Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[cheech70]

I agree that Chytil's lack of vision is overblown on this board. If you look at his assists on the recent goals by Panarin and Buchnevich, you can see the skills are there. But those plays don't seem to work with Kakko and Lafreniere for whatever reason.

But I also think that the narrative that Chytil is upset or frustrated by his lack of ice time is overblown. Chytil was asked about his ice time by a reporter and he gave the standard, diplomatic answer of "Well, I can only get on the ice when the coach says to and I try to make the most of that time.", and this board twisted his statement into something it was not. Chytil is a young player behind two veterans. He knows what the situation is.

Filip is a Bull in a china closet( can u still say that)...once he realizes that he has a bit more time than currently he will flourish.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

imo, it's try it with Zibs or trade Zibs + for Eichel.

As for their durability, it's a wash. Zibs was injured slightly more than Eichel even.

Personally the only argument I'm willing to hear is age. Y'all got that one.

A Zibanejad contract gets us right into the danger zone and we all know there will be a NMC with the Zibs contract, we don't hand out other contracts.

Zib isn't a piece for an Eichel trade. Despite having a NMC. He only has one year left on his contract.

If Zib is getting traded he is getting traded to a contender for prospects.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Zib isn't a piece for an Eichel trade. Despite having a NMC. He only has one year left on his contract.

If Zib is getting traded he is getting traded to a contender for prospects.

My bad, I always thought he's got a regular contract.

Ah well, he can't be traded either then, unless he waives the NMC.

 

[Peltz]

I understand Eichel IS different from those players in the past, but I have heard that argument a lot. Nash is different, Gaborik is different, Richards is different, Drury is different, etc. All amounted to just a bunch of dead cap space and no cup. Haha

I guess what I'm saying is unless the deal is a crazy steal for the Rangers, I just wouldn't give up yet on the players we have currently.

Panarin is different though.

 

[Kodiak]

Yup.

And as regards not quite working with Kakko and Lafrenière, I think that has more to do with them than him. They're not quite there yet in their development – but you can see them getting closer and closer with every passing game.

I see that too. They are certainly better than they were as far as using their linemates, and Kakko seems to have helped with that. The learning curve might be a bit longer because they are so young.

 

[Kodiak]

Filip is a Bull in a china closet( can u still say that)...once he realizes that he has a bit more time than currently he will flourish.

Just like a young Mika Zibanejad

 

[DanielBrassard]

My bad, I always thought he's got a regular contract.

Ah well, he can't be traded either then, unless he waives the NMC.

If the Rangers are trading him to a team like Vegas or Colorado I don't think it's that unlikely he would waive his NMC.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I honestly don't see a scenario where Eichel joins this team without Kreider, Trouba or Zibanejad going elsewhere either in that deal or in a different one.

Looking at possible destinations for Kreider (Yeah, I know. NMC. Let's just entertain the thought he'd waive for the right team). Let's look at tax-havens.

- Vegas Golden Knights in 2023: Pacioretty coming off his current contract at age 34. Vegas could be enticed to go after Kreider as a replacement and it would be a good fit for Kreider.

- Dallas Stars in 2022: Similarly to Vegas, Dallas has a player on his way out but a year earlier: Joe Pavelski, who will turn 38 next year. UFA in 2022, Pavelski is not the guy they would look for to help them through their window. Kreider brings something they lose with Pavelski leaving. Kreider and Pavelski are 1 and 2 in goals off deflections. Lethal on the PP when used right.

- Florida Panthers in 2023: Hornqvist will be 36, UFA in 2023. Again, seems like a fit financially and positionally.

- Tampa Bay Lighting in 2023: Replacing Alex Killorn, Kreider only makes 2m more than Killorn. For a team that has Vasilevsky, Hedman and McDonagh on the payroll long-term, Kreider gives them a legit shot at squeezing another cup out of their window that is destined to close right around the time Kreider's contract expires, 4 years later.

Long-shot:
- Nashville Predators has a lot of contracts expiring in 2022. Would Kreider, with 4 more years at that stage, be a target for them to build around?

I don't think Kreider is jumping for joy to waive his NMC but out of the 3, Kreider seems to be the most logical option to pursue trading. Trouba still has a role to play on this team, and trading away Zibanejad to accomodate Eichel is a lateral move.

Name Trouba captain, thereby insulting Kreider. Then get him to waive to Bahston as they retool.

 

[Ola]

If you believe that the players “fled” Quinn and are now running the show, it’s time to put the crack pipe down, turn the spaceship around and rejoin the rest of us here on planet Earth.

I also note that you rather conveniently ignore the fact that the offensive upswing was already happening before the coaching staff got COVID. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a perfectly good fantasy narrative.

It wasn’t long ago DQ sat in front of a podium and said “I would actually like to see us get back to that style”.

That was before he got Covid. Now I don’t think anyone would consider it. What is your comment on that?

 

[kovazub94]

That is the equation I would look at:

Zib + assests to pay for Eichel

vs

Eichel + assets acquired dealing Zib

I think that is the choice Brass is facing.

The third option is to deal Zib and get someone else as a 1/2 center through trade, UFA, buyout or whatever. And not acquire Eichel. This would be the path I myself would mostly like at this point, but things can of course change.

Also, eventually upgrading Strome as 2C would not hurt then - specially if we go the Eichel route. A more physical, 2-way center would be very welcome to this team full of talented offensive power, especially on the wings, but maybe not entirely designed for SC playoff hockey.

I’m with you - leaning toward option 3 as well.

 

[cheech70]

We are in the drivers seat. Boatload of premium assets. Lets play 100 games or so then lets get the gunslinger Center.

 

[True Blue]

It wasn’t long ago DQ sat in front of a podium and said “I would actually like to see us get back to that style”.

That was before he got Covid. Now I don’t think anyone would consider it. What is your comment on that?

Are you friggin’ serious? Who cares what is said in Zoom interviews? They give NOTHING away.

But ok. You go on thinking that it’s the players who are running the show, if that helps you feel better about yourself or the teams. Yeah. Aside from the cowboys and Barry Switzer, this does not happen. But yeah, Quinn is in the back ground and the players are running the show.

Actually, since that is the case, you need to stop bitching and moaning about every move or personnel decision that you do not like as Quinn is not in charge and the players are. Therein lies the logic.

 

[haohmaru]

Brendan Lemieux, in his fresh start with the LA Kings, is averaging 9:13 ATOI per game. He averaged 10:13 ATOI with the Rangers this season.

On the bright side, however, he hasn't gotten a single penalty yet.

 

[haohmaru]

Name Trouba captain, thereby insulting Kreider. Then get him to waive to Bahston as they retool.

I'd name Trouba captain over Kreider all day long.

 

[kovazub94]

Kaliyev. Wonderful. We can have endless debates about him being Uzbek like like Georgiev being Bulgarian.

LMAO. Hes from Staten Island.

But he was born in Tashkent, so he's Uzbek

I should be an authority on this one.

I was born in Tashkent, reside on Staten Island and I promise you I'm not (nor consider myself) Uzbek.



/s

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was born in Tashkent, reside on Staten Island and I promise you I'm not (nor consider myself) Uzbek.

Yeah, Uzbekistan doesn't allow dual-citizenship, unlike Bulgaria so that makes it a fun debate once Kaliyev is a Ranger

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'd name Trouba captain over Kreider all day long.

All joking aside, Trouba seems to be a main leader in the room and I wouldn't be surprised if he did become captain.

 

[leetch99]

All joking aside, Trouba seems to be a main leader in the room and I wouldn't be surprised if he did become captain.

Lindgren would be my first choice...but I certainly could live with Trouba .

 

[EdJovanovski]

If Tuba became captain I would legitimately reconsider my allegiance to the Rangers.

 

[RGY]

If Tuba became captain I would legitimately reconsider my allegiance to the Rangers.

This is absurd

 

[Savant]

If Tuba became captain I would legitimately reconsider my allegiance to the Rangers.

Bye Felicia

 

[EdJovanovski]

This is absurd

May be slightly hyperbolic, but his contract is among the very worst in the league and he was without a doubt the biggest misstep of our rebuild. I would lose all faith in our organization if he were to be named captain. We should be doing everything within our power to force him to waive to Florida or something eventually, not naming him the frigging captain of our team

 

[EdJovanovski]

Bye Felicia

Great argument

 

[EpicDing]

May be slightly hyperbolic, but his contract is among the very worst in the league and he was without a doubt the biggest misstep of our rebuild. I would lose all faith in our organization if he were to be named captain. We should be doing everything within our power to force him to waive to Florida or something eventually, not naming him the frigging captain of our team

He's overpaid by like $1.5mil tops

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If Tuba became captain I would legitimately reconsider my allegiance to the Rangers.