with their good looks, charm and hair..
I suppose u were some popular jock?
I'd love to see u call kk names to his face
He sit on u and it's over

I’ve seen a pic of @EdJovanovski before and let me just tell you he looks nerdy as hell

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[Lays]

I do play sports (hockey) but nah I was the popular class clown
I could 100% beat Kakko in a fight, but the weight is the only issue. I'd have to make sure it remains a stand up boxing match, if he gets me on the ground it's indeed over

No you wouldn’t lol

 

[RGY]

I like Motte, but you already have 3.6 in Goodrow and 1.8 in Reaves. At some point you need some bargain contracts, and Motte does tend to get injured.

I don’t think having Motte at 1.75-2 will prevent the rangers from signing a bargain contract vet at around $900k. I think they can bring Motte back and still grab a bottom 6 guy on one of those bargain deals. And if Motte does spend some time on the IR, then you call up a guy like Cuylle or Pajuniemi. They can get by if need be imo. This isn’t some crippling contract.

Like it or not (and it should be a resounding “like it”) this team making it to the ECF gave them a taste. The window is open now. It would be the wrong message and a disservice to this group, which is dominated by a ton of youth, to not go ice a competitive team with a plan to go deep again. The guys know Motte. They know what he brings. It would behoove them to keep that guy so long as he does not price himself out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I guess I have a type

Lmao

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers trade Georgiev Nemeth to Oilers
Oilers trade McLeod Kassian to Rangers

Rangers get a guy who can play in the top 9 and has a bit of nastiness in him. Rangers dump Nemeth . Rangers get some depth at center in McLeod. the brother rivalary would be fun with Devils vs Rangers. Oilers get their goalie.