Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVI: Spring into action (GMJG outta hibernation?)

[jay from jersey]

He questioned his usage. He should. Good for him to let the coaches know that he wants more icetime.

I happen to agree with him.

 

[Harbour Dog]

None of the above is part of Chytil's quote.

Adding context from a question about his hand, he wants to play more, knows to works hard(er) and also knows better than to complain about his hand if he wants that. The rest is out if his control. That's it.

That posted quote was quite out of context, then. I never seen the interview.

That looks like a generic hockey answer; nothing to see, in that case.

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

If Kakko/Laf/Chytil look unnoticeable tonight and they lose, get ready for the implosion lol, even more posters might retire after that.

 

[Avery16]

 

[kovazub94]

That posted quote was quite out of context, then. I never seen the interview.

That looks like a generic hockey answer; nothing to see, in that case.

Yup, there really wasn't anything it that quote but then this place got a hold of it and decided to "interpret" / read "between the lines".

 

[smoneil]

Chytil has every right to be upset. He's upped his production rate significantly from last season, and the response from his coach was to slash his minutes. He's playing fewer minutes per game than he did last season.

I want to see KZB on the first, Panarin--Chytil--Kakko on the 2nd line, and Laf--Strome--Kravtsov on the 3rd. Hot line gets additional shifts, with the other two lines playing about the same at 5-5. Set the lines and don't f***ing touch them for ten games. Evaluate from there. Let these kids unclench and get comfortable for a change.

 

[Kravtsov420]

So you bring up Andersson who has done nothing for another organization but "forget' to bring up Chytil? Lol's

You know what's the difference between Buchnevich, to a degree Chytil (because Czech is a still at least a couple of years removed from reaching his prime) vs Kakko, Kravtsov and Lafreniere? The latter three just barely had anytime in the NHL as a group and individually and at this point Buch / Chytil reference is good to keep in mind to set a "timer" for when being impatient or unsatisfied with theie development could be appropriate.

For now all you need is to take something to calm the f*** down.

I’m calm, dog. Chytil has shown some flashes, but it’s crazy we’re still at a point whether we are questioning if he is a center or a winger.

 

[kovazub94]

You guys have been getting really unnecessarily snippy and antagonistic the last few pages.

Im as unhappy with some of the kids offensive play as anyone, but it’s not worth getting in shouting matches about.

You're right.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m calm, dog. Chytil has shown some flashes, but it’s crazy we’re still at a point whether we are questioning if he is a center or a winger.

Who's questioning whether he's a center or a winger AT THIS point?

Edit: And tbh it doesn't matter - the point was we NEED to go back to Buchnevich and Chytil's development for reference because it's way to early to be "concerned" let alone come up with a "conclusion" on the development of Kakko, Lafreniere or Kravtsov because it's way too early.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I wish I could like this post twice, lol!

 

[Kravtsov420]

Who's questioning whether he's a center or a winger AT THIS point?

Edit: And tbh it doesn't matter - the point was we NEED to go back to Buchnevich and Chytil's development for reference because it's way to early to be "concerned" let alone come up with a "conclusion" on the development of Kakko, Lafreniere or Kravtsov because it's way too early.

You’re not concerned, in the slightest ? And let’s be clear, I’m the last one to call any of them busts. I want that to be and believe it to be the farthest from the truth as possible. However, I don’t agree with trying to make them all Patrice Bergeron as soon as they get into the league. While circumstances are slightly different here, with us having some players already in Mika, Kreider, etc., the league template in developing offensive Star forwards is different. They will develop the offensive side of the game first, and then the defensive side can be learned later on. It’s the opposite here. You could see it that they are timid on the ice and afraid to make mistakes. Human psychology tells us that this will result in reinforcement of these habits while sacrificing other parts of their game. I’m afraid, they’re going to go too far down that rabbit hole to remember what got them here in the first place.

The main point being, you can always get defensive forwards who won’t bring a lot or anything offensively, but it’s having the elite offensive talent that separates the contenders, from the pretenders. You should not want all of your forwards to be Patrice Bergeron or defensive stalwarts. And there is a directional misconception at the top of that is true. There’s a difference between being defensively responsible, and going overboard with it in sacrificing everything else for it as a priority.

 

[Savant]

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Who's questioning whether he's a center or a winger AT THIS point?

Edit: And tbh it doesn't matter - the point was we NEED to go back to Buchnevich and Chytil's development for reference because it's way to early to be "concerned" let alone come up with a "conclusion" on the development of Kakko, Lafreniere or Kravtsov because it's way too early.

I think it’s a fair question.

 

[Raspewtin]

You guys have been getting really unnecessarily snippy and antagonistic the last few pages.

Im as unhappy with some of the kids offensive play as anyone, but it’s not worth getting in shouting matches about.

 

[kovazub94]

You’re not concerned, in the slightest ? ...

No, not at the moment because of the other developmental examples we had from recent / current prospects with a few more years under their belts and because this season was so drastically impacted by Covid.

Another factor is that even vets started to play better (offensively) under Quinn - Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Strome. Whether you want to give Quinn credit for it or not, objectively they all better players than they were before playing for Quinn.

 

[kovazub94]

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I think it’s a fair question.

If you think so - you're an outlier. There could've been a poll on this a year ago. Check it out, do another poll, etc.. The way Chytil's been discussed from roster building now and in the future it's got to be over 90% conclusion that he's a bona fide C.

 

[duhmetreE]

Again, Kravtsov is further along in development and is coming in off 2 seasons (including the current one) as a good to offensive player that has actually been competing and producing at a high level in a top three league in the world. You'd be talking about a 21 year old that's coming in off playing very well in the KHL vs a 19 year old that really hasn't done much in the NHL in two years. I'm not dismissing Kakko at all, I just don't see why it is an issue to not put him in that elevated role in a position he has already been struggling in. He can get his reps on the 3rd line and figure things out. At this point he needs to work through this and figure it out, that 3 on 1 the other night is a perfect example: he makes a great play at the line to steal the puck and lead the rush and then doesn't even get a shot on goal on a 3 on 1. He needs to figure it out...

How about Kravtsov practices first and we'll go from there.

In the meantime, Kakko over Blackwell.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

How about Kravtsov practices first and we'll go from there.

In the meantime, Kakko over Blackwell.

Nope. I demand to know his future career point totals now.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Wish it was Chiclets instead, don’t even know who these guys are

 

[kovazub94]

Paraphrasing Valli - you don't know what kind of prospect you have until he plays 200 games in the league.

 

[Savant]

If you think so - you're an outlier. There could've been a poll on this a year ago. Check it out, do another poll, etc.. The way Chytil's been discussed from roster building now and in the future it's got to be over 90% conclusion that he's a bona fide C.

I think people WANT him to be a center. I don’t know if that’s what is matching on ice results. He isn’t a great passer. He isn’t elevating his line mates. He isn’t great defensively. Why is he 100% a center?

 

[effen]

I think people WANT him to be a center. I don’t know if that’s what is matching on ice results. He isn’t a great passer. He isn’t elevating his line mates. He isn’t great defensively. Why is he 100% a center?

Wishcasting.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think people WANT him to be a center. I don’t know if that’s what is matching on ice results. He isn’t a great passer. He isn’t elevating his line mates. He isn’t great defensively. Why is he 100% a center?

Mostly because we missed on Lias and have no others.

 

[kovazub94]

I think people WANT him to be a center. I don’t know if that’s what is matching on ice results. He isn’t a great passer. He isn’t elevating his line mates. He isn’t great defensively. Why is he 100% a center?

Yup, and he’s barely a 3rd liner at that.

I don’t know your standards for evaluating 21-year old but he does make his linemates better, he does make good passes and he does play well defensively.

Trust me when I say - it will be he same situation as with Buchnevich when all of sudden he’s outstanding NHLer without a need for any kind of “prospect”, “young” etc qualifiers.

 

[Savant]

Yup, and he’s barely a 3rd liner at that.

I don’t know your standards for evaluating 21-year old but he does make his linemates better, he does make good passes and he does play well defensively.

Trust me when I say - it will be he same situation as with Buchnevich when all of sudden he’s outstanding NHLer without a need for any kind of “prospect”, “young” etc qualifiers.

My standards are that he is centering a 1st overall pick and a 2nd overall pick over a block of games and no one is producing.

 

[Avery16]

Wish it was Chiclets instead, don’t even know who these guys are

Cam Janssen and a Blues beat reporter. They get some great guests!