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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

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pld459666 said:
Hated that trade as well.

Mot to mention the additional year he had on his deal
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Best part of the Callahan deal? We traded him instead of giving him a long term contract.

We got stuck with long term deals for Girardi and Staal, but thankfully management drew the line with Callahan.

Great player, great guy. But everyone knew his body wouldn't hold up. Except Tampa who gave him the 6x6.
 
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Draft Guru said:
Best part of the Callahan deal? We traded him instead of giving him a long term contract.

We got stuck with long term deals for Girardi and Staal, but thankfully management drew the line with Callahan.

Great player, great guy. But everyone knew his body wouldn't hold up. Except Tampa who gave him the 6x6.
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Not arguing that.

Just hate parting with 1st rounders for guys that do little to nothing to get a team over the top with rare exceptions.
 
TominNC said:
But on rounds 2, 4, and 6 which is the bad idea. We are in agreement that all rounds that have the bad team picks at the top of the round are good. Yay, agreement. The difference is the rounds where you penalize bad teams. That's where I have a problem and where your idea falls apart and unnecessarily penalizes weak teams.

So no need to go around and around again. But I'm here every day and have no reason not to refute you over and over until the mods tell us to stop.
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Bad teams should be penalized. In this way they get penalized in a manner which doesnt prevent them from still cherry picking the absolute best talent in every draft.
 
pld459666 said:
Not arguing that.

Just hate parting with 1st rounders for guys that do little to nothing to get a team over the top with rare exceptions.
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Beauvillier and Ho Sang turned out to be very skippable. Besides, Callahan was trying to hold our post-season hostage. F him. That trade was a win all the way through.
 
TheBloodyNine said:
Bad teams should be penalized. In this way they get penalized in a manner which doesnt prevent them from still cherry picking the absolute best talent in every draft.
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No they shouldn't be penalized. Just as good teams shouldn't get an easier route to stay good. A league needs balance.
 
pld459666 said:
Any GM that parts with a 1st for this guy should be fired on the spot.

ON. THE. SPOT.

The likelihood of a TDL add putting you over the top is very low. Adding a 38 year old doesn't make those odds any better.

It's a fools errand.
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That’s ludicrous. This is classic HF. Pavelski… a ppg player with a ton of playoff experience and playoff success doesn’t get a 1st? That’s just ludicrous and completely ignores the reality of the market.

Mind you, I’m not advocating that for the Rangers as we sit here today but the guy is a phenomenal player and would bring back something significant if the team fell apart and decided to move him.
 
I love Pavelski, definitely want to keep an eye on him and ROR if DAL or STL are out of the picture. I think both would have a very positive impact on Chytil as well, then Chytil moves to RW and has another big playoffs for us.
 
A huge issue re: the draft and "bad teams" is that there are teams that intentionally attempt to be as bad as possible. That may not happen in the locker room, but management/front office of some teams the goal is to be as bad as possible to get a higher pick. That sort of nonsense should not be rewarded. Those teams drag revenue down and then expect hand outs through revenue sharing and top picks in the draft.

Those teams, and that action should be penalized.

The push back is going to be "how can you prove those teams intentionally tanked". Anyone with even slight knowledge of the sport can tell.

This is why fans were so outraged that the Rangers got the number one overall pick. Because the Rangers didn't defile themselves by trying to be as bad as possible. The fans of the tanking teams couldn't believe that their attempt at being pathetic failed.

Why should front offices be rewarded for trying to lose? Even the points structure in this league rewards failure and mediocrity. There shouldn't be a point for losing games. Games shouldn't go from being worth 2 points to 3 points just because it went past regulation.

The draft lottery for #1 overall should be for the top 5 teams in league standings. Reward effort. If they want 3 points handed out in games then make regulation worth 3 points, split the 1 point for OT and SO and then "loss point".

Parity is one of the biggest lies in the NHL. Look at the Stanley Cup champions and the Conference finalists over the last two decades, more, and then try to come to the conclusion that parity exists. Which is why the cap is a joke. We've had several mini dynasties the last 20 years. The cap isn't making parity, the teams that keep winning find ways to circumvent the cap.

CHI 3
PIT 3
LAK 2
TBL 2

That's just Cup wins, it's worse when you look at CF appearances. Teams like Washington and Boston have gotten there multiple times. Even the Rangers got to the CF a handful of times.

There are definite flaws with the whole structure.
 
Do y'all think this injection of meanness and grit provided by Reaves, will be gone next season, when he's off the roster? Or will he have acted as an injection of bite, that rubbed off enough, as to last us 10 years or so?

Like Trouba going back to Charmin soft and such?

Certainly the front office did a great job drafting couple of promising pests for the future, but I'm not looking to a 21 y old Brennan Othmann to give the team balls on the ice.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Do y'all think this injection of meanness and grit provided by Reaves, will be gone next season, when he's off the roster? Or will he have acted as an injection of bite, that rubbed off enough, as to last us 10 years or so?

Like Trouba going back to Charmin soft and such?

Certainly the front office did a great job drafting couple of promising pests for the future, but I'm not looking to a 21 y old Brennan Othmann to give the team balls on the ice.
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Laf has played with an edge his entire junior career. He’s not suddenly gonna avoid the corners or front of the net.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Do y'all think this injection of meanness and grit provided by Reaves, will be gone next season, when he's off the roster? Or will he have acted as an injection of bite, that rubbed off enough, as to last us 10 years or so?

Like Trouba going back to Charmin soft and such?

Certainly the front office did a great job drafting couple of promising pests for the future, but I'm not looking to a 21 y old Brennan Othmann to give the team balls on the ice.
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I’m not convinced Reaves will be off the roster next season.
 
Barnaby said:
That’s ludicrous. This is classic HF. Pavelski… a ppg player with a ton of playoff experience and playoff success doesn’t get a 1st? That’s just ludicrous and completely ignores the reality of the market.

Mind you, I’m not advocating that for the Rangers as we sit here today but the guy is a phenomenal player and would bring back something significant if the team fell apart and decided to move him.
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Everything we know about the limited impact these players have on a deep PO run, regardless of their current productivity or playoff experience, trading one 1st round pick is completely wasteful. Trading 2 is asinine
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
A huge issue re: the draft and "bad teams" is that there are teams that intentionally attempt to be as bad as possible. That may not happen in the locker room, but management/front office of some teams the goal is to be as bad as possible to get a higher pick. That sort of nonsense should not be rewarded. Those teams drag revenue down and then expect hand outs through revenue sharing and top picks in the draft.

Those teams, and that action should be penalized.

The push back is going to be "how can you prove those teams intentionally tanked". Anyone with even slight knowledge of the sport can tell.

This is why fans were so outraged that the Rangers got the number one overall pick. Because the Rangers didn't defile themselves by trying to be as bad as possible. The fans of the tanking teams couldn't believe that their attempt at being pathetic failed.

Why should front offices be rewarded for trying to lose? Even the points structure in this league rewards failure and mediocrity. There shouldn't be a point for losing games. Games shouldn't go from being worth 2 points to 3 points just because it went past regulation.

The draft lottery for #1 overall should be for the top 5 teams in league standings. Reward effort. If they want 3 points handed out in games then make regulation worth 3 points, split the 1 point for OT and SO and then "loss point".

Parity is one of the biggest lies in the NHL. Look at the Stanley Cup champions and the Conference finalists over the last two decades, more, and then try to come to the conclusion that parity exists. Which is why the cap is a joke. We've had several mini dynasties the last 20 years. The cap isn't making parity, the teams that keep winning find ways to circumvent the cap.

CHI 3
PIT 3
LAK 2
TBL 2

That's just Cup wins, it's worse when you look at CF appearances. Teams like Washington and Boston have gotten there multiple times. Even the Rangers got to the CF a handful of times.

There are definite flaws with the whole structure.
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Parity isn't the number of teams winning the cup. Parity is the number of various teams entering the playoffs.
Aside from buffalo I believe every single NHL team has been in the playoffs (and won a round) in the past 10 years.

Rewarding the top 5 teams with the best incoming talent is the best way to have no fans of bad teams.
No sport would even consider that.
The point of new young talent is to infuse a team with talent thats struggling.
I'm not arguing that tanking isnt against what we want. But your idea is worse than tanking. It would likely cause contraction.
As fans of the sport, we should want more fans, new teams, because it would push the cap up, because it would generate new revenue. Because it would make the sport better.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Parity isn't the number of teams winning the cup. Parity is the number of various teams entering the playoffs.
Aside from buffalo I believe every single NHL team has been in the playoffs (and won a round) in the past 10 years.

Rewarding the top 5 teams with the best incoming talent is the best way to have no fans of bad teams.
No sport would even consider that.
The point of new young talent is to infuse a team with talent thats struggling.
I'm not arguing that tanking isnt against what we want. But your idea is worse than tanking. It would likely cause contraction.
As fans of the sport, we should want more fans, new teams, because it would push the cap up, because it would generate new revenue. Because it would make the sport better.
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No what keeps fans away and keeps new fans from watching are teams intentionally losing games to be as bad as possible. When a season is over before it begins people have no interest in wasting their time on that team.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
No what keeps fans away and keeps new fans from watching are teams intentionally losing games to be as bad as possible. When a season is over before it begins people have no interest in wasting their time on that team.
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Every major sport has that. And it doesn’t drive fans away. You argue like hockey is the only sport that this happens.
 
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