Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

[JimmyG89]

Any of our prospects not named Lafreniere.

Lundkvist+, Schneider+, Kravtsov+, Miller+ pretty much any official team prospect that isn't Lafreniere plus a significant add- except Miller who would be 1 for 1.

I really really like Zegras, but I do not think I would move K'Andre for him at all. He's such a unique talent that I do not think he should be on the table. The others, I would definitely consider.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Buccigross says he would offer Kakko, Chytil, Schneider, a goalie, and a 1st for Eichel and he would pull the trigger in 3 seconds if he were the Rangers

Maybe you can argue the value, but it doesn’t make sense for the NYR. And I highly doubt the bidding get that high.

 

[SRHRangers]

Any of our prospects not named Lafreniere.

Lundkvist+, Schneider+, Kravtsov+, Miller+ pretty much any official team prospect that isn't Lafreniere plus a significant add- except Miller who would be 1 for 1.

I may be the high man on Zegras here.

I give up 2 of those pieces for Zegras. Not just one.

 

[Fitzy]

Maybe you can argue the value, but it doesn’t make sense for the NYR. And I highly doubt the bidding get that high.

That'd be an awful trade.

Increasingly think we should just ride Mika, Strome, Chytil down the middle the next two years and reassess in the summer of 2022 when Barkov might be available.

 

[Daves a mess]

Any of our prospects not named Lafreniere.

Lundkvist+, Schneider+, Kravtsov+, Miller+ pretty much any official team prospect that isn't Lafreniere plus a significant add- except Miller who would be 1 for 1.

Well thought out reply. I'm not a proposal d bag. I dont play right or wrong speculation. (unless its Bern lol)
Give me your +'s to these players that you would do.

Would you do KK straight up?

 

[Daves a mess]

I really really like Zegras, but I do not think I would move K'Andre for him at all. He's such a unique talent that I do not think he should be on the table. The others, I would definitely consider.

I would move Miller for Zegras, but I totally get your reason not to.

 

[Fitzy]

Well thought out reply. I'm not a proposal d bag. I dont play right or wrong speculation. (unless its Bern lol)
Give me your +'s to these players that you would do.

Would you do KK straight up?

Probably not. Not because the value isn't right, but because I think NYR can make a fair offer from other prospects rather than Kakko, who I'd like to see be a career ranger along with Lafreniere.

Miller even
Lundkvist+Robertson/Barron/2nd
Schneider+Robertson/Barron/2nd
Kravtsov+2022 1st+3rd

 

[True Blue]

LOL, that’s f***ing awful for us.

There is simply no excuse for hitting the crack pipe that early in the day

 

[Mac n Gs]

It might be unreasonable, and will most likely be a deal breaker, but I don’t include any of Fox, Kakko, Laf, Miller, or Shesterkin in an Eichel trade. I still think we can offer a competitive, fair package in that scenario, and it might be more amenable to Buffalo since it’s an immediate return on NHL talent. We’d need a follow-up move to replenish some of what we lost, and the salary navigation will be tight moving forward, but I’d offer this:

Chytil, Buch, Lundkvist, 2021 unprotected first, and cap filler.

That gives Buffalo 2/3 of a 2nd line, a top RHD prospect, and a draft pick. If it’s the offseason, just send whatever pick we get. It stings for sure, but you’d have a core set up of Eichel, Kakko, Laf, Fox, and Shesty that you go to war with for the next 5 years. We’d still have good pieces in the pipeline that have a lot of potential and can fill important depth roles.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Buccigross says he would offer Kakko, Chytil, Schneider, a goalie, and a 1st for Eichel and he would pull the trigger in 3 seconds if he were the Rangers

He's a bigger moron than EJ.

 

[Fitzy]

I don’t think we are at the point where we should be selling the farm for that “last piece”

we had a game recently where our bottom 4 was Hajek Bitteto Smith and Johnson.

Let’s let our defense get developed before we get rid of all of them.

 

[Daves a mess]

Probably not. Not because the value isn't right, but because I think NYR can make a fair offer from other prospects rather than Kakko, who I'd like to see be a career ranger along with Lafreniere.

Miller even
Lundkvist+Robertson/Barron/2nd
Schneider+Robertson/Barron/2nd
Kravtsov+2022 1st+3rd

Yup yup. I'm in that kind of ball park too. Maybe even a tad more.
Zegras is imo, is the one "prospect" i would get kinda stooopid to acquire. Love the kids game.

 

[Daves a mess]

He's a bigger moron than EJ.

Haha. Exactly.

 

[SRHRangers]

Yup yup. I'm in that kind of ball park too. Maybe even a tad more.
Zegras is imo, is the one "prospect" i would get kinda stooopid to acquire. Love the kids game.

Honestly, if presented, I would be much more excited about the idea of Zegras than Eichel, especially on ELC.

 

[DanielBrassard]

LOL, that’s f***ing awful for us.

How is that awful? It's a lot of value but it's also Jack Eichel you are acquiring. What exactly do you expect it would take to get him?

 

[Fitzy]

How is that awful? It's a lot of value but it's also Jack Eichel you are acquiring. What exactly do you expect it would take to get him?

Eichel is a PPG center on a fair contract.

I wouldn’t trade the 2nd overall, our best young center, plus a whole bunch more for that, no way.

Maybe if we were already deep in the postseason, but not now. He’s not Mcdavid. He isn’t even young Malkin or young Sakic

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How is that awful? It's a lot of value but it's also Jack Eichel you are acquiring. What exactly do you expect it would take to get him?

It's way too much value for a player who wants out of his situation and most teams can't afford with the cap the way it is. Bucci is on the pipe if he thinks thats a fair deal because at the very least, he isn't considering the aforementioned variables and if he is, then he's just an idiot.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Eichel is a PPG center on a fair contract.

I wouldn’t trade the 2nd overall, our best young center, plus a whole bunch more for that, no way.

Maybe if we were already deep in the postseason, but not now. He’s not Mcdavid. He isn’t even young Malkin or young Sakic

He's been better than a PPG for the past 3 years, he's 24, he plays at our weakest position organizationally and he's locked up throughout his prime. It's a lot to give up I would acknowledge that but I don't think it's awful or even particularly unfair. Ideally we would keep Chytil so we have someone behind Eichel for the forseeable future. Thing is we aren't going to be able to keep all of these guys anyway, whether it's by trading for Eichel, or re-signing Zibanejad or signing Barkov or whoever as a UFA. I'd prefer to cash some of those chips in for the youngest and best of the group.

 

[Avery16]

Buccigross says he would offer Kakko, Chytil, Schneider, a goalie, and a 1st for Eichel and he would pull the trigger in 3 seconds if he were the Rangers

Glad we dodged the bullet of Buccigross as GM

 

[Tob]

It might be unreasonable, and will most likely be a deal breaker, but I don’t include any of Fox, Kakko, Laf, Miller, or Shesterkin in an Eichel trade. I still think we can offer a competitive, fair package in that scenario, and it might be more amenable to Buffalo since it’s an immediate return on NHL talent. We’d need a follow-up move to replenish some of what we lost, and the salary navigation will be tight moving forward, but I’d offer this:

Chytil, Buch, Lundkvist, 2021 unprotected first, and cap filler.

That gives Buffalo 2/3 of a 2nd line, a top RHD prospect, and a draft pick. If it’s the offseason, just send whatever pick we get. It stings for sure, but you’d have a core set up of Eichel, Kakko, Laf, Fox, and Shesty that you go to war with for the next 5 years. We’d still have good pieces in the pipeline that have a lot of potential and can fill important depth roles.

Ya, I think the whole "the conversation starts with Kakko or Lafreniere" idea is just a sound bite in the promo of the next episode of Shark Tank. Not many teams in the league have a top prospect available to trade and are willing to trade. We don't need to go there to make it happen. Buffalo can ask but at $10M in a flat cap world, the number of teams with the assets and the need for Eichel aren't that high.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He's been better than a PPG for the past 3 years, he's 24, he plays at our weakest position organizationally and he's locked up throughout his prime. It's a lot to give up I would acknowledge that but I don't think it's awful or even particularly unfair. Ideally we would keep Chytil so we have someone behind Eichel for the forseeable future. Thing is we aren't going to be able to keep all of these guys anyway, whether it's by trading for Eichel, or re-signing Zibanejad or signing Barkov or whoever as a UFA. I'd prefer to cash some of those chips in for the youngest and best of the group.

Kakko. Chytil. Schneider. 1st. Goalie (Geo).

That’s an absurd package. Even for Eichel.

If that’s the cost then you easily pass. No team in the league gives up that much for a player that wants out. It doesn’t make sense for us. It doesn’t work out financially either.

 

[Kords]

I love Zegras, but why would the Rangers trade KK for him? We could of just traded down and drafted him if we valued him over KK

 

[Fitzy]

Frankly, the center we should be trading for (If any) should be 21-22 years old, not 24.

Ask around about Nolan Patrick, Necas, Suzuki, Rob Thomas

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Trade Bait: David Savard among defencemen dominating first board of the season - TSN.ca

DeAngelo third on whatever this thing is. I kind of assumed we were stuck with him after it didn't get done right away.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I love Zegras, but why would the Rangers trade KK for him? We could of just traded down and drafted him if we valued him over KK

I wouldn't trade Kakko for Zegras. I'd trade Lundkvist for him 1-for-1. That's fair value.