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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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NYR Viper said:
I am going to lay out a couple of guys below:

Player A
Age 22
25 points in 55 games
15:08 TOI
6.2 CF% Rel even strength

Age 23
36 points in 65 games
16:14 TOI
9.3 CF% Rel even strength



Player B
25 years old
13 points in 47 games
13:25 TOI
-2.0 CF % rel even strength

26 years old
38 points in 74 games
15:06 TOI
4.7 CF% Rel even strength



Player A is Puljujaarvi

Player B is Lehkonen

A team is going to get an absolute possession monster at a reasonable cap hit just about to enter his prime. I don't care if he scores 15 goals a season, he's already a very good support winger for a skilled player
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So you compared the numbers for a guy that player with 2 of the 5 best players in the world for the season to a guy that played with the Canadians most of the year? I can't get behind that comparison at all from a numbers standpoint.
 
bleedblue94 said:
Colin white also sucks on faceoffs and hasn't done anything significant in the NHL for years. He's not a top 9 player here. He would be a 4th liner here to replace Rooney and slot up for injuries.
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This team was two wins from a final with kids and some vets that hadn’t had a taste in years and people want to gamble on guys like Colin White instead of strengthening the 2C position but then telling you they don’t want Strome back.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
So you compared the numbers for a guy that player with 2 of the 5 best players in the world for the season to a guy that played with the Canadians most of the year? I can't get behind that comparison at all from a numbers standpoint.
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Even his stats in Colorado didn't match Puljujaarvi's.

Again, McDavid and Draisatl's stats looked better with him than without. Are his numbers inflated? Perhaps. But it appears to be more of a symbiotic relationship than people give it credit for
 
bleedblue94 said:
Historically how often have really good players said that they don't want to play with another player who then goes on to have a better career somewhere else with lesser players in just as big of a role?
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Those are really just rumors. If McDavid didn't want to play with him, Woodcroft clearly didn't care about that, at least in the regular season. Once Draisatil got hurt in the playoffs and he had to move to wing, the situation changed.

The other thing is until they got Kane, was there really anyone else that was a winger you'd line up next to McDavid? Hyman was perfect for him. Yamamoto was not good. There was really nobody else to fill that role.

It's also possible that McDavid is just wrong on this. If coaches and front office people get things wrong, so can players. Reminds me of when Kakko got put with Strome and Panarin and they just ignored him on the ice until they realized they can't do that and the line exploded.
 
Anthony5967 said:
This team was two wins from a final with kids and some vets that hadn’t had a taste in years and people want to gamble on guys like Colin White instead of strengthening the 2C position but then telling you they don’t want Strome back.
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The same people that want to keep chytil want white now, so they are actually advocating for a downgrade at our teams weakest position. I just can't stand the shiney new syndrome.

They mock sather for the former top pick rehabilitation projects but then posters here literally want to do it with anything offbthe scrapheap.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Even his stats in Colorado didn't match Puljujaarvi's.

Again, McDavid and Draisatl's stats looked better with him than without. Are his numbers inflated? Perhaps. But it appears to be more of a symbiotic relationship than people give it credit for
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Again, in edm JP plays w LD or mcd most of the time. In Colorado al played how much on the MacKinnon rattanen line during the reg season when you're pulling these numbers from (he played there in the finals when landaskag moved to kadri's line after his injury)? And despite a career outlier of output this season, kadri isn't even in the same Convo as ld or mcd.

It's just an out of context comparison in my opinion.
 
I get understanding that for the right player (not a ton of these guys available) a package of Chytil+Lundkvist or something along those lines is attractive. I'm with it.

But thinking we should be trading Chytil to make cap room just in general, or completely writing off that our best option may be giving him the 2C role and going from there (anyone think we could find a 2nd line Center on an expiring contract that could help for a playoff run?).... we are getting peak offseason around here.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Those are really just rumors. If McDavid didn't want to play with him, Woodcroft clearly didn't care about that, at least in the regular season. Once Draisatil got hurt in the playoffs and he had to move to wing, the situation changed.

The other thing is until they got Kane, was there really anyone else that was a winger you'd line up next to McDavid? Hyman was perfect for him. Yamamoto was not good. There was really nobody else to fill that role.

It's also possible that McDavid is just wrong on this. If coaches and front office people get things wrong, so can players. Reminds me of when Kakko got put with Strome and Panarin and they just ignored him on the ice until they realized they can't do that and the line exploded.
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I hear you, but now you have the gm wanting him gone along w the player "rumors" but let me ask you this if mcd or LD wanted to play w jp do you think there is any chance Holland is moving him out?
 
rangers1314 said:
So your argument is don't look for undervalued players who may have a shot at over-performing their contracts?

Also, Pulijujarvi isn't a "dime a dozen player". At least he wasn't last year.
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What would Puju do for us that Kakko doesn't?
 
I mean, this team includes

Vezina goalie
Norris D man
Superstar Breadman
Superstar 1C
50 goal winger
5+ studly youngsters growing by leaps and bounds

And people still freak out over potentially missing the playoffs next season? The Rangers have *already made* a lot of significant choices that limit the options available in the near future. Panarin, Zib, Trouba, Fox have heavy weight contracts. There is a hole at 2C, but the options to fix it through trades are limited.

- JT Miller is too expensive, first in cost for trade, then he cannot be kept without further losses in players. The Rangers will have the same hole at 2C next summer. JT would be a bandaid, not a solution.
- PLD is an enigma who quits if he's not happy, also very costly in initial cost, then again to keep if he proves successful. If he's not it's a disaster.

Both players have character flags. JT is on the block because the Vancouver room is not happy. There was talk JT had split the room in one group supporting him and one group (including EP?) that can't stand him.

- A quality veteran UFA (Malkin, Giroux) is a more straightforward option on paper, but cost and length of contract are issues.
- If Copp is not signed maybe the Rangers should have been the club offersheeting Kotkaniemi, the cost would have been cheaper...

Drury should stay cool and wait for a smart solution rather than do something awkward that fixes one issue temporarily, but causes two other+ long term issues.
 
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McRanger92 said:
When these guys are getting penciled in as top 6-9 centers and wings, its not a solution. It would be compounding a problem.
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We have space for new bodies on pretty much every line.

Yeah, they should probably try to add a bigger fish this summer. That doesn't mean they should ignore making these smaller, value moves though.

The way I see it, we have 3 top 6 spots to fill (Vatrano, Copp, Strome) and really only one body who you can comfortably say is ready to fill it internally (Laf.) Even if Chytil eventually does as well, thats 1 spot left in the top 6 as well as 2 slots for those players on the 3rd line.
 
NYR Viper said:
I caught maybe 8-10 regular season and about 6 of his playoff games. It was clear that he was hampered by his injury and yet his possession numbers and metrics still glowed.
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Please, I am so sick of hearing about players hampered by their injuries. This board was convinced panarin and others were playing hurt so it impacted them. Good players that chose to play injured remain good players. LD played on one leg for god's sakes so I don't give gold stars for possession numbers w injuries.

I watched him constantly turn the puck over at his own line and make throwaway panic plays in his own zone that led to turnovers. I remember laughing when the broadcasts would call for him to be benched bc his play in the post season was so bad defensively. That's why I can't help but laugh at people pushing this defensive beast storyline.

I'm just going to leave it with you that I don't think JP is a great player. I think he is passable but I have higher aims for filling out this roster and I don't want another erratic player here the likes of which we have plenty. And if someone is going to push our own kids out of top 6 opportunities I would prefer it be a better player than JP whom mcd and LD don't even want to play with.
 
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Do you want ants said:
He wouldn’t be here to replace Kakko (unless we trade him). He would push someone like Rooney or McKegg out of the lineup.
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Umm, ha are you sure?

Jp who people here are lauding to play with panarin is going to push two guys out of the lineup that weren't even in our top 12 forwards this postseason? Might want to rethink that. If Jp comes here he probably gets a chance w zib or panarin ahead of other in house options that haven't worked historically (including kakko)...
 
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Do you want ants said:
He wouldn’t be here to replace Kakko (unless we trade him). He would push someone like Rooney or McKegg out of the lineup.
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Rooney & McKegg aren't even under contract and the team doesnt need another defensive winger who doesnt score despite playing with elite players. And didnt he quit on his team too? I dont know what more can possibly be said about why this guy is not what we need.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I am going to lay out a couple of guys below:

Player A
Age 22
25 points in 55 games
15:08 TOI
6.2 CF% Rel even strength

Age 23
36 points in 65 games
16:14 TOI
9.3 CF% Rel even strength



Player B
25 years old
13 points in 47 games
13:25 TOI
-2.0 CF % rel even strength

26 years old
38 points in 74 games
15:06 TOI
4.7 CF% Rel even strength



Player A is Puljujaarvi

Player B is Lehkonen

A team is going to get an absolute possession monster at a reasonable cap hit just about to enter his prime. I don't care if he scores 15 goals a season, he's already a very good support winger for a skilled player
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You are not considering that 70% of his ice time is with McDavid. I'd still like to add him though.
 
Evan Rodrigues is a good hockey player. He will just get overpaid. If he were to come in at a decent/fair rate he'd be a perfect 3rd liner.
 
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