Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Savant]

Chytil would likely be part of that deal I suppose. Chytil. A pick. And a salary? Do the rangers even have a salary to match?

Trading Chytil for ROR in a vacuum isn’t terrible , but it kind of defeats the purpose of adding him.

You need to get players to play with Chytil, not replace him with another player who is going to have to play with the same jabronis that Chytil is playing with

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

There's definitely going to be movement prior to the deadline. I'm not convince any of Vesey, Carpenter, Reaves, or Blais are still here. Those are all easily moveable contracts as part of deal and in the case of Vesey and Carpenter, both would probably pass through waivers.

-Vesey looked great in camp, but he's on pace for like 8 points and that's with getting third line minutes recently.

-Carpenter is a stopgap. He's supposed to help the PK/faceoffs but has been pretty poor on both. Gallant uses Ziba/Kreid, Trochek/Goodrow, and he's even been getting Kaako some PK time lately. That's telling.

-Reaves doesn't look any quicker from last year. Sometimes time catches up to us all. He's important to the room and in the lineup for now but even last night, they didn't need him to handle the Flyers stupidity. He's a Gallant favorite so it's doubtful he's moved but he could easily end up in Chicago or Arizona come March.

-Blais is essentially getting back up to speed the first half of the season. Another guy who it's doubtful they move but if his offense doesn't click with the right linemates, he may end up somewhere else come deadline.

 

[Alluckks]

Kravstov needs to be churned into grease and used to shine Kakko's skate blades

 

[egelband]

Trading Chytil for ROR in a vacuum isn’t terrible , but it kind of defeats the purpose of adding him.

You need to get players to play with Chytil, not replace him with another player who is going to have to play with the same jabronis that Chytil is playing with

Im thinking of it as purely an upgrade from Chytil to O'Reilly for one playoff run. That's why the deal probably needs to be expanded just a bit. Giving up a guy with 4 more RFA years for one playoff run is a bit too lopsided. But I don't think it's that far off.

 

[Barnaby]

It's not hindsight.

People need to stop acting like the people who decried this trade as unacceptable are monday morning QBing.

I’m not sure there’s one poster here who liked the Buch deal then, and I’m sure no one likes it now. No one is decrying you for that. They are decrying you for droning on and on about something that’s over and done with. Also, you and the other guys annoying suggestions were never going to happen given the state of the team, teams owner, etc… they weren’t rebuilding/accumulating picks for 3 more years or resigning Buch and playing with 9 guys at league minimum. If they somehow did make it work to resign Buch then you’d be complaining that they didn’t think ahead and leave more cap to get KAM, Laf, and/or Kakko locked up long term at a bargain rate. You’d be complaining that Kakko and Laf weren’t getting enough ice time or PP time to develop properly.

You keep phrasing your responses as if someone is arguing that it was a good deal - or that everyone liked it at the time, but you saw the light. Neither of those scenarios are accurate. No one is, in your words, “defending the regime.”

1. Buch was getting traded.
2. The return was lousy.

It’s over, so let’s move on and discuss the future. No matter how much you type, those things are true and 99.9% of the board agrees with it.

This is the roster building thread not the alternate reality thread.

 

[egelband]

I think the path has been chosen already. Laffy and KAM will get 2-3 year bridges. Chytil may get a decent size deal... thinking 3-5 years around $4ishM... he'll always have value and is moveable if need be. I'm confident Drury keeps all young pieces.

Keep this team intact for the next 3 or so years. This is the cup team. Cut the dead weight. Get dead cap back. Try to find value in the bottom6 that fit the mold of 2022 hockey. With the kids improving, we get that much better year over year... as long as the Vets do not shit the bed

I definitely agree that this is basically the team going forward. Any long-term additions will come through the draft/system. They will do what they can to tinker at deadlines but this year they're clearly hamstrung by the (effing) flat cap.

 

[Barnaby]

Im thinking of it as purely an upgrade from Chytil to O'Reilly for one playoff run. That's why the deal probably needs to be expanded just a bit. Giving up a guy with 4 more RFA years for one playoff run is a bit too lopsided. But I don't think it's that far off.

Yea, I’m not sure I see this as a premise for a deal unless as you suggested, it got more complicated. I’m less of a Chytil fan than most, but it’s a strange piece to move for a rental. If STL is completely out of it then a futures for a rental ROR seems more likely. It seems to make more sense for both sides.

 

[egelband]

Yea, I’m not sure I see this as a premise for a deal unless as you suggested, it got more complicated. I’m less of a Chytil fan than most, but it’s a strange piece to move for a rental. If STL is completely out of it then a futures for a rental ROR seems more likely. It seems to make more sense for both sides.

Yeah. I was really just riffing on some other posts. My premise was, I love ROR and see Chytil as a sell-high type who I think is close to his ceiling. Chytil and a cap dump for ROR and a prospect or pick? As you indicate, though, probably a bit far-fetched.

 

[Barnaby]

Maybe Kravtsov gets it done. But I also think the rangers would see it as liquidating Chytil who’ll be due a decent-sized contract soon. Sell high. VK will be cheap and undervalued still. A sell-low.
Just realized O’Reilly is an expiring so quite possibly Chytil for him straight up could work. Though they would have to figure out the salary part…

I don’t know that I see Chytil in a deal for a rental, but I personally doubt Drury hands Chytil a long term extension. Maybe I’m biased, because I’m admittedly lukewarm on Chytil, but your top 2 centers are both set and both getting paid. Chytil also doesn’t strike me as a Drury type of player. I don’t think Drury hands him a bag. I do think it’s more of an off-season move though where Chytil would go for draft picks or a cheaper and less established replacement. I think for Chytil to stay he’d have to vastly out produce what he’s done in the past, and even then they may sell high.

 

[egelband]

I don’t know that I see Chytil in a deal for a rental, but I personally doubt Drury hands Chytil a long term extension. Maybe I’m biased, because I’m admittedly lukewarm on Chytil, but your top 2 centers are both set and both getting paid. Chytil also doesn’t strike me as a Drury type of player. I don’t think Drury hands him a bag. I do think it’s more of an off-season move though where Chytil would go for draft picks or a cheaper and less established replacement. I think for Chytil to stay he’d have to vastly out produce what he’s done in the past, and even then they may sell high.

What’s the Chytil best-case endgame? It’s probably like elite 3C, right? Were he super durable like a Goodrow, for example, he’s puck mover on a top six line. And he may end up figuring out the durability part. In fact, he probably will. But even if he does, he’s Buchnevich or something.
And I suspect Drury would agree.

 

[Barnaby]

Do we really think Drury gives Chytil a long term extension? Just look at the players Drury has brought in, and the players Drury has sent away. Look at the recent higher level draft picks and their play styles (Othmann, Sykora). I’d be surprised if Chytil is here long term. As this team has to pay it’s young players they’re going to have to let some go. Something tells me Chytil is the latter.

 

[egelband]

Do we really think Drury gives Chytil a long term extension? Just look at the players Drury has brought in, and the players Drury has sent away. Look at the recent higher level draft picks. I’d be surprised if Chytil is here long term. As this team has to pay it’s young players they’re going to have to let some go. Something tells me Chytil is the latter.

Agree. Btw I really have a ton of respect for Chytil. Like Buchnevich, Chytil is an example of a guy who the rangers developed very well. They never gave him a hard time. Gave him a ton of opportunity and leash. And he always is a willing and earnest teammate.

 

[Barnaby]

What’s the Chytil best-case endgame? It’s probably like elite 3C, right? Were he super durable like a Goodrow, for example, he’s puck mover on a top six line. And he may end up figuring out the durability part. In fact, he probably will. But even if he does, he’s Buchnevich or something.
And I suspect Drury would agree.

To me, he’ll be a good to very good 3C or poor man’s 2C at his peak. I think he has the ability to be solid offensively, and hopefully passable defensively. I think he lacks hockey IQ to be much more. His face off game isn’t the best. He won’t be on a PP1 and to this point he hasn’t been on the PK. When it boils down to paying the man or not, I think it’s not. Maybe it’s a TB’s JT Miller situation where they deal him at the draft because there are just better options to pay (TB’s thinking - not the result). I do think he’ll have a solid career and if he ever hits UFA, he’s the type of guy some team will overpay as a 2C and come to regret.

 

[Barnaby]

Agree. Btw I really have a ton of respect for Chytil. Like Buchnevich, Chytil is an example of a guy who the rangers developed very well. They never gave him a hard time. Gave him a ton of opportunity and leash. And he always is a willing and earnest teammate.

I think that’s an apt comparison. Both developed here and for all the criticisms of the Rangers player development - they really both grew and have come to flourish. For better or worse though, I get the same vibes from Chytil that I got from Buchnevich that he isn’t in the long term plans going forward.

 

[egelband]

I think that’s an apt comparison. Both developed here and for all the criticisms of the Rangers player development - they really both grew and have come to flourish. For better or worse though, I get the same vibes from Chytil that I got from Buchnevich that he isn’t in the long term plans going forward.

And I know I’ll get skewered but I think it’s the right call in both cases.

 

[Barnaby]

And I know I’ll get skewered but I think it’s the right call in both cases.

Not by me. I like both, but I agree with you.

 

[DialUp]

From Brooks latest:
"The Rangers have had 67:15 with the man-advantage. The Five Horsemen — not pestilence and all that, but instead, Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck and Fox — have amassed between 51:40 and 52:40 of power-play time apiece.


The Blueshirts have not gotten a goal from a forward on the second unit since David Quinn was behind the bench."

 

[McRanger92]

From Brooks latest:
"The Rangers have had 67:15 with the man-advantage. The Five Horsemen — not pestilence and all that, but instead, Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck and Fox — have amassed between 51:40 and 52:40 of power-play time apiece.


The Blueshirts have not gotten a goal from a forward on the second unit since David Quinn was behind the bench."

Thats a wild stat and I feel like its not true. It also doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

[IDvsEGO]

From Brooks latest:
"The Rangers have had 67:15 with the man-advantage. The Five Horsemen — not pestilence and all that, but instead, Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck and Fox — have amassed between 51:40 and 52:40 of power-play time apiece.


The Blueshirts have not gotten a goal from a forward on the second unit since David Quinn was behind the bench."

Laf scored on the power play in the playoffs.
Brooks may have been trying to be funny, but he should learn to be accurate too.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There's definitely going to be movement prior to the deadline. I'm not convince any of Vesey, Carpenter, Reaves, or Blais are still here. Those are all easily moveable contracts as part of deal and in the case of Vesey and Carpenter, both would probably pass through waivers.

-Vesey looked great in camp, but he's on pace for like 8 points and that's with getting third line minutes recently.

-Carpenter is a stopgap. He's supposed to help the PK/faceoffs but has been pretty poor on both. Gallant uses Ziba/Kreid, Trochek/Goodrow, and he's even been getting Kaako some PK time lately. That's telling.

-Reaves doesn't look any quicker from last year. Sometimes time catches up to us all. He's important to the room and in the lineup for now but even last night, they didn't need him to handle the Flyers stupidity. He's a Gallant favorite so it's doubtful he's moved but he could easily end up in Chicago or Arizona come March.

-Blais is essentially getting back up to speed the first half of the season. Another guy who it's doubtful they move but if his offense doesn't click with the right linemates, he may end up somewhere else come deadline.

Who cares? His role isn't to put up offense anyway and he's been pretty great defensively and overall in terms of whats been asked for him (Minus the San Jose game.)

I was as anti Vesey as anyone before camp because I was sure that he would be plugged into the top 6 (that hasn't happened.) He's in the top 9 right now because the chosen one can't stay on the ice. As a 4th liner, he's more than fine, if not our best option on that line.

I can pretty much guarantee that almost anyone they can get to replace him on the 4th line would be a downgrade. The other players on his line should be upgraded (mostly Carpenter and Reever), he has a spot and should continue to have a spot.

Laf scored on the power play in the playoffs.
Brooks may have been trying to be funny, but he should learn to be accurate too.

He didn't but Chytil did. I think this is strictly regular season stats though.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who cares? His role isn't to put up offense anyway and he's been pretty great defensively and overall in terms of whats been asked for him (Minus the San Jose game.)

I was as anti Vesey as anyone before camp because I was sure that he would be plugged into the top 6 (that hasn't happened.) He's in the top 9 right now because the chosen one can't stay on the ice. As a 4th liner, he's more than fine, if not our best option on that line.

I can pretty much guarantee that almost anyone they can get to replace him on the 4th line would be a downgrade. The other players on his line should be upgraded (mostly Carpenter and Reever), he has a spot and should continue to have a spot.



He didn't but Chytil did. I think this is strictly regular season stats though.

Im sure that’s what he’s implying but he’s also inaccurate. He was vague trying to be funny, but it leads to inaccuracies.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Chytil being traded for a rental would be stupid even a rental of O'Reilly's stature. Rangers 3rd and 4th lines already have a dearth of offensive punch, trading the one guy who was creating a ton of it wouldnt be too bright.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I like Chytil very much but if Drury thinks this team has a legit shot to win it all at the deadline and the cost for a player like Kane is Chytil. He gone.

 

[Ola]

Please stop with Rongos. It’s an insult other teams fans use.

II is one of those unwritten things, but there are actually 31 sub-forums of HF board gathering supporters for each respective team and then there is our NYR forum which gathers a bunch of people who loves to insult the New York Rangers and it’s players. I understand that it can be confusing. Like there is not even a name for it, nobody could call this place a “fan forum”.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I like Chytil very much but if Drury thinks this team has a legit shot to win it all at the deadline and the cost for a player like Kane is Chytil. He gone.

That’s such a short sighted and bad decision.
Chytil is a center, he’s giving us depth we don’t have when he’s on. Without him goodrow is our 3c, which is higher in the lineup than we all want.
Kane is a wing, he’s likely gonna push one of the kids down to the 3rd line, where they’d then be playing w goodrow, who’s a damn black hole offensively.
Kratsov? Sure. Othmann, I’d rather not but fine.
Chytil no.