Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Clark Kellogg]

Gallant interview states 29 guys still in camp yet only 26 in group photo. Curiouser and curiouser?

 

[duhmetreE]

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Gallant interview states 29 guys still in camp yet only 26 in group photo. Curiouser and curiouser?

Who is next to Kreider and in between Shesy and Kravstov?

Halak is tiny

 

[The Crypto Guy]

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Who is next to Kreider and in between Shesy and Kravstov?

Halak is tiny

Is that Hunt next to Kreider? It's hard to tell, can't really zoom in.

 

[EdJovanovski]

wh

Who is next to Kreider and in between Shesy and Kravstov?

Halak is tiny

Blais is between Shesty & Kravy
Nobody knows who the guy next to Kreider is, I don’t think he even plays hockey

 

[duhmetreE]

Is that Hunt next to Kreider? It's hard to tell, can't really zoom in.

Hunt is hugging Fox and Lindgren

Blais is between Shesty & Kravy
Nobody knows who the guy next to Kreider is, I don’t think he even plays hockey

Rydahl is my guess. has that Scandinavian smile, like Kakko.

 

[Atax]

wh

Who is next to Kreider and in between Shesy and Kravstov?

Halak is tiny

Rydahl?

 

[Savant]

Mika wearing that Bouncing Souls hoodie

 

[Thirty One]

Is that Hunt next to Kreider? It's hard to tell, can't really zoom in.

I think it's Fox's dad.

 

[McRanger92]

They do some of the dragging 5v5. Easy to blame everyone who gets put with them. But they make the money so maybe they can do some of the heavy lifting?

If line 3 is getting only 10-14 minutes and dominating possession, I think GG will have less defenders this year. He's gotta look at analytics and the eye test. It's not hard.

Kreider & Zibanejad scored 83 goals combined last year. They did plenty of heavy lifting.

 

[SA16]

Kreider & Zibanejad scored 83 goals combined last year. They did plenty of heavy lifting.

Their 5v5 play is fine. It's easy to look at a players CF% and declare him bad if it's less than 50%. We're not in 2010 anymore. More things than random shot attempts matter.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Who is that in the green hoodie on the other side of Lindgren?

 

[Crease]

Nobody knows who the guy next to Kreider is, I don’t think he even plays hockey

It’s the ghost of Boo Nieves.

 

[huerter]

Their 5v5 play is fine. It's easy to look at a players CF% and declare him bad if it's less than 50%. We're not in 2010 anymore. More things than random shot attempts matter.

royal road% is the new trendy stat.

 

[will1066]

Who is that in the green hoodie on the other side of Lindgren?

Brodz

wh

Who is next to Kreider and in between Shesy and Kravstov?

Halak is tiny

Blais

Is that Hunt next to Kreider? It's hard to tell, can't really zoom in.

Hunt is between Fox and Lindgren

 

[will1066]

Lmao who is taking a peep at Goodrow's ass (I think thats Goodrow?) in the 2nd pic?

Lol Goodrow is in the gray hoodie and cap on the right looking away from the camera

I believe it is Rydahl staring at Carpenter's caboose.

 

[Ola]

How many 1st overall picks in their D+3 season are playing 3rd line minutes?

Literally every other team would be handling this differently. Because they all have.

That 3rd line have a lot to prove from my POV. I was definitely not that impressed with them in the POs, think they were very overrated. They didn’t play well offensively at all. The goals they scored where mostly not a result of good offensive play. Some good finishing after bounces and stuff like that.

100%, if GG don’t give the kids PP time, we more or less seal their faith in terms of offensive potential. You can’t snooze a kids play with the puck for 4-5 years and then expect him to run a PP better than someone who have focused on that without interruption. Is this Gallant’s fault? Listen, the unbelievably stupid mistake was made by Quinn who spent the entire rebuild playing top picks on depth lines believing the most important thing was that they learned to play defense. But that doesn’t clear Gallant from responsibility.

Someone referred to an old Kreider quote with how you have to change the structure of the PP if Strome was taken of it and replaced with a leftie. But you can do it, it’s not impossible. Our PP was top 5, not best ever, unless I am mistaken, none of the 4 PPs that are better than ours had 4 righties on it.

There are teams with either of the following structure in terms of handiness and style that have better PPs than us:
—-Ziba-Kreider——-
——————————-
Laf—————-Panarin
———-Fox—————-
Or
———Kreider————
Ziba——————Kakko
————-Panarin———
———-Fox——————


In addition, it’s not correct either really that changing the bumper to a LHS forces then to change the structure. When Kreider drops down to the goal line to the left side of the net as a passing option, he get Strome up the crease and Ziba over on the other side as one time options. Meanwhile the defending team only have two defenders down low. One defender either have to try to cut of Kreider from going to the net at the same time as he takes away the passing lane to Strome, or more commonly, the RD takes Strome and the LD Kreider while the traffic across to Ziba still have to be made in heavy traffic. This is not our bread and butter play. On how many PP goals did Kreider assist Ziba with that pass? Or Strome? It’s not many. And it opens up more space for Pabarin, but Kreider to Panarin is a shooting option we almost never use. However, with a lefty in the bumper role you get a passing option for a one time from Zibanejad that we do not have as it is. With that lefty option from a Ziba pass, you also open up more for Panarin heading down the ice on the right side.

Ultimately, from my POV, you have a decision to make. I can’t fault GG if he chooses to screw the kids development if it means we contend this year. If we doesn’t, it’s not the right call. But be aware that we are screwing the kids, that is what is at stake. Whether David Quinn deserves more blame than GG for sending out Colin Blackwell and the likes on the PP over the kids when we sucked and wasn’t even close to being good — is really not relevant, that is on the old regime.

 

[Thirty One]

Disappointing lack of self-awareness from Jones. You're a front-row guy, Zac.

 

[will1066]

Vesey looks Photoshopped in.

 

[JimmyG89]

It comes down to TOI for me. If the idea is to spread the wealth and prioritize ice time for the lines that are running hot, I'm fine with it. But if Kreider and Zibanejad are getting 20 minutes a game while being dragged down by Blais/Goodrow/Vesey, while the Kid Line is getting 14 minutes with excellent possession stats, that can't happen.

Exactly, and it doesn't have to be a shift in lines. All it could be is a more even distributions. But as @McRanger92 said, they did a lot of the lifting with rotating linesmates until Vatrano became their guy.

Gallant knows you need three lines that can score and a 4th line that can stop the other team's better players from scoring. That's the goal. If that is achieved by having Vesey/Blais/Goodrow with Kreider and Zibanejad or even if that group goes on the 2nd line and Kravy moves up, so be it. The kid line generates offense just about every shift. I'd continue to try and find the fit for those two than break up the kids if it continues to be as effective as it has been.

 

[will1066]

Chytil, Hajak and Halek together. Czechmates.

 

[huerter]

It's too bad force-feeding Prucha PP time and boosting his production and confidence didn't result in him developing into Teemu.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

It's too bad force-feeding Prucha PP time and boosting his production and confidence didn't result in him developing into Teemu.

Who could've possibly imagined the 240th overall pick wouldn't work out long term?

 

[SA16]

That 3rd line have a lot to prove from my POV. I was definitely not that impressed with them in the POs, think they were very overrated. They didn’t play well offensively at all. The goals they scored where mostly not a result of good offensive play. Some good finishing after bounces and stuff like that.

100%, if GG don’t give the kids PP time, we more or less seal their faith in terms of offensive potential. You can’t snooze a kids play with the puck for 4-5 years and then expect him to run a PP better than someone who have focused on that without interruption. Is this Gallant’s fault? Listen, the unbelievably stupid mistake was made by Quinn who spent the entire rebuild playing top picks on depth lines believing the most important thing was that they learned to play defense. But that doesn’t clear Gallant from responsibility.

Someone referred to an old Kreider quote with how you have to change the structure of the PP if Strome was taken of it and replaced with a leftie. But you can do it, it’s not impossible. Our PP was top 5, not best ever, unless I am mistaken, none of the 4 PPs that are better than ours had 4 righties on it.

There are teams with either of the following structure in terms of handiness and style that have better PPs than us:
—-Ziba-Kreider——-
——————————-
Laf—————-Panarin
———-Fox—————-
Or
———Kreider————
Ziba——————Kakko
————-Panarin———
———-Fox——————


In addition, it’s not correct either really that changing the bumper to a LHS forces then to change the structure. When Kreider drops down to the goal line to the left side of the net as a passing option, he get Strome up the crease and Ziba over on the other side as one time options. Meanwhile the defending team only have two defenders down low. One defender either have to try to cut of Kreider from going to the net at the same time as he takes away the passing lane to Strome, or more commonly, the RD takes Strome and the LD Kreider while the traffic across to Ziba still have to be made in heavy traffic. This is not our bread and butter play. On how many PP goals did Kreider assist Ziba with that pass? Or Strome? It’s not many. And it opens up more space for Pabarin, but Kreider to Panarin is a shooting option we almost never use. However, with a lefty in the bumper role you get a passing option for a one time from Zibanejad that we do not have as it is. With that lefty option from a Ziba pass, you also open up more for Panarin heading down the ice on the right side.

Ultimately, from my POV, you have a decision to make. I can’t fault GG if he chooses to screw the kids development if it means we contend this year. If we doesn’t, it’s not the right call. But be aware that we are screwing the kids, that is what is at stake. Whether David Quinn deserves more blame than GG for sending out Colin Blackwell and the likes on the PP over the kids when we sucked and wasn’t even close to being good — is really not relevant, that is on the old regime.

Any PP structure that involves moving our two best offensive players out of their optimal role is a bad PP structure. Zibanejad is the leading 5v4 goal scorer the last 3 years among guys who play that role. More than Ovechkin. More than Pastrnak. More than Stamkos. He should not be moved somewhere else.

 

[mas0764]

Lundkvist demanded a trade. He could've come to camp and competed for an open spot that Jones or Hajek will get. I fail to see how this is the Rangers fault or that they did anything but a great job getting the return they did. This isn't the Buchnevich trade all over agin.

It's not the Buch trade again for a number of reasons. One, yes, Lundkvist asked out. I'm not thrilled with how we handled the situation but he had a hand in it himself. Buch wanted to stay.

Second, with Buch, we got a shit haul for a player who should have commanded a first and a high end prospect in literally any other scenario. He was a 26 year old first line RW. With Nils, we got a first and he was an unproven prospect, the return was definitely far better.

But it still stings if Nils turns into a stud, which I think he will. Fox-level, no, of course not, but still a darn good player.

I don't mind Vesey on the Mika line at all and I'm certainly encouraged that Rydahl is skating ahead of Carpenter & Reaves.

Blais - Goodrow - Rydahl is a 4th line other teams will not want to play against

I agree, our top 9 is not finalized till Othmann joins it next year (or Kane if he wants to come for cheap in the offseason).

Blais belongs as a plus player on the fourth with Goodrow and Rydahl.

If these are the lines I'm more or less fine with it, if I can't have a kid on that top line.

Looks like it would be 10th... which is still protected.

Think it's 14th.

 

[TominNC]

Kreider & Zibanejad scored 83 goals combined last year. They did plenty of heavy lifting.

They also had the most 5v5 goals for any pair.

They will get more minutes because they score the most and play PP1 and kill penalties. So yes, 5v5 minutes should be fairly even for the first 3 lines, but it's not a disaster of Kreider and Mika get more minutes.