Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVII: Lot’s of Fools in April

[EdJovanovski]

Assets you'd have to give up and Zibs is a much better 2way player

I don’t get where this meme about Eichel being poor defensively came from lol
There’s been a lot of posts on our board saying he’s one dimensional and horrible defensively, I’ve never seen this critique of him before and he was on multiple lists for potential Selke winners before the season started lol

 

[MrAlmost]

I'm actually seriously asking. I seem to hold Hajek is higher regard than some. Most?

Oh. Haha. I would say Soucy is better right now. He is more physical for sure. A hitter and shot blocker. But he is also older and more expensive. Older by 2 years to be exact, which is quite a bit for players in their mid-20s. Was thinking about guys that would be good partners for Lundqvist if he is ready to play next year.

At the end of the day though the argument could be made that Hajek is the better option due to age, cost and potential. Just spitballin.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

If you sign Zib for 9 a season why not have an Eichel at 10?

I genuinely am not sold that Eichel is the more impactful hockey player. He’s a bit younger, but he is a leader, is he a winner? Zibby has turned into a very special player for this team.

 

[Dijock94]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

absolutely not. Shiny new toy syndrome.

 

[MrAlmost]

Z is the better player overall. Eichel wouldn't know what the defensive zone was if he wasn't watching video of the Sabres getting scored on so much.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Is Carson Soucy really an upgrade over Hajek?

Big time.

 

[haveandare]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

I think the value would be in the years each could likely score points like that. Imo Strome has 2-3 left max while Eichel likely has a lot more. Not sold on trading for him really but that’s the value in theory

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I genuinely am not sold that Eichel is the more impactful hockey player. He’s a bit younger, but he is a leader, is he a winner? Zibby has turned into a very special player for this team.

If we're talking Rick Nash type trade where we trade a couple grinders and a 1st, ok let's talk.

If you are talking multiple blue chip players on offense and D? Hell no, especially taking on a 10 mil cap hit. Looking at a flat or roughly flat cap for a couple years, the best thing every team needs now is players on ELC and short RFA contracts to weather the cap crunch.

We arent trading for a proven winner and leader like Messier. The difference in Ziba or Strome vs Eichel isnt significant enough for long term cost. Eichel struggles to stay on the ice.

 

[haveandare]

This is probably right, unfortunately. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow though depending on the return.

What is the Rangers window for winning? I think the answer to that question is debatable but Buch for futures probably doesn’t align with it.

This team trading a first line player and banking on a rookie stepping in to replace them doesn’t sound likely at all looking at how they’re been easing in young forwards

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

Strome is having a fantastic season. But in no way, shape or form is he a better player than Eichel, on top of the fact that this is the best that Strome is ever going to be and Eichel not even in his prime yet has done better.

 

[Raspewtin]

absolutely not. Shiny new toy syndrome.

This is disingenuous. There are a lot of things Eichel does better than Strome while scoring at a higher rate than Strome for basically his whole career, while being three years younger.

You don't need to want Eichel but this is ridiculous.

He'd walk onto this roster and instantly be a top 3 player. Strome isn't even a top 5 player on this roster.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The whiplash on this place is great lol

ya’ll are gonna be going back to complaining that Strome is ass when he goes back to playing as such, which is inevitable because he’s Ryan Strome lol

 

[Ruggs225]

I think we DQ should go with this lineup to get Kravy some games and balance out youth with vets.

panarin-strome-kakko
Laf-zib-buch
Kreider-chytil-kravy

4 line of interchangeable parts. I dont care who, Just stop playing them so much at a even strength and, for offensive zone faceoffs and when we are down a goal with under 10 min left.


Also i think DQ needs to get Laf on PP2. I would remove Miller and just go with one dman in trouba.

The reason i pick trouba over miller is
1. Righty shot
2. Big shot
3. Cant run 4 rookies at once.
4. I dont see miller ever developing into a PP specialist.
5. Lundkvist will replace trouba in this spot next year

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think it all comes down to cost. The Rangers will be able to afford Zib long term and Eichel if that's how they wanted to allocate their budget (unless Zbad wants north of $10MM). The money will be there to resign the younger players.

It comes down to cost. Will the cost be something like Chytil, One of Lundkvist or Schneider, one of Jones/Robertson and a 1st? Or will it be Buch, Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st? Or even more.

I think I pull the trigger if it's the former, and move Strome to recoup some of the assets lost. Or keep Strome for next season as a self rental and go all in to try to win next season.

 

[CupSeeker]

Are we really comparing Strome to Eichel? This fanbase is nuts. Eichel is an amazing talent. Not sure if he is the right fit if we have Zib, but why diminish how dominant he is when healthy?

 

[Kodiak]

I think it all comes down to cost. The Rangers will be able to afford Zib long term and Eichel if that's how they wanted to allocate their budget (unless Zbad wants north of $10MM). The money will be there to resign the younger players.

I'm struggling to see how we can pay 2 #1 centers, Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, in addition to whatever Fox and Shesterkin are going to make on their next contracts, and have space to resign our other young players as they become more productive. I'd love to see a scenario where we could fit Zibanejad and Eichel without handcuffing ourselves later, but I don't see it. It's an either or scenario.

 

[Peltz]

I am curious at how many more points people think Eichel will score over Strome. Strome would be on pace for 77 points over 82 games. Now consider the cost to get him plus the difference in salary.

Is it worth the extra X number of points?

Hells no.

 

[bbny]

Strome has played admirably, but long term if I can get Eichel and Zibanejad down the middle I am making it happen. With that said, if the Rangers choose to ride with Strome it is hard to blame them at this point.

 

[Edge]

I'm struggling to see how we can pay 2 #1 centers, Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, in addition to whatever Fox and Shesterkin are going to make on their next contracts, and have space to resign our other young players as they become more productive. I'd love to see a scenario where we could fit Zibanejad and Eichel without handcuffing ourselves later, but I don't see it. It's an either or scenario.

I guess in the broadest sense we "could" have both Eichel and Zibanejad on the roster. But it would require massive shifts elsewhere and probably moving a few other contracts.

In the end we're looking at an either/or situation. I do really like Eichel, but the cost is going to be big and the upheaval will be far-reaching.

The more I think about it, the more gun-shy I get about going that direction.

 

[Peltz]

Strome is having a fantastic season. But in no way, shape or form is he a better player than Eichel, on top of the fact that this is the best that Strome is ever going to be and Eichel not even in his prime yet has done better.

You don't build a cup contender by having elite-level contracts at every position. Sure, maybe you go for Eichel if we didn't sign Kreider or Trouba. But we did. And here we are.

The bottom line is, we cannot afford him. Zib vs Eichel - choose one.

 

[Kodiak]

I guess in the broadest sense we "could" have both Eichel and Zibanejad on the roster. But it would require massive shifts elsewhere and probably moving a few other contracts.

In the end we're looking at an either/or situation. I do really like Eichel, but the cost is going to be and the upheaval will be far-reaching.

The more I think about it, the more gun-shy I get about going that direction.

It's definitely a risky move and I'm not 100% sold on it. Here is the question I keep coming back to and why I find the idea of trading for Eichel hard to dismiss: Is our contention window in Zibanejad's prime years or after them?

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t get where this meme about Eichel being poor defensively came from lol
There’s been a lot of posts on our board saying he’s one dimensional and horrible defensively, I’ve never seen this critique of him before and he was on multiple lists for potential Selke winners before the season started lol

He's not good enough defensively to lead the team as Zibanejad does. He's somewhere in between Chytil and Strome. We have major matchup issues on this team. We use our top6 for all scenarios. Swapping Zibs and Eichel, we become a weaker team/

 

[bobbop]

What do we think the ask would be for Goat? He seems to be starting to "get it" in terms of how he needs to play at this level to be effective...

Would we be looking for a LHD that's sort along the same path as him?

I'd probably look first for a similar profile (Big RW, young) who plays a different game. More physical, better defensively.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I'd probably look first for a similar profile (Big RW, young) who plays a different game. More physical, better defensively.

So trade for a better player haha