Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Extending Mika is lunacy given how viciously he avoids contact now. By design or necessity that's not a guy who will do anything in the playoffs.

If you look at the C position as one to allocate 15M or so to you realize the top 2 Cs a few years from now probably aren't on the team.

One of them is certainly not Chytil, dude has no vision or playmaking ability. His technical passing ability seems ok but it's years and there's just some creativity that doesn't exist that you need in a top 6 center. If he's a C it's a 3rd line, and more likely it's him and Buch packaged for a real top line guy. At least IMO.

Literally the most recent goal this team has scored as of the time of your post was a direct result of outstanding vision, patience, and passing on his behalf, but okay.

 

[JohnC]

Lock Shesty in at 50 over 8 (6.25)

Lock Chytil in at 26 over 6 (4.33)

Lock in Buch at 36 over 6 (6.0)

Lock in Lindgren at 22 over 5 (4.4)

Stop giving out NTC's like a doctor handing out scripts for oxy

How often are players signing long term contracts without trade/movement protection clauses in the UFA years? I’d imagine not very often at all

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Kravtsov Kakko

something I never knew I wanted.

 

[duhmetreE]

Speaking of Dvo, what is Arizona doing? Is he someone who could potentially be pulled away from them?

I'd have no problem headlining a package with Nils for him.

From what I heard anything that can save them cash...

@bobbop knows best

I don't know about giving up Lundkvist for him. Jones though, yes

 

[duhmetreE]

One of them is certainly not Chytil, dude has no vision or playmaking ability. His technical passing ability seems ok but it's years and there's just some creativity that doesn't exist that you need in a top 6 center. If he's a C it's a 3rd line, and more likely it's him and Buch packaged for a real top line guy. At least IMO.

I agree on the Chytil front.... but I still think it can work with the wingers we have -or- if he moves back to wing. I envision him, stylistically, similar to Kreider. He's a valuable asset if deployed properly and with complimentary linemates.

I've always been suspect of his IQ, vision and playmaking... ( it can most definitely still improve ) but if we can play to his strengths and his linemates make up for his 'weaknesses', it could work. Once again, similar to Kreider

 

[effen]

Literally the most recent goal this team has scored as of the time of your post was a direct result of outstanding vision, patience, and passing on his behalf, but okay.

You are what you consistently do.

 

[Raspewtin]

Extending Mika is lunacy given how viciously he avoids contact now. By design or necessity that's not a guy who will do anything in the playoffs.

If you look at the C position as one to allocate 15M or so to you realize the top 2 Cs a few years from now probably aren't on the team.

One of them is certainly not Chytil, dude has no vision or playmaking ability. His technical passing ability seems ok but it's years and there's just some creativity that doesn't exist that you need in a top 6 center. If he's a C it's a 3rd line, and more likely it's him and Buch packaged for a real top line guy. At least IMO.

honestly if I read only your posts I'd think the entire team is a bunch of soft unskilled losers lol

 

[True Blue]

Wallstedt is on a level of talent of Knight and Askarov. We dont have any legitimate goalie depth in our system, Garand is interesting but still pretty raw, and Wall or Huska haven't shown to be anything significant thus far. None of the forwards, especially those available in the teens, project as more than middle 6 players. If Wallstedt falls to us in the teens we would be foolish not to take him as hed be the BPA. And I generally don't like drafting goalies with high picks (that lindblom pick was awful)

Wallstedt is a good deal higher on the talent level than either Knight or Askarov. The kid could be the best goalie prospect in the last 25 years. He is that good. Outside the top-5, I would grab him any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Another benefit is that he would be able to give certain cost certainty with Igor.

 

[effen]

I agree on the Chytil front.... but I still think it can work with the wingers we have -or- if he moves back to wing. I envision him, stylistically, similar to Kreider. He's a valuable asset if deployed properly and with complimentary linemates.

I've always been suspect of his IQ, vision and playmaking... ( it can most definitely still improve ) but if we can play to his strengths and his linemates make up for his 'weaknesses', it could work. Once again, similar to Kreider

You can certainly make it work (Panarin does center stuff) but you can't have too many guys who need that crutch and there are few Panarins. There's a reason most people see his future at wing -- he's really good at winger stuff! Let him be that!

 

[apoptygma]

Looking at TBL's Capfriendly page, they need to do something this offseason aswell (unless it is Stamkos turn to get a surgery). They look weak on RD and need to shed salary. Could something around Lundkvist for Cirelli work?
Feels like Cirelli fits the mold of the 2-way canter we need, and he is only 23 with 2 years left on a contract that ends while he still is a RFA. Will have to break up Strome- Panarin, but with Strome showing last year was not a flash in the pan he should have a bit higher value this offseason.

 

[duhmetreE]

honestly if I read only your posts I'd think the entire team is a bunch of soft unskilled losers lol

well... we've been a finesse perimeter team.

 

[Siddi]

Extending Mika is lunacy given how viciously he avoids contact now. By design or necessity that's not a guy who will do anything in the playoffs.

Wait what! He is consistently our best fore checker and opposed to someone like Kreider he is actually using his size.

 

[effen]

honestly if I read only your posts I'd think the entire team is a bunch of soft unskilled losers lol

My vision is for a well rounded difficult to play team with durability and adaptability up and down the lineup.

You can have 3-5 exceptional guys carry a team to the middle of the pack, happens all the time. It's happening now with Panarin ,Fox, Shesty, etc. Top of the league requires all hands pulling in the same direction and a lot of this teams hands don't have the gumption to do it. You are what you consistently do.

 

[effen]

Wait what! He is consistently our best fore checker and opposed to someone like Kreider he is actually using his size.

I suspect your mental image of Mika is one from last year when your assertion would be absolutely correct. He peels off almost every time nowadays. It's the way its been my dude.

 

[Rongomania]

Krav came into the NHL and looks solid as a winger at 21 years old. No idea why you'd want him to switch positions when he's never played a substantial amount of games at C.

Keep him on the winger track. I honestly cannot remember the last team who potentially looked this lethal on the wings. Ever.

 

[tomobson]

I think Chytil's vision and playmaking problems are overblown. He plays an extreme north south game but I think a lot of that has to do so he makes sure he stays in Quinn's good graces honestly. Confidence is an issue here. He's expressed many times before that he's not sure why he's not getting more minutes and he can only play when Quinn puts him out there. He doesn't want to giveaway the puck in the offensive zone trying to make a nice pass so instead he goes for a quick shot on net or to make a deke to open up for a shot on net or to he just cycles the puck. Which to be fair, is what you expect a good third line to do. Get in their zone and cycle and not try to be overly fancy. I think he's playing to his role and until he gets given a role that allows him more playmaking freedom I'm not sure what more we can ask of him. I wish he had stayed in Europe and developed outside of this system like Kravtsov has done tbh.

 

[effen]

Feels like Cirelli fits the mold of the 2-way canter we need, and he is only 23 with 2 years left on a contract that ends while he still is a RFA. Will have to break up Strome- Panarin, but with Strome showing last year was not a flash in the pan he should have a bit higher value this offseason.

Why not keep Strome and trade Mika for [stuff]? I don't see Strome getting traded for anything thats worth the tradeoff losing his production, Panarin-juiced or not.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My vision is for a well rounded difficult to play team with durability and adaptability up and down the lineup.

You can have 3-5 exceptional guys carry a team to the middle of the pack, happens all the time. It's happening now with Panarin ,Fox, Shesty, etc. Top of the league requires all hands pulling in the same direction and a lot of this teams hands don't have the gumption to do it. You are what you consistently do.

This. I don't think its necessarily a hard fix either, this is like an addition of 2 bodies kind of thing.

It's not a coincidence that Tampa finally got over the hump once they stopped ignoring this. Some people scoff at the thought of trading Strome and/or Buch for players with a different skill set who don't provide the same offensive output. We're really going to live or die by the younger players making up/exceeding the difference there.

I do think we've seen glimpses of them playing a more grindy game inside the hashes though with this group. I thought that the Rangers did a better job of playing a greasy game than the Isles did during both of their games last week. They followed it up with a super soft effort in NJ, but its been there.

 

[Fitzy]

Some players are gonna get bridged. They aren't going to give every RFA 5+ years.

Lindgren should be bridged. Depending on how Lafreniere and Kakko are producing coming out of their ELC's that's a debate. Chytil, sure long term if it's reasonable given the center situation.

The only guy I'm 100% all in on an 8 year is Fox. I'm concerned about Shesty's versatility but we're gonna have to make that decision sooner than is ideal.

 

[leetch99]

After this season is it realistic that we can win 2 Cups in the next 5-6 seasons without adding an Eichel ? That gives us 6 good years of Mika and takes him to 34 with 1-2 years left on his latest deal[8x8 ?] . If we have two Cups...I don't give a rat's ass about the last two years of Mika !!!!!

If we can accomplish the 2 Cups in 6....I can live with that . We could sign Chytil [who has a couple of more years to grow in many ways] and upgrade him at some point if need be if the team figures we need a better #2 guy . Strome next season likely should be traded for a younger C with potential for moving up at some point down the road .

I'm not concerned about 4C...they are always available . Maybe Barron projects as a #3 replacement or else obtain one by a decent UFA signing or via trade . Those Dmen prospect chips are invaluable . Future draft choices not valued as much but still will be needed down the road in 4-5 years time when we will need a couple of cheap ELC deals to work into our roster .

That is how I would run the club for the next few seasons.....mind you tweaking is always unplanned and unexpected and sometimes needed.....and sometimes good things happen and a player of two appears out of nowhere for us ......LOL...I'm glad I am not a GM !

 

[EdJovanovski]

Krav came into the NHL and looks solid as a winger at 21 years old. No idea why you'd want him to switch positions when he's never played a substantial amount of games at C.

Keep him on the winger track. I honestly cannot remember the last team who potentially looked this lethal on the wings. Ever.

Because it's the most important position in hockey and our greatest weakness, he also plays so much like a center. Half the time he's back before 1 of the dmen, and he's pretty much always back before the center. He's an excellent skater, which is the biggest knock against our other high end wingers. Players do convert, Hell, Messier started as a winger. Pettersson started as a winger as well and he's always the player I thought Kravtsov reminded me of

 

[leetch99]

First, would Zibanejad be interested in signing an extension at a discount after a down year with another year on his current contract? I know I wouldn't be if I were in his situation.

Second, given the state of the team and Zibanejad's age, the question remains: is a 31-33 year old Zibanejad a 1C on a Cup contender? A big reason why Eichel is intriguing for many of us is that his prime years line up with what we expect to be this team's time to contend.

Zibs would be 33 after 5 years of his new deal. I think he would be pretty decent until around then ....gives us the next 6 years to accomplish something and after 3....we would likely know whether we could or not and make the change if needed with Troubs and Kreider being movable by then ?

 

[SA16]

Lock Shesty in at 50 over 8 (6.25)

Lock Chytil in at 26 over 6 (4.33)

Lock in Buch at 36 over 6 (6.0)

Lock in Lindgren at 22 over 5 (4.4)

Stop giving out NTC's like a doctor handing out scripts for oxy

I will pass on every single one of those deals except probably Chytil. I'd also rather give out NTCs to lower the cap hits.

 

[Rongomania]

Because it's the most important position in hockey and our greatest weakness, he also plays so much like a center. Half the time he's back before 1 of the dmen, and he's pretty much always back before the center. He's an excellent skater, which is the biggest knock against our other high end wingers. Players do convert, Hell, Messier started as a winger. Pettersson started as a winger as well and he's always the player I thought Kravtsov reminded me of

I clearly understand our wants and needs. Just think we can do it without converting Krav. We have more than enough pieces to get a solid C to pair with Fil if Zibs isn't an option.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I clearly understand our wants and needs. Just think we can do it without converting Krav. We have more than enough pieces to get a solid C to pair with Fil if Zibs isn't an option.

I think we should at least try Krav at C for a few games before making some giant move
What is there to lose?