Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[Oscar Lindberg]

I have no idea what a potential Zibanejad trade would bring back

He’s got one more year until he can pick his spot, I doubt he would sign an extension prior

And he’s not as good as someone like Karlsson who brought back a boatload. Maybe a return similar to what Hall got traded for? Feel like it’s probably not worth it

 

[Grumpy Vigneault]

I'm convinced there's no way an Eichel trades comes off without one of Zibanejad, Kakko, or Lafreniere being involved. But stranger things have happened when a situation becomes untenable, and Eichel/Buffalo are headed there.

With money being a problem for all teams during covid times, who knows how many teams are willing to trade for such a big contract. When there's not much demand for him, who knows what might happen.

 

[NYR Viper]

Gauthier was taking line rushes at 3RW yesterday with Chytil and Rooney. Brodzinski is most likely the scratch.

Instead of getting mad for no reason, just take the one extra minute to do the research people.

I wasn't upset? It was tongue in cheek based on past decisions

 

[LokiDog]

Your point comes off as extra ridiculous considering there is not 12 NHL-ready forwards nor 6 NHL caliber defensemen on the active roster even when it's healthy/at full strength.
I assume this crybaby attitude is tied to DeAngelo, who is an asshole and better away from the team at this point.

Absolutely nothing to do with ADA. It’s simply based off of Quinn’s player usage and quotes about intentions and obvious preference for grinders who play hard in practice but are marginal NHL players, since his first day behind the bench. My post wasn’t referring to this season alone but Quinn’s tenure of questionable player usage and roster decisions.

It’s stuff like over-using Howden since his first day here (even though Howden has been better this year), or keeping Bitetto around rather than giving Ruenanen a look when only one of the two has an NHL future. Keeping Brodzinski in the lineup would be something that could only be attributed to Quinn liking his attitude and work ethic in practice because he’s the clear worst player on the roster.

Even among the non-NHL caliber players, there’s a hierarchy. Lemieux is an established, if mediocre, 4th line NHLer. Gauthier is a young player who is up and down but shows flashes and still has a decent shot of having an NHL career. Blackwell has been our best of the fringe NHLers. Rooney/PDG both have been solid and chipped in here and there. Brodzinski is a 15th forward type.

Now I get that my reaction based on a report (from a page I trust, which has accurate, plugged in insights every day, so I took it on its face) is based on an IF scenario, so I readily admit that. But IF there’s any uncertainty over which player comes out of the lineup, it isn’t based on anything but intentions and being a Quinn type of guy, because Brodzinski coming out is a 100/100 times obvious decision if you’re not trying to be the cleverest guy in the room.

 

[Trxjw]

I'd land Eichel and then go shopping with Zibanejad as bait for the young Bergeron/Toews type.

I would expect that would be the plan if the Rangers landed Eichel. Recoup some of what we lost and/or see if we can get a similar package to how we got Zib in the first place.

 

[Mac n Gs]

That is my research. I’m not the one creating that content. I’m not just deciding to speculate based on my own feelings. That’s a page I follow that provides me with (96% accurate) daily updates. They have quotes from Quinn and other news every single day. I have a job and a life; these sources that have proven to be plugged in and provide accurate updates and insights everyday are my research. I didn’t manifest that myself. Therefore, I read that and assume that is based off an answer Quinn gave and that a decision hasn’t been made yet. My point was simply that there should not BE any decision to make. Deciding who comes out for Chytil should be the simplest, most cut and dry decision of the year so far.

Ok, I have a job and life too? We have a very good beat writer in Vince Mercagliano that’s on top of this stuff consistently, and it’s not hard to just go quickly scan his twitter feed, especially since most of what was in your post was loosely transcribed from him anyways.

I wasn't upset? It was tongue in cheek based on past decisions

Viper, you’re way too upset and need to calm down. Maybe go take a walk and enjoy the fresh air

 

[leetch99]

Strome, Buch, Lundkvist and a 1st is fair offer imo; salary offset is somewhat close.

Only reason we offer Lundkvist, is because of Schneider. He fits the mold JD is looking for.

Kravtsov replaces Buch.
Eichel replaces Strome.

We lose a 1st rounder and possible another 'B level prospect'

Throw in TDA... for a swap of #1's in the year after this draft...we retain half on Tony ....worth the risk !

 

[duhmetreE]

I just did a quick glance through.... who would trade for Zibs? as in, Who's trading for Zibs and has a youngC to offer? there's no one.

We might be stuck with him, unless it's a sign-and-trade for a player like Eichel, who is 'forcing' his way out.

I am still hoping for an Oilers collapse... McDavid in Rangers blue and in a bigger market would be a dream.

 

[LokiDog]

Ok, I have a job and life too? We have a very good beat writer in Vince Mercagliano that’s on top of this stuff consistently, and it’s not hard to just go quickly scan his twitter feed, especially since most of what was in your post was loosely transcribed from him anyways.



Viper, you’re way too upset and need to calm down. Maybe go take a walk and enjoy the fresh air

I’m not a Twitter user. I am also aware that Vince is very good and that most of what the accounts I do follow share is often from him, which is one of the reasons I trust it and don’t feel the need to fact check it. That was my only point about a job and a life. I already follow stuff that I’ve vetted over the years and has been reliable and accurate for me. That’s the level of research I have time for, not to go and double check what one source posts against other sources.

It’s typically accurate or directly from a Quinn interview 99% of the time. I didn’t mean to be abrasive with the life and job comments. I was just trying to say it’s just a reaction to something from a source I have found to be reliable over several years, and that I considered that to be research. I apologize that what I was reacting to was maybe a few hours outdated and that I don’t follow every account on every platform out there. My point was just that it’s not me making up my own news or something. It’s just a reaction to report. I’m not typically running around posting hearsay or being a jackass. I saw that post from a page I trust for info, and I reacted to it because, IF that were the case it would be pretty mind boggling for me.

I love all of you guys on here. I’m not here trying to pick fights or argue. I just reacted to what I saw.

 

[MetalJaws]

A lot of guys here mention Barkov as a target. Where has that ever been said by people in the know? Florida would be nuts to not lock him up long term. This is all BS right?

 

[leetch99]

If I had to guess, management would replace Lindgren with Robertson eventually. On depth chart and eventually off the roster.

Lindgren is a good player. I just don't think he's the 'end-game' top4.

Right Side is filled with Trouba and Fox for the foreseeable future.

Once again, this is just speculation, but based on what JD has been saying, Robertson and Schnedier are 1st choices for the big club. Big and mobile defenseman. Lundkvist is a great talent and our best prospect but we already have Fox and Trouba locked in.

LOL...Fox has been penciled in.....never ever has he been locked since drafted as he has shown .....don't expect him to cave now...he will want as much as he can get .

 

[RangersFan1994]

I just did a quick glance through.... who would trade for Zibs? as in, Who's trading for Zibs and has a youngC to offer? there's no one.

We might be stuck with him, unless it's a sign-and-trade for a player like Eichel, who is 'forcing' his way out.

I am still hoping for an Oilers collapse... McDavid in Rangers blue and in a bigger market would be a dream.

you have a better chance of DeAngelo plays another game for the Rangers

 

[BBKers]

GOING FULL Pejorative Slur

TRADE 1

1. Bennett, Sam [RFA Rights]
2. 2021 7th round pick (CGY)

FROM CGY TO NYR FOR:

1. Hájek, Libor
2. Howden, Brett

TRADE 2

1. MacEwen, Zack
2. Virtanen, Jake

FROM VAN TO NYR FOR:

1. Gauthier, Julien
2. Henriksson, Karl
3. 2021 4th round pick (OTT)

TRADE 3

1. Glass, Cody
2. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD or VGK)

FROM VGK TO NYR:

1. Zibanejad, Mika ($2,350,000 retained)

TRADE 4

1. Eichel, Jack
2. 2021 7th round pick (BUF)

FROM BUF TO NYR FOR:

1. Buchnevich, Pavel
2. Chytil, Filip
3. Jones, Zachary [Reserve List]
4. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
5. 2021 1st round pick (NYR - TOP 5 protected)

OFFSEASON STUFF

• Buyout ADA
• Resign Shesty, Lindgren and Bennett to reasonable bridge deals
• Seattle takes Blackbeard in the draft.
• Look for a VET stopgap #5/#6 LD that can play defense

Go to war with:

LAF - Eichel - Kakko
Bread - Strome/Glass - Kravtsov
Kreider - Glass/Strome - Virtanen
Lemmy - Bennett - MacEwem (use him against the "right teams")
Spares: Rooney, Barron

Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Reuanen/Robertsson/VET - Nils/Schneider

Czar
Bulgarian pitbull

LOTS OF CAP SPACE...

 

[RangersFan1994]

A lot of guys here mention Barkov as a target. Where has that ever been said by people in the know? Florida would be nuts to not lock him up long term. This is all BS right?

I would prefer Barkov over Eichel.

 

[rangers1314]

A lot of guys here mention Barkov as a target. Where has that ever been said by people in the know? Florida would be nuts to not lock him up long term. This is all BS right?

Thats what we do here.

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah I'm not doubting there are guys out there that would fill the need, just a matter of if they can actually be had and if their cost, relative to the cost for Eichel, is worth it.

I do think there needs to be a plan for 1C beyond Zibanejad, however. I'm a huge fan of Zib's but it's getting harder for me to come to terms with paying like a 1C at 29 years old. I also don't think the draft is really the answer anymore, given the risk of missing on another pick and the time it takes for young players to really get up to speed...Zacha and Eriksson-Ek being prime examples.

All of this leads back to your original question though...how necessary is a legitimate top-tier 1C like Eichel?

I mean if you can find that kind of player while keeping guys like Lundkvist, Chytil, and Kravtsov, it's potentially a big win not only in terms of talent but also in financial flexibility. We're going to need those ELC players more than ever as our blue chippers start to need bigger contracts. So that is one of the reasons I'm a little gun shy about an Eichel deal.

Wholeheartedly agree about Zibanejad. His age combined with his injury history and battle with consistency have me worried about handing out what I expect him to ask for. I don't doubt the talent when he's on but can you give $9m+ to a guy who isn't "on" all the time? That's a tough pill to swallow. Now, if he took a discount to stay here that might make things different. $8.5 per for 5 years? I could maybe live with that but it's not often you see NHLers leaving money on the table. Then again with a flat cap will that big pay day be awaiting him as a free agent? It's a gamble for everyone.

I think the key with those young guys like Zacha and JEE is to time it correctly. You look at Boston who gave up a middling scoring winger in Heinen and got a guy in Ritchie who was viewed as a flop but is now finally turning the corner into a top-six power forward. It's early but it sure looks like they made the right trade at exactly the right time and are gearing up to reap the rewards. Jack Roslovic was the spare part in a big player swap and he's been fantastic for the Jackets. So the key for the Rangers is to hit that perfect window. So if I'm Gorton I have my guys pouring over our lists from the 14/15/16 draft classes looking for opportunity. Which guy that you loved in 2016 is crushing their minutes but not seeing the production? Which guy is stuck behind a ton of depth at his position? Which guy is on a coaches shit list for no good reason? Find me that dude and I will make the calls to try and get him cheap.

Tyson Jost is a guy who has struggled badly with the Avs. Maybe he's a super cheap option. Logan Brown with the Sens has great size, vision, and can play in traffic but hasn't been able to stick in the NHL. Maybe the Sens see an opportunity to address another position of need now that they have some guys taking off up front?

Overall I tend to lean towards trying to find the right compliments down the middle as opposed to chasing the big name, but I'm conservative like that. I think Gorton might be after the big fish but at the same time if he does that we're still going to need those guys to backfill behind Eichel. So it's not necessarily one or the other in the grand scheme of things.

 

[SRHRangers]

GOING FULL Pejorative Slur

TRADE 1

1. Bennett, Sam [RFA Rights]
2. 2021 7th round pick (CGY)

FROM CGY TO NYR FOR:

1. Hájek, Libor
2. Howden, Brett

TRADE 2

1. MacEwen, Zack
2. Virtanen, Jake

FROM VAN TO NYR FOR:

1. Gauthier, Julien
2. Henriksson, Karl
3. 2021 4th round pick (OTT)

TRADE 3

1. Glass, Cody
2. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD or VGK)

FROM VGK TO NYR:

1. Zibanejad, Mika ($2,350,000 retained)

TRADE 4

1. Eichel, Jack
2. 2021 7th round pick (BUF)

FROM BUF TO NYR FOR:

1. Buchnevich, Pavel
2. Chytil, Filip
3. Jones, Zachary [Reserve List]
4. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
5. 2021 1st round pick (NYR - TOP 5 protected)

OFFSEASON STUFF
Buyout ADA
Resign Shesty, Lindgren and Bennet to reasonable bridge deals
Seattle takes Blackbeard in the draft.
Look for a VET stopgap #5/#6 LD that can play defense
Go to war with:

LAF - Eichel - Kakko
Bread - Strome/Glass - Kravtsov
Kreider - Glass/Strome - Virtanen
Lemmy - Bennett - MacEwem
Spares: Rooney, Barron

Miller - Trouba
Lindgren -Fox
Reuanen/Robertsson/VET - Nils/Schneider

Czar
Bulgarian pitbull

LOTS OF CAP SPACE...

The Vegas deal makes sense. I would just want to get Krebs out of that deal.

 

[Chytilmania]

CHYTILMANIA

WHATCHA GONNA DOOOO BROTHER?

 

[True Blue]

Strome, Buch, Lundkvist and a 1st is fair offer imo; salary offset is somewhat close. '

Subtract Strome and insert Chytil and that will get it done. I doubt that Buffalo accepts Strome instead.

One can also play with Robertson vs. Lundkvist

 

[Uncle Sid]

Yea you want to send Laf or Kakko instead? Cause I sure don't. But Buffalo would be insnae not to demand one of those 2 if they are sending him to us.

Im certainly not saying that I would prefer to include one of those two in a trade for Eichel. I simply do not like the idea of trading Chytil when center depth is already an issue. I should also mention that I don’t see Mika being on this team into his 30’s.

 

[Nickmo82]

TRADE 4

1. Eichel, Jack
2. 2021 7th round pick (BUF)

FROM BUF TO NYR FOR:

1. Buchnevich, Pavel
2. Chytil, Filip
3. Jones, Zachary [Reserve List]
4. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
5. 2021 1st round pick (NYR - TOP 5 protected)

I'm no expert, but that's awfully light. I'd assume that if you called them up and said we're offering a couple of B grade players and our first, but it's top 5 protected, you won't be on the phone too much longer.

 

[Tob]

GOING FULL Pejorative Slur

TRADE 1

1. Bennett, Sam [RFA Rights]
2. 2021 7th round pick (CGY)

FROM CGY TO NYR FOR:

1. Hájek, Libor
2. Howden, Brett

TRADE 2

1. MacEwen, Zack
2. Virtanen, Jake

FROM VAN TO NYR FOR:

1. Gauthier, Julien
2. Henriksson, Karl
3. 2021 4th round pick (OTT)

TRADE 3

1. Glass, Cody
2. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD or VGK)

FROM VGK TO NYR:

1. Zibanejad, Mika ($2,350,000 retained)

TRADE 4

1. Eichel, Jack
2. 2021 7th round pick (BUF)

FROM BUF TO NYR FOR:

1. Buchnevich, Pavel
2. Chytil, Filip
3. Jones, Zachary [Reserve List]
4. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
5. 2021 1st round pick (NYR - TOP 5 protected)

OFFSEASON STUFF

• Buyout ADA
• Resign Shesty, Lindgren and Bennett to reasonable bridge deals
• Seattle takes Blackbeard in the draft.
• Look for a VET stopgap #5/#6 LD that can play defense

Go to war with:

LAF - Eichel - Kakko
Bread - Strome/Glass - Kravtsov
Kreider - Glass/Strome - Virtanen
Lemmy - Bennett - MacEwem (use him against the "right teams")
Spares: Rooney, Barron

Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Reuanen/Robertsson/VET - Nils/Schneider

Czar
Bulgarian pitbull

LOTS OF CAP SPACE...

Going full Bern?

 

[Chytilmania]

The Vegas deal makes sense. I would just want to get Krebs out of that deal.

I think Vegas is the prime option for Zib. They're in a position to go all in and we can grab their top Center prospect. IDK what their cap is for the future but they may be able to sign him too.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Vegas are major starf***ers and major win now team. They would be a good option for Zib.

 

[True Blue]

Lindgren is a good player. I just don't think he's the 'end-game' top4

But that’s what he has in fact been He and Fox have been taking on the opponents top players. Lindgren went from a throw in prospect to maybe a good third pair guy to a legit top 4 defenseman. The kids been THAT good.