Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVI: Spring into action (GMJG outta hibernation?)

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I don’t like Quinn, but the idea that he’s holding players back offensively is pretty f***ing stupid.

We don’t just play dump and chase hockey. Look at when Panarin or Zbad are gaining the blue line on our entries. It’s not NORF SOUF. Sometimes it’s EAFT WEFT with them. You think Quinn told his locker room those are the only guys allowed to get creative in the offensive zone?
I didn’t say Quinn, and for a reason. It seems to be coming from higher up. It’s this idea that the rest of the league knows nothing of developing Star talent but the Rangers who have never had the luxury to draft that talent until now all of a sudden has blueprints that the rest of the league doesn’t? Because looking around the league it’s a VERY different approach on how top talent is cultivated.
 
Kakko has been playing okay but no producing, Kratsov is coming in from a very solid season in the 2nd or 3rd best league in the world, and given his age, adjustments he's made in his game since his first NA attempt, and the fact Kakko really hasn't accomplished anything on the wing of that line I think Kratsov should be plugged right in. This isn't some plug coming over from the MHL or something, and this kid has made the changes to his game that he was asked to focus on. He should be treated every bit like a top ten pick that has done everything asked of him, produced at a high level in other top leagues, and someone with the skill to play on that spot in the lineup. I honestly am not sure why kakko "deserves" the spot. I want him to deserve it, but if he cant slot their over Blackwell right now than I dont see why he would over kratsov. I think a lot of people are sleeping on kratsov bc he's been in europe and we have several newer toys to fixate on, this kid has the potential to be a real player and is in his D+3 season. It is time to give him a chance to flourish and find out what we have here bc it is surely going to impact what the do with buch in some way depending if he excels or struggles mightily. Kratsov would easily be a top 2-3 prospect in most NHL systems right now...
He can't slot their over Blackwell because Quinn is fixated on filling that RW spot with a bottom6 retriever. Fast last year, Blackwell this year.

Kravtsov could be there eventually, but coming straight into the top6 and slotting in with Panarin, is a slap to the face for Kakko imo.
 
I didn’t say Quinn, and for a reason. It seems to be coming from higher up. It’s this idea that the rest of the league knows nothing of developing Star talent but the Rangers who have never had the luxury to draft that talent until now all of a sudden has blueprints that the rest of the league doesn’t? Because looking around the league it’s a VERY different approach on how top talent is cultivated.
Laf is in a different situation than most 1st OA’s. He has Panarin and Kreider ahead of him on the depth chart. He also didn’t play hockey for like 10 months at a critical age in his development.

Most 1st and 2nd OA’s start their careers on shittier teams than ours and are spoon fed more ice time and longer leashes.

This organization doesn’t want to throw these kids right into the fire just yet. We don’t know if that approach is going to help them or hurt them in the long term. We’ll see.
 
He can't slot their over Blackwell because Quinn is fixated on filling that RW spot with a bottom6 retriever. Fast last year, Blackwell this year.

Kravtsov could be there eventually, but coming straight into the top6 and slotting in with Panarin, is a slap to the face for Kakko imo.
Why would it be a slap to kakko? He has had multiple shots there and hasn't done anything to justify the position, nothing. Kratsov isn't some 4th round hailmary plug , he is a former top 10 pick that is more developed than kakko is right now and has been consistently putting up points in a top 3 league world wide. Blackwell playing in that spot right now is more of a "slap in the face" than having another supremely talented and more developed player taking that place over kakko. Honestly, kakko has done nothing for me to worry about his feelings. He is in the big boy league, you want more minutes then start producing ANYTHING with the ones you have. And it isn't like he is playing with scrubs, he is literally playing with other players that this boards constantly says are so good but they just need better line mates. They are kids going through growing pains, but lets stop trying to constantly make excuses for them and worry about their feelings. They need to earn some of this as well...
 
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...no ones scared of paying buch a career underachiever who’s finally breaking out in a contract year? That story is as old as the test of time.
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Back to making shit up again? Buch was breaking out last year when he didn't get a chance to finish the season and if you adjust / smooth out for last year's no luck December and extra luck this March - he's at the same level well into the second season.

I guess he started overachieving to get a big next contract as soon as he signed his current.
 
IF they slot him on the 4th line that would be about as poor a decision as I could imagine. For all the complaints with the coaching staff I really cant even picture that happening in this case. I really cant

Are you talking about Kravtsov? Where did you see anyone on the coaching staff saying he'll be slotted on a 4th line for the remainder of the season?
 
Back to making shit up again? Buch was breaking out last year when he didn't get a chance to finish the season and if you adjust / smooth out for last year's no luck December and extra luck this March - he's at the same level well into the second season.

I guess he started overachieving to get a big next contract as soon as he signed his current.
Last year clearly did not count because it was less than 70 games long. This season clearly does not count because it's less than 60 games. And if really want to be technical about it, Buch started to plot is break out back in 2017
 
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The Buchnevich point will only hold so long. One forward vs., Anderson, Kakko, Laf, and god forbid Kravtsov - keep talking about Buch. What’s the chance all of the forwards we drafted were busts? Seems like somethings rotten from the head down. But yea BuChNeViCh will save the franchise lmao

So you bring up Andersson who has done nothing for another organization but "forget' to bring up Chytil? Lol's

You know what's the difference between Buchnevich, to a degree Chytil (because Czech is a still at least a couple of years removed from reaching his prime) vs Kakko, Kravtsov and Lafreniere? The latter three just barely had anytime in the NHL as a group and individually and at this point Buch / Chytil reference is good to keep in mind to set a "timer" for when being impatient or unsatisfied with theie development could be appropriate.

For now all you need is to take something to calm the f*** down.
 
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You're whining about 18/19/20 year olds while our leading scorer didn't start to figure things out until he was 24. Not my fault you have the patience of a toddler and apparently think that dOiNg ThIS does anything but make you look like a complete moron. :laugh:

I wish I could give you two likes - one for the message and the second for the bolded, lol!
 
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Last year clearly did not count because it was less than 70 games long. This season clearly does not count because it's less than 60 games. And if really want to be technical about it, Buch started to plot is break out back in 2017

We're actually responding to Gorton who's going to make this argument about the last two seasons and Buchnevich will have no choice but to accept a 6 year deal at under $4m AAV.
 
Are you talking about Kravtsov? Where did you see anyone on the coaching staff saying he'll be slotted on a 4th line for the remainder of the season?
I didn't but some people are already assuming he is going to be scratched for howden. I'm saying he should be put right on the 2rw with strome and panarin...
 
Columbus gave Bjorkstrand 5yr/27m before the season started. That might be best case scenario as a comp for Buchnevich
 
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Why would it be a slap to kakko? He has had multiple shots there and hasn't done anything to justify the position, nothing. Kratsov isn't some 4th round hailmary plug , he is a former top 10 pick that is more developed than kakko is right now and has been consistently putting up points in a top 3 league world wide. Blackwell playing in that spot right now is more of a "slap in the face" than having another supremely talented and more developed player taking that place over kakko. Honestly, kakko has done nothing for me to worry about his feelings. He is in the big boy league, you want more minutes then start producing ANYTHING with the ones you have. And it isn't like he is playing with scrubs, he is literally playing with other players that this boards constantly says are so good but they just need better line mates. They are kids going through growing pains, but lets stop trying to constantly make excuses for them and worry about their feelings. They need to earn some of this as well...
I'm the last person to make excuses for the kids. I'm tired of excuses in general. Excuses are for losers, no one has a clear path to success.

I'd like to see Kakko with Panarin... as in todays game... If and when Kravtsov is ready and Blackwell is still on that line, sure. That's a week or two away, I have severe doubts he's plugged in right away with Panarin.
 
No problem with what Chytil said at all. With absolute minimal effort, and almost exclusively at the cost of our 4th line, they could have gotten the Kid Line an extra 3-4 shifts last game. And they were playing well enough to deserve it.

And maybe playing our unproductive PP1 for two minutes is also annoying the guys on PP2. Can't blame them.

None of the above is part of Chytil's quote.

Adding context from a question about his hand, he wants to play more, knows to works hard(er) and also knows better than to complain about his hand if he wants that. The rest is out if his control. That's it.
 
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I'm the last person to make excuses for the kids. I'm tired of excuses in general. Excuses are for losers, no one has a clear path to success.

I'd like to see Kakko with Panarin... as in todays game... If and when Kravtsov is ready and Blackwell is still on that line, sure. That's a week or two away, I have severe doubts he's plugged in right away with Panarin.
But I will say it again, KK has done nothing at all to earn that spot, and when he's gotten chances he has done nothing to keep it for an extended period. I think his best place right now is on the kid line but IF that line starts getting more minutes. One of the big issues with the team right now is it still sees itself as fighting for a playoff spot, which for all intents and purposes is over at this point short of having an insane run. But until they see that inevitability they are going to trot out PT based on best chance to win and not development. I am not saying that is right, but it is pretty obvious that is what they are doing. I think once we are eliminated we may see some more flexibility with slotting kids in different opportunities, and getting them more PP time. Again, I am not saying the way it is being handled right now is correct, it just is what it is...
 
I didn't but some people are already assuming he is going to be scratched for howden. I'm saying he should be put right on the 2rw with strome and panarin...

Kravtsov has absolutely nothing to do with Howden.

Otherwise, if someone made a moronic statement then please don't seriously respond - responding to it would make you post also look "in kind"

P.S. Sorry for the last part.
 
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But I will say it again, KK has done nothing at all to earn that spot, and when he's gotten chances he has done nothing to keep it for an extended period. I think his best place right now is on the kid line but IF that line starts getting more minutes. One of the big issues with the team right now is it still sees itself as fighting for a playoff spot, which for all intents and purposes is over at this point short of having an insane run. But until they see that inevitability they are going to trot out PT based on best chance to win and not development. I am not saying that is right, but it is pretty obvious that is what they are doing. I think once we are eliminated we may see some more flexibility with slotting kids in different opportunities, and getting them more PP time. Again, I am not saying the way it is being handled right now is correct, it just is what it is...
neither has Kravtsov. He hasn't even practiced with the team yet.

I agree, he's done nothing offensively and he's been a perimeter player. That entire kid line has struggled. The point is to try and jump start him. If it doesn't work, so be it.

Nothing is permanent... especially with Quinn.. it may not even last a period.
 
neither has Kravtsov. He hasn't even practiced with the team yet.

I agree, he's done nothing offensively and he's been a perimeter player. That entire kid line has struggled. The point is to try and jump start him. If it doesn't work, so be it.

Nothing is permanent... especially with Quinn.. it may not even last a period.
I have a lot of things to say about Kakko but this is certainly not one of them. In fact I'd say he's one of the grittiest and most willing to take punishment players on the team.
 
I have a lot of things to say about Kakko but this is certainly not one of them. In fact I'd say he's one of the grittiest and most willing to take punishment players on the team.
Ok, doesn't change the fact that he's been living on the perimeter. Doesn't mean he cant or wont go to the middle... He just hasn't. His last game was a little better. The only guy I see going to the high slot/middle of the ice is Buchnevich. It's like pulling teeth with this team
 


Lol, I made a post in Kravtsov's thread with this Twitter post from Alex in real time. What does it proof?

Wasn't there Chara's one-on-one break on the Rangers just a couple of days ago? Care to develop a conclusion?
 
neither has Kravtsov. He hasn't even practiced with the team yet.

I agree, he's done nothing offensively and he's been a perimeter player. That entire kid line has struggled. The point is to try and jump start him. If it doesn't work, so be it.

Nothing is permanent... especially with Quinn.. it may not even last a period.
Again, Kravtsov is further along in development and is coming in off 2 seasons (including the current one) as a good to offensive player that has actually been competing and producing at a high level in a top three league in the world. You'd be talking about a 21 year old that's coming in off playing very well in the KHL vs a 19 year old that really hasn't done much in the NHL in two years. I'm not dismissing Kakko at all, I just don't see why it is an issue to not put him in that elevated role in a position he has already been struggling in. He can get his reps on the 3rd line and figure things out. At this point he needs to work through this and figure it out, that 3 on 1 the other night is a perfect example: he makes a great play at the line to steal the puck and lead the rush and then doesn't even get a shot on goal on a 3 on 1. He needs to figure it out...
 
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