Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[kinger8998]

Could definitely see a P. Kane deadline trade something along the lines of a 3 team trade. Say for example Arizona

Kane CHI -> ARZ (50% retained)
Future Considerations ARZ -> Chicago

Kane ARZ -> NYR (50% retained)
Julien Gauthier, COL 2023 3rd, DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025**, Vitali Kravtsov NYR-> ARZ

DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025*, Vitali Kravtsov ARZ-> CHI (fulfills future considerations)
CHI 2023 7th CHI -> ARZ

* - If NYR wins cup 2023, NYR 2024 2nd becomes NYR 2024 1st
** - If Kane resigns with NYR, NYR 3rd 2025 becomes NYR 1st 2023

NYR Gets: Kane at $2.625M
ARZ Gets: Julien Gauthier, COL 2023 3rd, CHI 2023 7th
CHI Gets: Vitali Kravtsov, DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025**

NYR get their guy for cup push, at salary that can fit under cap.
ARZ gets 3rd rounder, Gauthier and 7th for retaining $2.625M
CHI gets atleast 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Vitali Kravtsov, with potential for 2-3 1st round picks if conditions are met.

 

[Daves a mess]

Kane WITH an extension now? And at 50%? This is gonna hurt.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think Kakko is gonna force himself into the top 6 fairly shortly. I still think the best lines for us are

Panarin Zib Kreider
Laf Trochek Kakko
Blais Chytil Kravtsov
Vesey Rydahl Goodrow

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think Kakko is gonna force himself into the top 6 fairly shortly. I still think the best lines for us are

Panarin Zib Kreider
Laf Trochek Kakko
Blais Chytil Kravtsov
Vesey Rydahl Goodrow

The problem with a lineup like that is we've seen that chytil needs help and can't carry a line. I cant see that being blais and kratsov at this point.
And while I 100% think those top 6 are great, if 'we're shortening our depth, does that make us better? Or just the same team we were season.

Could definitely see a P. Kane deadline trade something along the lines of a 3 team trade. Say for example Arizona

Kane CHI -> ARZ (50% retained)
Future Considerations ARZ -> Chicago

Kane ARZ -> NYR (50% retained)
Julien Gauthier, COL 2023 3rd, DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025**, Vitali Kravtsov NYR-> ARZ

DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025*, Vitali Kravtsov ARZ-> CHI (fulfills future considerations)
CHI 2023 7th CHI -> ARZ

* - If NYR wins cup 2023, NYR 2024 2nd becomes NYR 2024 1st
** - If Kane resigns with NYR, NYR 3rd 2025 becomes NYR 1st 2023

NYR Gets: Kane at $2.625M
ARZ Gets: Julien Gauthier, COL 2023 3rd, CHI 2023 7th
CHI Gets: Vitali Kravtsov, DAL 1st 2023, NYR 2nd 2024*, NYR 3rd 2025**

NYR get their guy for cup push, at salary that can fit under cap.
ARZ gets 3rd rounder, Gauthier and 7th for retaining $2.625M
CHI gets atleast 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Vitali Kravtsov, with potential for 2-3 1st round picks if conditions are met.

Nitpick. You can't condition a trade around a player re-signing.

 

[TominNC]

It's very clear that if Laf is comfortable on right, the eventual solution is K-Z-Laf, Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko, Blais-Chytil-Krav.

I just wish a Panarin-Zibanejad-Kreider line would work so bad. Then the solution would have been to never sign Trocheck. Promote Kid line to 2nd line, and sign a stopgap 3C to center Blais and Krav.

What can I say, I'm a dreamer.

Now, our top to LW-C combos are basically set at K-Z and Panarin-Trocheck, which don't get me wrong, isn't something to complain about. But, it will cost us Chytil eventually, which is a shame because he's finally starting to put it together. And unless GG shows a willingness to move Laf to RW and both him and Kakko up to top 6 spots, it may very well cost us their development.

That being said, give the kid line ice time and I think their development won't suffer greatly since they play so well together and ooze confidence. But eventually that line has to be split up unless one of the other duos is (not likely) or one of the other duos becomes the 3rd line (even less likely).

With the star power we have it would be near impossible to run the ideal top 9-4th line system of rolling top 3 at ES. Kid Line deserves that, but K-Z and Panarin Trocheck aren't losing ice time to the "3rd line", lets be honest. Add to that that the kids won't see PP TOI since the top unit is set with Trocheck at bumper due to 4 RHS system and a lock for 1:15+ every PP.

Assuming a PP/PK of 3 per game, you automatically lose 12 mins of ES time. Give 8-10 mins to a 4th line and you can cut that down to 38-40. Split that 3 ways and you end up with 16 mins per line in top 9. Ideal, but not likely.

Ah...like I said, one can dream.

That’s 13 not 16

 

[bleedblue94]

I think it's a massive difference. We're talking about stylistically, not comparing stat totals.

What was Strome pre-Panarin? I see a similar growth into Trochecks production because Panarin is that good.

Panarin was a MVP in 2019. His game changed drastically after covid. I feel Strome exacerbated it. He is starting to resemble HARTemi again IMO.

Stylistically, Trocheck and Lafreniere are relentless puck hounds with talent. Panarin’s game benefits significantly with “attacking”players. They will pair nicely with Panarin.

but what you just posted is completely a 180 from before. here you are saying panarin will make those players better, prior it is a comment that we need the right players to make panarin better.

panarin is the third highest cap hit in the league this year and quite honestly it is embarrassing that we are here trying to figure out what player needs to be put on his line so he isnt as much of a 5v5 liability as he has become...

 

[Mac n Gs]

They should've been looking into this before Toronto had a slew of injuries, but I hope Drury at least reaches out to Dubas about seeing what they'd want for Nick Robertson

 

[TominNC]

There’s a LONG time until the trade deadline. Can we do without the daily speculation and pointless deal suggestions until we get a lot closer?

 

[huerter]

I think Kakko is gonna force himself into the top 6 fairly shortly. I still think the best lines for us are

Panarin Zib Kreider
Laf Trochek Kakko
Blais Chytil Kravtsov
Vesey Rydahl Goodrow

Vesey: "Zib and Kreider play a simple straight line game"

HF: "You know who would fit with that...Panarin."

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The problem with a lineup like that is we've seen that chytil needs help and can't carry a line. I cant see that being blais and kratsov at this point.
And while I 100% think those top 6 are great, if 'we're shortening our depth, does that make us better? Or just the same team we were season.


Nitpick. You can't condition a trade around a player re-signing.

Chytil Blais and Kravtsov is a very good line, Kravtsov needs to get his footing though. If that doesn't work its always easier to add a 3rd line winger than finding a top line winger imo, and much cheaper.

Rydahl got send down btw

 

[huerter]

but what you just posted is completely a 180 from before. here you are saying panarin will make those players better, prior it is a comment that we need the right players to make panarin better.

panarin is the third highest cap hit in the league this year and quite honestly it is embarrassing that we are here trying to figure out what player needs to be put on his line so he isnt as much of a 5v5 liability as he has become...

He was +21 last year

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They should've been looking into this before Toronto had a slew of injuries, but I hope Drury at least reaches out to Dubas about seeing what they'd want for Nick Robertson

We need another left winger? I like the idea of Robertson but Toronto won't give him away and he plays on the wrong side.

 

[duhmetreE]

but what you just posted is completely a 180 from before. here you are saying panarin will make those players better, prior it is a comment that we need the right players to make panarin better.

panarin is the third highest cap hit in the league this year and quite honestly it is embarrassing that we are here trying to figure out what player needs to be put on his line so he isnt as much of a 5v5 liability as he has become...

A great QB still need an OL to protect him and wide outs to get open.

I do not know what happened to Panarins game post Covid but it changed drastically. He got away from everything that made him successful

2019 Panarin was all world. He elevated everyone he was in the ice with. I’m not defending his last couple seasons and that’s not the player I think he is. Point totals were there but it’s no where close to his best. I thought he was a shell of himself.

We’ve seen glimpses of 2019 Panarin so far though, this pre season.

 

[TominNC]

We need another left winger? I like the idea of Robertson but Toronto won't give him away and he plays on the wrong side.

Just tell him he has to play RW. It works like magic

 

[egelband]

Kane could be a deadline target but I really only see it if Kane forces his way here a la MSL. I don't think Drury will want to pony up what someone else will, unless Chicago will take the lower of our 1st round picks and a B prospect.

I really see our deadline potentially being similar to last year with a Vatrano like acquisition being brought in to bolster on RW (if it's still a need at that point).

I just don’t see why Kane would even want to join the Rangers. Maybe there’s more public record I’m missing. But usually kids from Buffalo don’t grow up as rangers fans. I’d put my money on him going to an up and coming Sabres team and even re-signing there. Second would be him staying in Chicago or maybe going to LA if LA is looking good.

Carpenter has shown absolutely nothing except that he's another McKegg type. He has no business on this team.

McKegg is more noticeable on the ice. I’ll give Carpenter the benefit of the doubt but really I’m not seeing it now.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I can't fathom spending 90 dollars to see the Coyotes.

Nobody else could either. Walk in prices on StubHub were in the teens for most games.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Brett Howden is still garbage. Still cant score.

 

[bleedblue94]

A great QB still need an OL to protect him and wide outs to get open.

I do not know what happened to Panarins game post Covid but it changed drastically. He got away from everything that made him successful

2019 Panarin was all world. He elevated everyone he was in the ice with. I’m not defending his last couple seasons and that’s not the player I think he is. Point totals were there but it’s no where close to his best. I thought he was a shell of himself.

We’ve seen glimpses of 2019 Panarin so far though, this pre season.

Ive said repeatedly that I know for fact there was a significant injury on the Wilson incident. This isn't speculation. I know this for fact. He has been a different player since that incident, not since COVID.

It isn't the linemates. You are drawing the metaphor of a great QB. A great QB can have a good ol and wideouts but once he is playing w a level of fear of getting injured he won't be the same. No one can play a contact sport with a conscious fear of getting injured (again), every athlete will tell you that it just changes you as a player.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Ice said repeatedly that I know for fact there was a significant injury on the Wilson incident. This isn't speculation. I know this for fact. He has been a different player since that incident, not since COVID.

It isn't the linemates. You are drawing the metaphor of a great QB. A great QB can have a good ol and wideouts but once he is playing w a level of fear of getting injured he won't be the same. No one can play a contact sport with a conscious fear of getting injured (again), every athlete will tell you that it just changes you as a player.

I had this suspicion long before you confirmed it by posting here. I think a lot of people severely underestimated how much damage was sustained when Wilson slammed him into the ice. He's so lucky his head wasn't the first body part to make contact with the ice.

 

[bleedblue94]

He was +21 last year

And? Malik was over a plus 30 twice in his career and no one would say he was a great 5v5 player.

The value of plus minus as a stat has been destroyed over the years, it is a horrible thing to rely on in an argument.

You would be hard pressed to have people agree that he was good 5v5 last year with a 49.8 cf percentage from a guy making what he is making...

 

[bleedblue94]

I had this suspicion long before you confirmed it by posting here. I think a lot of people severely underestimated how much damage was sustained when Wilson slammed him into the ice. He's so lucky his head wasn't the first body part to make contact with the ice.

Beyond physical damage there can be psychological affects to a player after an injury that makes them play not to get hurt. Once that happens it is very hard to change. A great example of that was lindross. When he came to nyr he was still playing guarded and wasn't terribly effective. He eventually shifted back to the more impactful player he had been. I remember an interview where he basically said as much and he was playing like himself again until he had another head injury which basically finished him.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It’s super early and the season hasn’t started so a lot can change but a few thoughts:

- The kid line is far and away the best line this team has but the issue is they need to spread one or two around the lineup so the sum of the parts is more potent. Kakko or Laf on the top line with Mika. Or with Bread. But it’s becoming obvious Laf wants to stay on the left and it’s where they want him. So they’ll put Kakko up there which imo he’s earned and keep the Laf Chytil combo together. It is what it is, and honestly it’s frustrating but also great, but only if three of them are gonna get the ice time they deserve.

- Kravstov is an epic fail right now. It’s not to say he won’t be a part of this team at some point (as Bread adoringly coddles him like a little brother), but right now he has no business being in the top 6. None. He’s shown very little. I said in the summer that he needed to be prepared for Gallants tough love at some point. It isn’t even opening night. Let’s see how the kid responds. Fact of the matter is they gifted him a spot on Panarins line and he did nothing with it. Maybe he’ll take the hickory stick lashing and do something about it. Or maybe not…

- I get why Rydahl was sent down, but Carpenter played what, all of 20 minutes of ice time in the pre-season? Wtf? They got a good look at Rydahl and he’s good. He’s a solid player with wheels. He will be the first call up. It’s just kinda stupid it’s gotta go through this route by playing an inferior player while a decent kid who’s paid his dues and has more skill and speed in Brodz was waived. I get it, he doesn’t kill penalties and he’ll prob clear. But Rydahl can. And he can win face offs too. So you don’t want to lose Carpenter. Who cares. It was a foregone conclusion that Carpenter was making the team. So much so that they didn’t even have to play him. It’s a little annoying. It’s never going to be great but the fourth line will be an issue until injuries or trades occur - or until they are convinced Carpenter sucks and has nothing left which could be weeks before they admit it. Teams all over the league take on new players in bottom 6 roles to see what they have. Why. Ok so you give Carpenter 2 months to “get it going” again. Then you realize he isn’t the same player he was in Vegas. Surprise. Waste of time. I hope I eat crow on this I really do.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Just tell him he has to play RW. It works like magic

Well, he has played it plenty in the past. He did it in juniors, nearly all last year in the AHL, and he’s done it in spurts in TOR. They’ve just found a good spot for him with Kerfoot and Nylander now since moving Ws to their opposite side isn’t really a big deal.

 

[Avery16]

If the kid line works, stick with it. We can't assume that adding parts of the kid line is more likely to invigorate the top two lines than it will only devoid us of our only line that clicks. The top six has two working pairings. Keep rotating candidates into those until something clicks or someone comes available by trade.

 

[Kocur26]

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