Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Leetch3]

That is the equation I would look at:

Zib + assests to pay for Eichel

vs

Eichel + assets acquired dealing Zib

I think that is the choice Brass is facing.

The third option is to deal Zib and get someone else as a 1/2 center through trade, UFA, buyout or whatever. And not acquire Eichel. This would be the path I myself would mostly like at this point, but things can of course change.

Also, eventually upgrading Strome as 2C would not hurt then - specially if we go the Eichel route. A more physical, 2-way center would be very welcome to this team full of talented offensive power, especially on the wings, but maybe not entirely designed for SC playoff hockey.

the other part of the equation is their age and the end of their contracts...short term mika vs eichel might be a toss up. but assuming that mika is going to want 6-8 years, then you have to also consider how things might look when he's 35+ still making $8 mil vs eichel approaching mika's age now.

 

[jay from jersey]

I know people are fearful of what the cost would be for a guy like Larkin because of what the Mantha trade was but that trade was honestly a good thing for the Rangers. A late 1st + late 2nd + Cap dump + Good but not great 25 year old for Mantha.

Let’s assume the 1st + Panik was a pure cap dump scenario which is probably about right. Panik has more than just this season left. The Rangers paid a 2nd for Detroit to take on 1 year of Staal.

That leaves Vrana + 2nd for Mantha who has more cost certainty and years of control than Larkin.

You’re probably looking at a very good young player or prospect (say Robertson, Schneider level) + 1st (this pick is likely to be much better than the one the Caps just sent) + young NHL player (say Hajek or Gauthier).

A guy like Larkin would be ideal. Sign him for 5-6 years along with Strome and let Chytil and Barron continue to develop. Trade Zibanejad to recoup some assets.

The level of chemistry between Strome and Panarin is well worth the investment. Having them together for the next 4-5 years would give this team a potent 1A or 1B line for the foreseeable future

I would prefer to go for something along this route as well. If the rangers brass does want Eichel, their best course of action is to try and wait for his NMC kicks in so you can get him for 15-25 cents on the dollar. But I don’t know how much he hates buffalo. I know adams is definitely gun shy in dealing him. But I don’t know how long he waits

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was thinking something like:

Lundqvist for Kupari (Finnish center to play with KK) and Kaliyev (I'm a big fan of guys that play their off wing. No doubt about it, he's a goal scorer and he's a NY'er)

However, I really like that Akil Thomas kid A LOT.

Kaliyev. Wonderful. We can have endless debates about him being Uzbek like like Georgiev being Bulgarian.

 

[ETTER DE]

What will Rangers RFAs get this offseason?
Will Shesterkin take a bridge ala Vasilevskiy? Around 3,5 mill cap?
And the others?

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

This is the perfect time to extend Zibanejad, after a bit of a down year considering the rough start (still trending towards 30-40-70pts over a full season despite that), and people can't wait to get rid of him because his left wing, first-in forechecker has been useless for 3 weeks. (Spoiler alert: that is Laf's spot the moment a new coach gets here next year) Every last champion with sustained success in the last 15 years has had consistency at the C position and here we are talking about how giddy we'd all be to see one of the core leadership guys shipped off for a shiny new toy on a cap-destroying deal. I give up with this video game BS. This is not how you win in the real NHL. Go play Xbox.

 

[kovazub94]

Will it boil down to

Eichel @ 10m/y

or Zibs @ 8m/y

?

Don’t dismiss option C: Neither

 

[Calad]

What will Rangers RFAs get this offseason?
Will Shesterkin take a bridge ala Vasilevskiy? Around 3,5 mill cap?
And the others?

He either goes w/ a Vasilevsky type bridge or a longer term deal like Demko (5x5) or Hellebyuck (6x~6)

Lindgren and Chytil will likely get 2 years around 2.5-3m. Buch prob gets 5-6 years around 6 million, but it might not be from us.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I might be in the minority, but I don't get the Rooney hate. He's been fine for what he is, IMO.

I don't hate him, hes not a detriment, but he is not much more than a warm body out there.

 

[Rongomania]

He either goes w/ a Vasilevsky type bridge or a longer term deal like Demko (5x5) or Hellebyuck (6x~6)

Lindgren and Chytil will likely get 2 years around 2.5-3m. Buch prob gets 5-6 years around 6 million, but it might not be from us.

If they can lock Shesty up at 5 x 6 that deal is going to be such a steal and be so invaluable to the building of this team, especially if there is a dramatic increase of cap in two years when the world seems 'normal'.

 

[rangers1314]

I don't hate him, hes not a detriment, but he is not much more than a warm body out there.

Eh, I dunno. When I think of "warm body" I think of a PDG. Rooney is a good 4th line center. There is value there.

 

[rangers1314]

Just thinking about who/what we may trade in some of our chips for this summer & some teams who may be looking to shed $.

What about Chychrun? Any chance AZ listens on him? Just turned 23, 4 more years at 4.6.

 

[FOD]

I think that it’s fairly likely that Zib won’t be here in a couple of years. He is and will be blamed for all lack of success with management’s way — who obviously think the issues with this team is of the “if only the players did what we say we would do great” caliber.

We completely changed the way we played and it was very obvious that it would torpedo guys like Ziba’s offensive game. It helped our defense but hurt us offensively, like no doubt. I posted this on 17 Feb.
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This was fairly early after the major overhaul of our game, but I made that post because I knew exactly what would happen. I also made several posts on how the management and coaches also had to be held accountable, if they change how we play and take away the fundamentals for offensive players to score, they can’t scape goat the said players when they don’t. Subsequent to that Ziba surprise surprise didn’t score anything for a month. “If only Ziba would have scored, we would have done great” was their message more or less.

I don’t know, the above is probably a crappy description of what I am trying to say. But we have seen this before and knows how it ends. Ziba out and someone else with a bigger name comes in. Maybe this time it will work out great!

Not so sure the Rangers offense is much different than last year. They have scored .10 goals/game less this year. Not sure 8 goals over the course of an entire year will make much of difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Kodiak]

He either goes w/ a Vasilevsky type bridge or a longer term deal like Demko (5x5) or Hellebyuck (6x~6)

Lindgren and Chytil will likely get 2 years around 2.5-3m. Buch prob gets 5-6 years around 6 million, but it might not be from us.

Shesterkin is unrestricted in 2 years, so that makes a bridge deal very risky. I expect to see a deal like Demko or Hellebuyck.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He either goes w/ a Vasilevsky type bridge or a longer term deal like Demko (5x5) or Hellebyuck (6x~6)

Lindgren and Chytil will likely get 2 years around 2.5-3m. Buch prob gets 5-6 years around 6 million, but it might not be from us.

Dude bridging Chytil would be such typical Rangers bullshit

would personally be upset if we don’t sign him long term

 

[Kodiak]

This is the perfect time to extend Zibanejad, after a bit of a down year considering the rough start (still trending towards 30-40-70pts over a full season despite that), and people can't wait to get rid of him because his left wing, first-in forechecker has been useless for 3 weeks. (Spoiler alert: that is Laf's spot the moment a new coach gets here next year) Every last champion with sustained success in the last 15 years has had consistency at the C position and here we are talking about how giddy we'd all be to see one of the core leadership guys shipped off for a shiny new toy on a cap-destroying deal. I give up with this video game BS. This is not how you win in the real NHL. Go play Xbox.

First, would Zibanejad be interested in signing an extension at a discount after a down year with another year on his current contract? I know I wouldn't be if I were in his situation.

Second, given the state of the team and Zibanejad's age, the question remains: is a 31-33 year old Zibanejad a 1C on a Cup contender? A big reason why Eichel is intriguing for many of us is that his prime years line up with what we expect to be this team's time to contend.

 

[Calad]

Just thinking about who/what we may trade in some of our chips for this summer & some teams who may be looking to shed $.

What about Chychrun? Any chance AZ listens on him? Just turned 23, 4 more years at 4.6.

No chance. He's a stud and their best dman on a sweetheart deal. OEL is likely being moved to boston (he almost was last off season)

 

[Siddi]

Buffalo just traded away Taylor f***ing hall for peanuts

obviously eichel is the better of the two but 2 first round picks, Robertson, strome, and another prospect could entice Buffalo. The guy doesn’t want to be there anymore

Taylor Hall sucks.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Taylor Hall sucks.

And he basically forced his way to Boston with a NTC, apparently the Islanders offered much more than Boston but Hall said f*** off and they went with Zajac/Palmieri

Eichel doesn’t have a trade clause

 

[Calad]

If they can lock Shesty up at 5 x 6 that deal is going to be such a steal and be so invaluable to the building of this team, especially if there is a dramatic increase of cap in two years when the world seems 'normal'.

Yeah a 5-6 year deal would be a boon for them

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I know people are fearful of what the cost would be for a guy like Larkin because of what the Mantha trade was but that trade was honestly a good thing for the Rangers. A late 1st + late 2nd + Cap dump + Good but not great 25 year old for Mantha.

Let’s assume the 1st + Panik was a pure cap dump scenario which is probably about right. Panik has more than just this season left. The Rangers paid a 2nd for Detroit to take on 1 year of Staal.

That leaves Vrana + 2nd for Mantha who has more cost certainty and years of control than Larkin.

You’re probably looking at a very good young player or prospect (say Robertson, Schneider level) + 1st (this pick is likely to be much better than the one the Caps just sent) + young NHL player (say Hajek or Gauthier).

A guy like Larkin would be ideal. Sign him for 5-6 years along with Strome and let Chytil and Barron continue to develop. Trade Zibanejad to recoup some assets.

The level of chemistry between Strome and Panarin is well worth the investment. Having them together for the next 4-5 years would give this team a potent 1A or 1B line for the foreseeable future

I don't think Yzerman will be looking to take back a player he traded to us

 

[Calad]

And he basically forced his way to Boston with a NTC, apparently the Islanders offered much more than Boston but Hall said f*** off and they went with Zajac/Palmieri

Eichel doesn’t have a trade clause

From what I heard on 31 thoughts, islanders offered around the same package they did for Palmeri but Buffalo was trying to sit on it for a few more days to get more value, Hall was willing to waive then but Lou wanted a deal done right away so they moved on the NJ.

 

[GAGLine]

What will Rangers RFAs get this offseason?
Will Shesterkin take a bridge ala Vasilevskiy? Around 3,5 mill cap?
And the others?

Demko is the best comparable for Shesty, IMO. He won't get a 2 year deal because that will take him right to UFA status, and I think a 1 year deal is unlikely. Demko signed that deal after playing 66 games in the NHL. Shesty has only played 37. He'll probably get at least 10 of the final 14. If we make the playoffs, he'll get more. So I don't expect him to get more than 5 mil per year. The term will be at least 4 years, I think, though I'd prefer 5 or 6.

Just thinking about who/what we may trade in some of our chips for this summer & some teams who may be looking to shed $.

What about Chychrun? Any chance AZ listens on him? Just turned 23, 4 more years at 4.6.

I don't see any reason to spend assets on Chychrun. Good player, but why do we need him?

Dude bridging Chytil would be such typical Rangers bullshit

would personally be upset if we don’t sign him long term

The problem is, what does a long term deal look like for Chytil? He hasn't earned a big payday yet. He isn't getting 5+ mil per year. On a 2-3 year deal, he's likely to get somewhere between 2 and 3 mil. If we offered him 3.5 x 5 or 4 x 5/6, would he take it? I'm not sure he would. If we can get him at a low cost for a lot of years, I'm all for it, but his agent would probably advise against it. He can sign a 2 year deal and potentially get a lot more on his next contract.

 

[Calad]

Shesterkin is unrestricted in 2 years, so that makes a bridge deal very risky. I expect to see a deal like Demko or Hellebuyck.

I presume thats because he'll be 27 in that offseason? Cause he would only have 4 years pro experience.

If they could give Igor a 6 year deal then somehow get Wallstedt in this draft that would be

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I have long been fans of a bunch of the key, "older" players on this team we've watched develop over the last few years. In particular, I was bullish on Buch as a prospect from his draft day and was, I think, by far the most enthusiastic about dealing Brassard for Zibanejad (plus a 2nd!) on the day it happened. And on top of that I have long been intrigued by Eichel; the idea of a young, top-5 (at least in terms of raw talent) center to pair with the group we've assembled is enticing to say the least. BUT...

...the more I watch these kids play, and then think about roster construction, pay raises, existing NMC clauses, and the impact of the flat cap...

...the more I am coming to a position where I actually say, f*ck it, trade all of Mika, Buch, and Strome, and load up on young centers from other teams in their window now.

Colorado falls short again? Vegas loses in another heartbreaker? St. Louis continues to underperform? Edmonton wastes another year of McDavid's prime? Boy, wouldn't it help to have one of those top-notch forwards – especially since one is an RFA, and the other two have another year left at extremely affordable rates? Make me your best offer of a package that begins with Newhook, Glass, Thomas, or Holloway. Step right up, the bidding starts now.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Now, obviously that's just one solution. And it does likely push the "window" back a year. Perhaps you can get Mika to take a discount to stay. Perhaps Eichel won't cost as much as we think. Maybe you can find a Larkin or some other option that is perceived as a step down from Eichel and juuust manage to make everything fit. I'm always open to options, depending on cost and context.

But as I say, given the current state of the market, and the more I watch the kids play... maybe we make them the core now, today, and keep only the three vets already on long-term deals (at least until their NMCs expire).